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Originally posted by citizen:
Whatever the consequences of not breaking up Iraq here's what you'll get if you do:

Shia Iraq, supported by Iran will be forever engaged in war with Sunni Iraq, supported by Syria. They'll merely become pawns between Iran and Syria, much like Vietnam between the US and Russia.

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Originally posted by SimonF:
Partition/splitting up countries wasn't exactly a roaring success in Ireland, Palestine or Yugoslavia.

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Originally posted by citizen:
Whatever the consequences of not breaking up Iraq here's what you'll get if you do:

Shia Iraq, supported by Iran will be forever engaged in war with Sunni Iraq, supported by Syria. They'll merely become pawns between Iran and Syria, much like Vietnam between the US and Russia.

If anyone noticed I haven't spoken about the Kurds, it because in all likelyhood they'll be dead. Before squaring off in strings of wars Shia and Sunni Iraq will wipe out Kurd Iraq.

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More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Well, I think it's a moot point anyway. We don't have the power to effect that kind of change because we don't control jack shit in Iraq anymore.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Who gets the parts with the oil?

Or do we just take that part for ourselves and make it the 51st state? Or the 52nd if you include Puerto Rico....

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Originally posted by Khyron:
53rd if you also include the UK.

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Originally posted by VoshExeter:
I just read an article in a magazine with fairly wide circulation in which plenty of page space was wasted trying to illuminate the benefits of unified strategy and communications in Iraq.

Breaking the country up into more than one nation is evidently still a few months off from being mentioned in main stream media. Any thoughts, feelings, perceptions, interesting show observations?

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Originally posted by VoshExeter:
I just read an article in a magazine with fairly wide circulation in which plenty of page space was wasted trying to illuminate the benefits of unified strategy and communications in Iraq.

Breaking the country up into more than one nation is evidently still a few months off from being mentioned in main stream media. Any thoughts, feelings, perceptions, interesting show observations?

voshExeter

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One thought. We have no right to even discuss the break-up of a sovereign nation. That we even discuss this shows how far from our founding we have come. We must leave Iraq immediately and let the Iraqi's decide what to do with THEIR country.....

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Originally posted by kaneman:
One thought. We have no right to even discuss the break-up of a sovereign nation. That we even discuss this shows how far from our founding we have come. We must leave Iraq immediately and let the Iraqi's decide what to do with THEIR country.....

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Originally posted by leadb:

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One thought. We have no right to even discuss the break-up of a sovereign nation. That we even discuss this shows how far from our founding we have come. We must leave Iraq immediately and let the Iraqi's decide what to do with THEIR country.....

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We live in America; we can discuss anything. However, 'point taken', I can accept withdrawal; there is nothing 'wrong' with offering to attempt to broker a division or what not while we are 'heading out.'

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Proactive, Preemptive Operations Group
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P2OG

Operation Gladio
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladio

Operation Northwoods
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwoods

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Originally posted by VoshExeter:
Breaking the country up into more than one nation is evidently still a few months off from being mentioned in main stream media. Any thoughts, feelings, perceptions, interesting show observations?

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Originally posted by citizen:
If anyone noticed I haven't spoken about the Kurds, it because in all likelyhood they'll be dead. Before squaring off in strings of wars Shia and Sunni Iraq will wipe out Kurd Iraq.

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While the situation is bad in Iraq, Afganistan is really the more dangerous problem anyway.

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One thought. We have no right to even discuss the break-up of a sovereign nation. That we even discuss this shows how far from our founding we have come. We must leave Iraq immediately and let the Iraqi's decide what to do with THEIR country.....

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We live in America; we can discuss anything. However, 'point taken', I can accept withdrawal; there is nothing 'wrong' with offering to attempt to broker a division or what not while we are 'heading out.'

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I think Kaneman is refering to the principles on which your country was founded, and how far you actions over the past sixty years have taken from your origins

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Right now any made in the US solution will be torn down and left hanging with the collaborators off the lampposts, and rightly so.

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While the situation is bad in Iraq, Afganistan is really the more dangerous problem anyway.

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Originally posted by Hero:

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Historically it fits the regions pattern. The problem, as I see it, is Kurdistan. If the Kurds get their own country then they will immediatly be at odds with the Kurdish regions of Iran and Turkey.

We have already seen some incursions by the Turkish Army into Iraq because Kurdish militants in Iraq, stable and prosperous, have been supporting the Kurdish militants in Turkey. A fully independant Kurdistan would likely lead to war between America's strongest Iraqi ally and its NATO partner or worse, a three way dance between Turkey, the Kurds, and Iran, which leaves us in the position of figuring out how to support the fight against Iran but not the one against Turkey.

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Originally posted by kpo:
Wow, that post from Piratenews was mercifully short.

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While the situation is bad in Iraq, Afganistan is really the more dangerous problem anyway.

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How d'you figure Gino?

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U.S. Arming Sunni Insurgents in Iraq

NY Times
June 11, 2007

With the four-month-old increase in American troops showing only modest success in curbing insurgent attacks, American commanders are turning to another strategy that they acknowledge is fraught with risk: arming Sunni Arab groups that have promised to fight militants linked with Al Qaeda who have been their allies in the past.

American commanders say they have successfully tested the strategy in Anbar Province west of Baghdad and have held talks with Sunni groups in at least four areas of central and north-central Iraq where the insurgency has been strong. In some cases, the American commanders say, the Sunni groups are suspected of involvement in past attacks on American troops or of having links to such groups. Some of these groups, they say, have been provided, usually through Iraqi military units allied with the Americans, with arms, ammunition, cash, fuel and supplies.

American officers who have engaged in what they call outreach to the Sunni groups say many of them have had past links to Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia but grew disillusioned with the Islamic militants' extremist tactics, particularly suicide bombings that have killed thousands of Iraqi civilians.

But critics of the strategy, including some American officers, say it could amount to the Americans' arming both sides in a future civil war. The United States has spent more than $15 billion in building up Iraq's army and police force, whose manpower of 350,000 is heavily Shiite. With an American troop drawdown increasingly likely in the next year, and little sign of a political accommodation between Shiite and Sunni politicians in Baghdad, the critics say, there is a risk that any weapons given to Sunni groups will eventually be used against Shiites. There is also the possibility the weapons could be used against the Americans themselves.

www.nytimes.com/2007/06/11/world/middleeast/11iraq.html?_r=1&hp=&oref=
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Proactive, Preemptive Operations Group
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P2OG

Operation Gladio
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladio

Operation Northwoods
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwoods

Operation Northwoods 9/11
www.september911surprise.com

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Originally posted by VoshExeter:

Breaking the country up into more than one nation is evidently still a few months off from being mentioned in main stream media. Any thoughts, feelings, perceptions, interesting show observations?

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