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Originally posted by Hero:
He also wants to get rid of Federal Law Enforcement agencies. That way we can trust our counter-terrorism to the Vermont State Patrol...

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"Now if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they're going to be wearing bulletproof vests. They've got a big target on there, ATF. Don't shoot at that, because they've got a vest on underneath that. Head shots, head shots. Kill the sons of bitches. If the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms insists upon a firefight, give them a firefight. Just remember, they're wearing flak jackets and you're better off shooting for the head."
-G Gordon Liddy, Nixon White House attorney at law, FBI agent, convicted Watergate felon, on his national neocon radio show in 1994
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._Gordon_Liddy

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Yes, it's former NYC mayor Rudy Giuliani in drag having his "breasts" shamelessly violated by "Apprentice" tycoon Donald Trump. Clip from new documentary GIULIANI TIME, by Kevin Keating, opens May 12 at Landmark Theatres' Sunshine Cinema in NYC. More at www.GiulianiTime.com.

"Mayor Giuliani — a former federal prosecutor who won notice for 'pursuing' the Mafia — had relatives linked to organized crime, including a mobbed-up cousin who was gunned down by FBI agents in 1977, a new book says. Lewis D'Avanzo, a son of the mayor's uncle and a guest at Giuliani's first wedding in 1968, was a 'ruthless and widely feared mob associate' who headed a massive stolen car ring, according to FBI documents and interviews detailed in Rudy! An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, by Village Voice senior editor Wayne Barrett. Due in stores next week, the book sketches a largely unflattering portrait of the clan, depicting his father, Harold, as a hothead and the "muscle" behind a brother-in-law's loansharking operation, run out of a Brooklyn bar. Along with cracking heads, it says the mayor's father served time in state prison for a stickup, rarely held an on-the-books job and once was a gunman in a mob shootout in Brighton Beach, Brooklyn. According to the book, Giuliani's cousin Lewis D'Avanzo was known as "Steve the Blond" and listed as armed and dangerous in FBI bulletins. His criminal record included a 10-year federal sentence for the armed hijacking of a truck loaded with $240,000 worth of mercury. The book alleges that he was suspected of taking part in several murders. D'Avanzo was gunned down by the FBI in October 1977, when he tried to run down an agent after being stopped on a warrant that accused him and two associates of transporting 100 stolen luxury cars. Quoting an unnamed friend of D'Avanzo, the book describes a 1962 shootout pitting a local mobster against the mayor's father and Leo D'Avanzo, Lewis D'Avanzo's father. The book says Leo was later sanctioned by mob bosses for shooting at a Mafia member. Leo D'Avanzo, who was known in family circles as a black sheep, ran loansharking and gambling operations out of a Brooklyn bar where Giuliani's father worked as a bartender. In his role as debt collector, his father 'broke legs, smashed kneecaps, crunched noses.' Joan Ellen D'Avanzo, a cousin who at one time lived with Giuliani when he was a youngster, became a drug addict who was beaten to death in 1973 at age 34. Her cause of death was listed as undetermined, but several family members said she was murdered."
—Michael R. Blood, New York Daily News, "Rudy's Kin Tied to Mob", July 06, 2000

"The father he celebrated so often was a pathological predator. His extended family harbored a junkie, a crooked cop and a murky mob wing. He dissolved his first marriage with a lie so he could appear Catholic when he remarried. The very personal jewelry his first wife found in her bedroom wasn't hers...."
—Wayne Barrett, Rudy!: An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Guiliani, "All in the Family: Crooks, Cops and a Junkie" (co-author of City for Sale)

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He also wants to get rid of Federal Law Enforcement agencies.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Oh, you mean the ones that in the history of their entire existance have not prevented a single act of terrorism

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Oh, you mean the ones that in the history of their entire existance have not prevented a single act of terrorism

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Your forgetting the plot to set off a nuclear bomb in New York last year.

What plot, says you?

Exactly.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,


With no tax, how is an aircraft carrier built, outfitted, crewed, and operated?

--Anthony

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While I agree that the Federal government should be scaled back, there ARE things that ONLY a fedral government can do.

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"And as for the aircraft carrier, why exactly do we need such a thing to defend our turf ? it's an offensive strike weapon, primarily.
If we put it back in our pants and redesigned our armed forces to defend our country instead of being an imperial war machine, we could cut a hell of a lot of that budget, and put much of it where it BELONGS, that being the after-action support of the young men and women who've served.

Our countries habit of crapping on the vets while denying them the needful medical care and resources we promised them is downright shameful.

If one feels we need an Aircraft carrier for national defense, then one tells our elected representatives that we want one, they vote on it, then vote on what funds they will appropriate for one, and then contract it via their responsibility as enumerated in Article I, Section 8.

We have a system in place for this, apparently not well understood, so lemme add a link here to clarify matters.

http://www.usconstitution.net/const.txt

Ron's not proposing Anarchy here, he's calling for the FedGov to properly perform it's intended function.

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Section 8
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and
Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general
Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be
uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and
with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject
of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the
Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin
of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited
Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings
and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and
Offenses against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning
Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be
for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union,
suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for
governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United
States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers,
and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline
prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District
(not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and
the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United
States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent
of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of
Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into
Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this
Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or
Officer thereof.

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There are legitimate ways for the federal government to tax us. They can tax commerce, some goods, and a few other things. It is primarily the income tax that would be abolished. So an aircraft carrier, which is a legitimate need of a legitimate military, would be funded through taxes, just not an income tax.

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"It is duties, tariffs, and excise tax."

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a duty is a kind of tax, often associated with customs, a payment due to the revenue of a state, levied by force of law. Properly, a duty differs from a tax in being levied on specific commodities, financial transactions, estates, etc., and not on individuals; thus it is right to talk of import duties, excise duties, death or succession duties, etc., but not of income tax as being levied on a person in proportion to his income.

A tariff is a tax on foreign goods upon importation. When a ship arrives in port a customs officer inspects the contents and charges a tax according to the tariff formula. Since the goods cannot be landed until the tax is paid it is the easiest tax to collect, and the cost of collection is small. Smugglers of course seek to evade the tariff.

In the United States, the term excise means: (A) any tax other than a property tax or capitation (i.e., an indirect tax, or excise, in the constitutional law sense), or (B) a tax that is simply called an excise in the language of the statute imposing that tax (an excise in the statutory law sense, sometimes called a miscellaneous excise). An excise under definition (A) is not necessarily the same as an excise under definition (B).

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Originally posted by SergeantX:
Ron Paul is the only politician I'm aware worthy of a vote. The sad fact is, people don't want the kind of freedom, and responsibility, he advocates. We are living in a nation of people trained from birth to be good little consumer drones. Go to school, get a job, watch TV and don't ask questions. Our insecurities are reinforced through daily doses of fear supplied by our government, our media, our schools, our religions, etc...I'd love to hear how anyone thinks this might change, but I'm not seeing how.

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Originally posted by MalBadInLatin:
..It was so much easier to convince my neighbors than I thought. It's a small part to play but it felt great. Try it if you are so inclined! F the media/political complex!!!

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By Frem: ...give me one reason, if you can, even one... not to vote for this guy.

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Hero Buts In: He also wants to get rid of Federal Law Enforcement agencies. That way we can trust our counter-terrorism to the Vermont State Patrol...

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Frem Quickly Counters: I think your real problem, Zero, is that like the rest of the parasitic leeches suckling the FedGov masquerading as "Public Servants", you'd be forced to go out and get a real job once the trough is empty.

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Originally posted by kaneman:
"F the media/political complex!!!"
Mal, you can do better than that.

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