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Which Baby has the Most Value...?

POSTED BY: RIVER6213
UPDATED: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 16:01
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Monday, June 4, 2007 5:51 PM

REAVERMAN


Finn has a point, River. I've certainly never seen such a billboard, so I didn't really understand where you were coming from at first. Next time, add a little explanation in the first post.

Mazaen, sorry about blowing up on you like I did. It just irritates the hell out of me when people don't seem to understand what should be plain.

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To the god you say is kind.
I know what's right, and it is time,
It's time to fight, and free our minds!

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To bend like steel forged over fire.
We were not made to bend like reed,
Or to turn the other cheek!"


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Monday, June 4, 2007 5:56 PM

MAZAEN


REAVERMAN

That's ok. I think we all agree on not liking the billboard. I think I skipped past River's comments becauase it started with "no I wasn't drunk..". Alcohol is the problem- I tend to pass all comments about the alcohol.

I haven't had a beer for 3 weeks. That's probably why.

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Monday, June 4, 2007 6:00 PM

RIVER6213


Quote:

Originally posted by mazaen:
I live in Australia- so I hadn't heard of that billboard. I couldn't imagine it being allowed here.

I apologise River If I offended you.





Don't worry! I was not offended. I've been called worse things in my time.

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Monday, June 4, 2007 7:45 PM

RIVER6213


Quote:

Originally posted by AgentRouka:
Quote:

Originally posted by RiveR6213:
Let's give it to the guy with the most PC answer in the history of human beings. *"Canned Applause"*

You managed to answer that without actually giving an actual real answer.

Why oh why are humans cowards?

-River




Have you been around a baby recently? Little sibling, niece, nephew? Close friend's baby?

Because, I think it's entirely possible to be unable to assign value to a creature so innocent based on something like skin color, even if people carry an amount of prejudice around with them when it comes to persons who are older.




I completely agree with this, and yes I was around a friend recently who just had a baby. I got to hold the child and I couldn't believe that at one point all of us were small and helpless like that child I was holding. Also yes you are right. I think it would be difficult to assign a dollar value to the life of a child, and this is coming from someone who just recently (scroll up and read) said she would have no problem "nuking the planet and letting god sort 'em out" This is why I found that ad so offensive, and it also made me wonder if we are placing monetary value on adoption children based on race, we must also being doing the very same thing regarding adults.

I see this a lot with job hirings and I have to ask why was the more qualified Mr X who just happens to be Black was not hired, but Mr. Y was hired. The answer I get back was that they thought that Mr.Y would fit in more here. Mr. Y happened to be Chinese, and it turned out that his being less qualified wasn't the issue with them. They felt that they would get along better with him and have something in common. Fine, but getting along was not what I was looking for. Doing a specific job was. Once I found out about that I put a stop to it and canned Ms. Bitch for her lack of vision. It makes you wonder just how much of that nonsense is going on out there in this here world. A lot of people do this consciously or unconsciously (did I spell that right?) by assuming just because a person is of another color, or religion, or gender, and it also goes by what WE are comfortable with, but it is the human way. An unspoken sense of value. An unspoken sense of which race or sex is more or less deserving.

I'm guilty of this when it comes to men. I immediately assume a man doesn't have the focus like women do, but I've been proven wrong on that one time and time again, but still when the wire, crunch comes, I again assume the woman is better for the job and I devalue the man. Later when thinking about it I realize what I've done and right the wrong, but most of the time I don't, so I am just as guilty. Seeing that billboard was a reminder to me just how shallow we humans are including myself, but placing the value and worth on who is deserving and less deserving on children before they ever even reached the age of choice and action, was just a little too much for me to stomach. I hope you understand.

-River



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Tuesday, June 5, 2007 5:15 AM

MALBADINLATIN


Quote:

Originally posted by kaneman:
The only people I think being helped by their existence are the Pharmaceutical company reps that sell ADD drugs. On a more serious note...We always could tie them together with barbed wire, line them up along the Mexico border....It just may stem the flood of illegal immigrants....


I agree with you that the Pharm folks make big bank on ADD drugs...but you've hit new heights for shocking Dude! How are you gonna one up that one!?!? Crack babies????(alright...well I had something to do with that) Barbed Wire???? Man alive!!! Congratulations...you've finally offended me after all this time, but I still don't dislike you. You've got a tough job here in RWED, and somebody's gotta do it.

It's amazing how much panic one honest man can spread among a multitude of hypocrites

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Tuesday, June 5, 2007 7:36 AM

KANEMAN


Mal,
You planted the seed my friend. Just trying to roll with whats given..........It was preposterous, but very funny.....Well, to me anyway........

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Tuesday, June 5, 2007 6:02 PM

LEADB


Having been interested at one point in adopting, my wife and I looked into it. Very few white babies out there for adoption; long waiting lists. Most have to go through private agencies. Babies of color, you can generally adopt through public agencies. I have to imagine the costs are much less thru the public agencies. We became quite discouraged by the whole baby adoption process through that mechanism; and instead took foster children. We ended up adopting an 11 year old girl.

I'm not clear on what -point- of that billboard that River saw was; was there anything on the billboard besides the quoted 'price tag'. No such bill board in our area.



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Tuesday, June 5, 2007 6:19 PM

FREMDFIRMA


All of life is precious, give of it generously, take of it sparingly, for love is multiplied when shared, and misery depleted.

The only comment on this topic you'll get from me.

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Tuesday, June 5, 2007 9:30 PM

RIVER6213


Quote:

Originally posted by leadb:
Having been interested at one point in adopting, my wife and I looked into it. Very few white babies out there for adoption; long waiting lists. Most have to go through private agencies. Babies of color, you can generally adopt through public agencies. I have to imagine the costs are much less thru the public agencies. We became quite discouraged by the whole baby adoption process through that mechanism; and instead took foster children. We ended up adopting an 11 year old girl.

I'm not clear on what -point- of that billboard that River saw was; was there anything on the billboard besides the quoted 'price tag'. No such bill board in our area.



I suspect they put it up to get people talking which it did BTW. I'm going to photograph it later today and post it here.

-River

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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 5:30 AM

LEADB


Quote:

Originally posted by RiveR6213:

I suspect they put it up to get people talking which it did BTW. I'm going to photograph it later today and post it here.
-River

Well, at least it did that. Thx, I'd like to see it for context.

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Wednesday, June 13, 2007 4:01 PM

KANEMAN


Still saying the white baby.....Well, my opinion anywho...........

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