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He was right they are nappy headed hoes

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But maybe they don't WANT to be hoes? Maybe they want to be shovels! Or rakes! Or even tractors! EQUAL OPPORTUNITY FOR FARM IMPLEMENTS!

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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

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Originally posted by rue:
I have a question about 'political correctness'.

AFAIK it used to be that conservative white males could denigrate anyone who was not like them with whatever words they chose - faggot, queer, queen, fairy, dyke, cunt, bitch, whore, kike, wop, gook, dego, wet back, nigger, spic, mick, commie, pinko, traitor, and so on.

But when these maligned groups acquired some kick there were $real$ repercussions for using such labels. So the old white farts complained that having to be 'politically correct' was onerous.

Do I have this about right?

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Originally posted by Causal:
Ah, the old white conservative males. The only group left that one can denigrate safely.

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Well, there's something similar with respect to race, gender and sexuality. If you are born white you have a better shot at success than someone born not white. If you are born male you have a better shot at success than someone born female. If you are born heterosexual you have a better shot at success than someone born homosexual. This is not a guarantee, but the probabilities get better and better the more priviliged you are. For a poor African-American lesbian to become successful means a helluva lot more work than for a rich white hetero man.

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But there's also no basis for firing him or ending his show. Firing Imus for racist riffs would be like firing Liberace for flamboyance. It's what he does.

More to the point, Imus should only be fired when the black artists who make millions of dollars rapping about black bitches and hos lose their recording contracts. Black leaders should denounce Imus and boycott him and call for his head only after they do the same for the misogynist artists with whom they have shared stages, magazine covers and awards shows.

The truth is, Imus' remarks mimic those of the original gurus of black female denigration: black men with no class. He is only repeating what he's heard and being honest about the way many men — of all races — judge women.
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Absolutely. Which is why any poor white person who is a racist is fighting the wrong enemy. The people keeping them down are not the poor blacks, it's the rich whites. If you're not a rich white hetero male then you're getting the shaft somewhere along the line. It's the affirmative action that nobody talks about.

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Originally posted by Causal:
Ah, the old white conservative males. The only group left that one can denigrate safely.

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That's what it means to be on the top of the food chain when it comes to institutionalized inequities.

Which do you think rich white male heterosexuals would rather have: nobody denigrating rich white male heterosexuals or rich white male heterosexuals having to operate on the same field as everyone else? Of course, if you've taken for granted all the privileges that come with being a rich white male heterosexual then it makes sense that you would see the denigration as "coming out of the blue". Which is what the whining is about.

I think we can all agree that being born into a wealthy family in America means that you have more opportunity than being born into a poor family. The odds are in your favor and the system is rigged for your benefit. It doesn't mean that you'll be successful. But you have a helluva better shot at it than someone born into abject poverty. That's a pretty easy comparison to see.

Well, there's something similar with respect to race, gender and sexuality. If you are born white you have a better shot at success than someone born not white. If you are born male you have a better shot at success than someone born female. If you are born heterosexual you have a better shot at success than someone born homosexual. This is not a guarantee, but the probabilities get better and better the more priviliged you are. For a poor African-American lesbian to become successful means a helluva lot more work than for a rich white hetero man.

We don't like to talk about this because it cuts against the Horatio Alger myth being open to anyone. But deep down in our hearts I think we get it.

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Originally posted by rue:
Just white conservative males who think everyone else is a faggot, queer, queen, fairy, dyke, cunt, bitch, whore, kike, wop, gook, dego, wet back, nigger, spic, mick, commie, pinko, traitor, and so on. That's what makes them old farts.

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Originally posted by rue:
Causal

"What? My point was that they're the only group left one can safely denigrate."

How much real discrimination have you faced in your life on account of being a white male compared to the rest of us? ....

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Originally posted by ShinyEd:

Why now? Why this? He's said plenty worse.

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How much real discrimination have you faced in your life on account of being a white male compared to the rest of us?

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COMMENTARY
Imus isn’t the real bad guy
Instead of wasting time on irrelevant shock jock, black leaders need to be fighting a growing gangster culture.
By JASON WHITLOCK - Columnist

Thank you, Don Imus. You’ve given us (black people) an excuse to avoid our real problem.

You’ve given Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson another opportunity to pretend that the old fight, which is now the safe and lucrative fight, is still the most important fight in our push for true economic and social equality.

You’ve given Vivian Stringer and Rutgers the chance to hold a nationally televised recruiting celebration expertly disguised as a news conference to respond to your poor attempt at humor.

Thank you, Don Imus. You extended Black History Month to April, and we can once again wallow in victimhood, protest like it’s 1965 and delude ourselves into believing that fixing your hatred is more necessary than eradicating our self-hatred.

The bigots win again.

While we’re fixated on a bad joke cracked by an irrelevant, bad shock jock, I’m sure at least one of the marvelous young women on the Rutgers basketball team is somewhere snapping her fingers to the beat of 50 Cent’s or Snoop Dogg’s or Young Jeezy’s latest ode glorifying nappy-headed pimps and hos.

I ain’t saying Jesse, Al and Vivian are gold-diggas, but they don’t have the heart to mount a legitimate campaign against the real black-folk killas.

It is us. At this time, we are our own worst enemies. We have allowed our youths to buy into a culture (hip hop) that has been perverted, corrupted and overtaken by prison culture. The music, attitude and behavior expressed in this culture is anti-black, anti-education, demeaning, self-destructive, pro-drug dealing and violent.

Rather than confront this heinous enemy from within, we sit back and wait for someone like Imus to have a slip of the tongue and make the mistake of repeating the things we say about ourselves.

It’s embarrassing. Dave Chappelle was offered $50 million to make racially insensitive jokes about black and white people on TV. He was hailed as a genius. Black comedians routinely crack jokes about white and black people, and we all laugh out loud.

I’m no Don Imus apologist. He and his tiny companion Mike Lupica blasted me after I fell out with ESPN. Imus is a hack.

But, in my view, he didn’t do anything outside the norm for shock jocks and comedians. He also offered an apology. That should’ve been the end of this whole affair. Instead, it’s only the beginning. It’s an opportunity for Stringer, Jackson and Sharpton to step on victim platforms and elevate themselves and their agenda$.

I watched the Rutgers news conference and was ashamed.

Martin Luther King Jr. spoke for eight minutes in 1963 at the March on Washington. At the time, black people could be lynched and denied fundamental rights with little thought. With the comments of a talk-show host most of her players had never heard of before last week serving as her excuse, Vivian Stringer rambled on for 30 minutes about the amazing season her team had.

Somehow, we’re supposed to believe that the comments of a man with virtually no connection to the sports world ruined Rutgers’ wonderful season. Had a broadcaster with credibility and a platform in the sports world uttered the words Imus did, I could understand a level of outrage.

But an hourlong press conference over a man who has already apologized, already been suspended and is already insignificant is just plain intellectually dishonest. This is opportunism. This is a distraction.

In the grand scheme, Don Imus is no threat to us in general and no threat to black women in particular. If his words are so powerful and so destructive and must be rebuked so forcefully, then what should we do about the idiot rappers on BET, MTV and every black-owned radio station in the country who use words much more powerful and much more destructive?

I don’t listen or watch Imus’ show regularly. Has he at any point glorified selling crack cocaine to black women? Has he celebrated black men shooting each other randomly? Has he suggested in any way that it’s cool to be a baby-daddy rather than a husband and a parent? Does he tell his listeners that they’re suckers for pursuing education and that they’re selling out their race if they do?

When Imus does any of that, call me and I’ll get upset. Until then, he is what he is — a washed-up shock jock who is very easy to ignore when you’re not looking to be made a victim.

No. We all know where the real battleground is. We know that the gangsta rappers and their followers in the athletic world have far bigger platforms to negatively define us than some old white man with a bad radio show. There’s no money and lots of danger in that battle, so Jesse and Al are going to sit it out.

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But white male non-wealthy heteros are so consumed with their place in the pecking order they don't realize that being on the top of the dung heap is still being on the dung heap.

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Instead of trying to figure out how you can get away with being politically incorrect as a way to feel superior, mebee you should look at the real folk doing you harm - the rich ones sending jobs oversees, busting unions, pitting one against the other and paying everyone only a small fraction of what the work is worth.

Get it now?

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And PLEASE don't make me explain this AGAIN. Twice is enough. Besides, if I have to say this one more time I'll start to think white male heteros really do have something wrong with them.

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Originally posted by ShinyEd:

Why now? Why this? He's said plenty worse.

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There wasn't hysterical political correctness back then, now there is. Also, people back then probably thought that he was just the crazy guy from around the corner, and ignored him. Now because of the US's hysterical "media", /everything/ is a big deal to be blown out of proportion. This being a recent development as well.

Basically, the world used to be relatively calm taking things as they were. Now, in the US, /everything/ has to be dealt with as if someone punched a blind cripple in the face.

Just wait a few days until the next "horror" happens. Then because the US has a collective attention span like a chronically depressed lemming, it'll be like this never happened.

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Originally posted by rue:
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"In all fairness though, many rich people do have to make a lot of decisions that effect the lives of thousands or millions of people."

I remember having $2.50 to my name. Some decisions are just more critical when you have to decide between rent and food.

But as for the rich man's burden - you are so against rules. And yet you not only accept but defend the right of rich people to run your life ??? Do you not see the problem here?

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BTW, 13 year old girls are just a little too young to understand rape and fear.

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To get a real gage, just go out and see how many women walk alone at night v how many men, especially in the kinds of neighborhoods you and I live in (ie not gated with ultra-wealthy folk inside). And of the women walking alone at night, how many are out there b/c they have to be - going to and from a job for example.

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Originally posted by rue:
I'm posting this separately b/c it's just a leetle confused:

"Please do, I find your denigration/discrimination of white, male, conservative, old, wealthy, non-wealthy individuals funny in this particular thread."

You have no fucking clue what you're saying, do you? So you had to put everything in just in case you left something important out.

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Go to downtown Chicago and see how the professional women dress. If they were whisked away and dropped off in the middle of a prison, they would be raped, end of story,...

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The radiothon had raised more than $1.3 million Thursday before Imus learned that he had lost his job. The annual event has raised more than $40 million since 1990.

"This may be our last radiothon, so we need to raise about $100 million," Imus cracked at the start of the event.

Volunteers were getting about 200 more pledges per hour than they did last year, with most callers expressing support for Imus, said phone bank supervisor Tony Gonzalez. The event benefited Tomorrows Children's Fund, the CJ Foundation for SIDS and the Imus Ranch.

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Meanwhile, the Imus radiothon continues. What an evil guy.

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Originally posted by rue:
"non-rich, white, hetrosexual male is unfairly discriminated against in our PC culture"

HOW are they (you) discriminated against? That's what I want to find out. Ever been stopped and handcuffed for driving while white? Have you personally been denied a place in school, job/ advancement, loan, rental, utilities or other item simply b/c you're a white male, or been denied in favor of a minority simply b/c you're not a minority and they are? Do you personally know anyone who's been denied anything for that reason? There's always stories about 'some white guy' who didn't get something b/c of being passed over in favor a ... (fill in the minority). But I've never met any, and I suspect you haven't either.

But if you have, I'd like to hear it.

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Hardware:

Do you have a problem with this?
http://www.usajobs.opm.gov/
2a. Do you claim veterans’ preference?
If yes, mark your claim of 5 or 10 points below.

As to your claim, I'd like to see hard data on that. I don't know of any system that, if they did such a thing, would divulge that information. OTOH I've seen plenty of situations where women blew the men out of the water; though there was a general consensus (among the men) that the only reason she got hired was b/c she had 'big boobs'.

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