Scooter Skates by deadlockvictim

http://www.speaker.gov/blog/?p=543

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The President’s commutation of Scooter Libby’s prison sentence does not serve justice, condones criminal conduct, and is a betrayal of trust of the American people.

The President said he would hold accountable anyone involved in the Valerie Plame leak case. By his action today, the President shows his word is not to be believed. He has abandoned all sense of fairness when it comes to justice, he has failed to uphold the rule of law, and he has failed to hold his Administration accountable - July 2nd, 2007 by Speaker Pelosi

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plame_Affair

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On September 30, 2003, President Bush said that if there had been "a leak" from his administration about Plame, "I want to know who it is ... and if the person has violated law, the person will be taken care of."

Bush added.... "we're gonna have a real texas barbecue...that'll take care of ole scooter....yeeeeha!"

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Monday, July 2, 2007 3:02 PM

SERGEANTX

I'd like to hear now from the morons who still support this administration. Care to dance for us?

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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Monday, July 2, 2007 3:10 PM

MALBADINLATIN

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Originally posted by deadlockvictim:
"I respect the jury's verdict," Bush said in a statement. "But"....aw screw it......I ain't got no respect fer nobody....'sides I'm the friggin DECIDER....!

I'm numb...............catatonic.........................not surprised.........we're doomed anyway....if somebody shoots Bush soon, it wasn't me

If you're not on Malbadinlatin's side, you're with the terrorists.

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Monday, July 2, 2007 3:16 PM

MALBADINLATIN

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Originally posted by SergeantX:
I'd like to hear now from the morons who still support this administration. Care to dance for us?

Her name is Ann Coulter, and trust me, you don't want to see her dance, or even talk, eeesh! all those lanky fingers and scrawny legs.

If you're not on Malbadinlatin's side, you're with the terrorists.

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Monday, July 2, 2007 3:22 PM

i know this has been around before, but i think at times like these this message bears repeating......

http://filmstripinternational.com/

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Monday, July 2, 2007 3:32 PM

GINOBIFFARONI

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Originally posted by SergeantX:
I'd like to hear now from the morons who still support this administration. Care to dance for us?

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

Those would be the people wearing the " I'm with stupid T-shirts right? "

Wouldn't that be ironic

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Monday, July 2, 2007 3:40 PM

VETERAN

Don't squat with your spurs on.

I think that about says it. They left one out though: the American Voter. We let him back in 2004 and blew it when we had a second chance to right things by not sending a veto proof majority in to congress.

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Monday, July 2, 2007 4:09 PM

Good. I have to admit, for a short while I was starting to think that Bush wasn’t going to pardon Libby. (Although technically, he didn't.)

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Monday, July 2, 2007 4:13 PM

MISSTRESSAHARA

I don't usually comment on the RWED, but this was curious to me;

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"That's fantastic. It's a great relief," said former Ambassador Richard Carlson, who helped raise millions for Libby's defense fund. "Scooter Libby did not deserve to go to prison and I'm glad the president had the courage to do this."

Raised millions for one man's defence who was probably already priveledged and had the money to support himself (may be wrong, don't know too much about him) but isn't it strange these politico's are raising millions to defend another politico while people in the very same country are starving or going bankrupt just trying to stay healty. Thing's that make you go hmmmmmmm.

Oh, and this;

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Bush said Cheney's former aide was not getting off free.
"The reputation he gained through his years of public service and professional work in the legal community is forever damaged," Bush said. "His wife and young children have also suffered immensely. He will remain on probation. The significant fines imposed by the judge will remain in effect. The consequences of his felony conviction on his former life as a lawyer, public servant and private citizen will be long-lasting."

For a minute there, I thought he was talking about Paris Hilton, his sentence has the same sort of bs the Sherrif spewed off.

Ah to be rich, powerful, and be able to piss anyone off and never have to worry about culpability.

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Monday, July 2, 2007 4:19 PM

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Originally posted by Misstressahara:
Ah to be rich, powerful, and be able to piss anyone off and never have to worry about culpability.

Yes. It's good to be da rich.

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Monday, July 2, 2007 4:24 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Veteran- Take this for what you will but the American voter did NOT vote Bush back in 2004. There were such serious discrepanices between the exit polls and the final vote tally... in six contentious states with electronic voting... that a group of high-powered statisticians who looked at the results said the only explanation that could NOT be ruled out was tampering. I find it disturbing ang frustrating that the Democratic Party does not make an issue of requiring tamper-proof voting methods.

And that doesn't even get into the registration and voter rolls. People think we live in a democracy because they can go to the polls. But the UN wasn't allowed to monitor our elections, and if they had been allowed to do so they wouldn't have even be able to certify them.

ETA: Oh yeah: F*ck Bush, Cheney and f*ck the whole damn lying, greedy, hypocritical buncha bastards. If people realized what these f*cking *ssholes have been doing for the past seven year AHWBL.

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Monday, July 2, 2007 4:41 PM

VETERAN

Don't squat with your spurs on.

Signym,

You make a good point. The discrepancies and suppression not withstanding many Americans did vote for Bush. Even an extremely well coordinated rigging effort would not have been able to overcome a landslide. Face it a lot of our fellow citizens drank the cool aid.

Don't drink downstream of the herd.

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Monday, July 2, 2007 5:14 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Some day I'll tell you how I REALLY feel about the Administration.

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Monday, July 2, 2007 7:05 PM

SKYWALKEN

Via Newsbusters:

MSM Ignores Higher Placed Clinton Officials' Conviction to Tout Libby's

I keep seeing this talking point phrase in multiple MSM stories about the Libby conviction; "Libby was convicted in March, the highest-ranking White House official ordered to prison since the Iran-Contra affair roiled the Reagan administration in the 1980s."(emphasis, mine) This is a misleading statement that makes the reader imagine that no high-ranking Presidential appointee, adviser, or member of the White House has been convicted of anything since Reagan's era. But, at least one past official's name should be placed above that of Libby's. Henry Cisneros was the Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, appointed to that position by President Bill Clinton. Cisneros, it should be remembered, was convicted in 1995 on 18 counts of conspiracy, false statements and obstruction of justice. And, I'd dare say that Libby, who only worked in the office of the Vice President, was a minnow in the pond in which Cisneros swam. Cisneros was the Secretary of HUD, after all, a presidential cabinet member!

Naturally, on his way out of the White House in 2001, Clinton pardoned Cisneros.

Yet, here we have the MSM constantly calling Libby the "highest White House official" convicted, completely ignoring the conviction of a much, much higher official with Cisneros. Of course, that this man was a member of Clinton's cabinet pretty much explains why the MSM is conveniently forgetting the fact that Libby is a small fish in this conviction game compared to Cisneros. And, Cisneros was certainly a member of the White House having been a Clinton appointee.

Still, this claim of Libby being "highest official" is everywhere. An MSM talking point, for sure. And a misleading one, at that.

Here are just a few quick examples:

The AP

"Libby was convicted in March, the highest-ranking White House official ordered to prison since the Iran-Contra affair roiled the Reagan administration in the 1980s."

Bloomberg News

"Libby, who had faced as many as 10 years in prison, was the highest-ranking former White House official sentenced to prison since 1990, when ex-National Security Adviser John Poindexter was ordered to serve six months for lying to Congress about the Iran- Contra affair. "

The Times On'Line

"He was the highest-ranking US official to be sentenced since the Iran Contra affair 20 years ago."

Even MTV got in the talking points game with their report today:

"Libby is the only person charged in the Plame investigation and is the highest ranking government official to be convicted in a government scandal in 20 years."

These several stories are just today's, but the use of this talking point goes back months. Whether new or old, though, this "highest official" talking point that is besmirching both Reagan and Bush is pervasive and it all conveniently forgets the conviction of Clinton's much higher placed White House Official, Cisneros.

And, let us not forget to mention that Clinton himself was a pretty high level White House Official to get in a tad of trouble. There WAS all that impeachment stuff a little while ago, you know?

But, who really could be surprised that Clinton gets a pass by the MSM... AGAIN?

http://newsbusters.org/node/13886

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Monday, July 2, 2007 8:54 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Skywalken, you did not read the statements carefully. They did NOT say "highest White House official" convicted. What they said is "Libby was convicted in March, the highest-ranking White House official ordered to prison" Cisneros, because of a plea deal, never got jail time. Meanwhile "independent counsel" David Barrett continues to work--at taxpayer cost of $2 million a year--on footnote scandal of Clinton administration even thought the final report was submitted a year ago. The GAO is wondering whether he's doing anything beside sucking up a salary. Seems like you've got an axe to grind. And you don't know how to read.

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Tuesday, July 3, 2007 1:04 AM

SKYWALKEN

Here's some more material of interest:

Pardons granted by President Clinton (1993-2001):

http://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/clintonpardon_grants.htm

Clinton: My Reasons for the Pardons...

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/02/18/opinion/18CLIN.html?pagewanted=all&e
i=5070&en=66ba82eaf117b24b&ex=1183521600

Hat tip to the Drudge Report.

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Tuesday, July 3, 2007 1:49 AM

SERGEANTX

And let's no forget Watergate.

SW, what point are you trying to make? Is it really the old saw "Clinton did it too"?

As someone who holds equal contempt for Republicans and Democrats I can tell you - Bush's crimes, his pig-headed arrogance, his cynical attempts to evade the intent of the constitution at every turn, outclass Clinton's in every way. Maybe you can hang your hat on that, Bush is a lot better at it than Clinton, and has been able to a lot more lasting damage. Congrats!

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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Tuesday, July 3, 2007 2:03 AM

JONGSSTRAW

Mr. Libby did not deserve to go to jail. I just love how out of their minds the Dems are on this...just all verklempt and besides themselves..what a hoot! Funny how none of them had any problems with their love God Clinton when he pardoned embezzlers, drug dealers, rapists, and felons.....compared to those that dirty Bill set free, Libby was a Boy Scout.

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Tuesday, July 3, 2007 2:56 AM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Good. I have to admit, for a short while I was starting to think that Bush wasn’t going to pardon Libby. (Although technically, he didn't.)

What he did was really quite clever. By commuting some, but not all the sentence and leaving the verdict intact he allows Mr. Libby to continue the appeal process which many legal experts agree shows a great deal of promise.

If Libby wins then he does not need a pardon and thus is saved having to go to prison over a politically motivated conviction that failed to survive appeal and Bush is saved the hassle and scrutiny of issuing a pardon. Also accepting a pardon is by nature an addmission of guilt, something Mr. Libby has never done.

If Libby loses the appeal, Bush still has the option to issue the pardon up till January 20, 2009.

H

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Tuesday, July 3, 2007 3:08 AM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Mr. Libby did not deserve to go to jail. I just love how out of their minds the Dems are on this...just all verklempt and besides themselves..what a hoot! Funny how none of them had any problems with their love God Clinton when he pardoned embezzlers, drug dealers, rapists, and felons.....compared to those that dirty Bill set free, Libby was a Boy Scout.

Lets not forget that Clinton directly accepted money for several of his pardons. Also he pardon several Jewish fellas in New York whose community had turned out to vote 97% for Hillary, despite never voting Demacrat before or since.

Not that Clinton broke any laws. The Supreme Court has said many times that the pardon power is unlimited and that the President can pardon a person for ANY reason, including political.

H

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Tuesday, July 3, 2007 3:56 AM

JONGSSTRAW

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Originally posted by Hero:
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Mr. Libby did not deserve to go to jail. I just love how out of their minds the Dems are on this...just all verklempt and besides themselves..what a hoot! Funny how none of them had any problems with their love God Clinton when he pardoned embezzlers, drug dealers, rapists, and felons.....compared to those that dirty Bill set free, Libby was a Boy Scout.

Lets not forget that Clinton directly accepted money for several of his pardons. Also he pardon several Jewish fellas in New York whose community had turned out to vote 97% for Hillary, despite never voting Demacrat before or since.

Not that Clinton broke any laws. The Supreme Court has said many times that the pardon power is unlimited and that the President can pardon a person for ANY reason, including political.

H

Ya know...I had forgotten about that Jewish block vote in NY for HIllary....Nothing Wrong With This Picture...right? She also used her Senatorial leverage to allow an African women to stay in America because she claimed female mutilation in her home country...turned out the women was a wanted fugitive for credit card fraud, and is now one of our 12 million illegal aliens in America...and Hillary just said...oops!
And....talk about yo' National Security??...what about little bad bad Sandy Berger....man was caught red-handed stealing classified documents out of the National Archives, using Clinton as his "benfactor". No prosecution or jail for him, just some fines and a little disbarrment, but no jail. Only Republicans should go to jail I guess.

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Tuesday, July 3, 2007 4:14 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY

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Originally posted by SergeantX:
I'd like to hear now from the morons who still support this administration. Care to dance for us?

I just love being the Devil's advocate, moron that I am. Libby, while spared jail time, must still pay a $250,000 fine, get 2 years probation, and have a criminal record. How can that be equated to skating?

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Tuesday, July 3, 2007 5:16 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Hero- your replies helped me to understand why lawyers say "the law is a whore".

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Tuesday, July 3, 2007 5:46 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Hero- your replies helped me to understand why lawyers say "the law is a whore".

Perhaps. But I was only pointing out the obvious. The pardon power is unlimited whether used by Republicans or Democrats.

Should Libby go to jail? If he misremembered something, I don't think so. If he deliberately obstructed the investigation, then yes he should. But I find the fact that there was no underlying offense compelling. How can one obstruct an investigation into nothing? I don't think it can be done. So my final conclusion is that Libby does not deserve jail.

Its not like he was knowingly lying under oath or going on national TV and lying directly to the American people or shoving classified documents down his pants or something like that.

I've always found pardons interesting. Lawschool requires us to write a research paper during our final year and we cannot graduate until its done. Mine was a paper on the Presidential pardon power that traced the evolution of the pardon power from its biblical origins up to the Clinton era. The question was whether Clinton broke the law if he sold pardon for money or political gain. He did not. It may not be ethical, moral, or smart...but its legal and constitutional and entirely consistant with the historical uses of the power both in American history and beyond.

In this particular case its also quite clever. I think those who consider this move stupid and unjust are a bit biased (Bush-haters...if Bush orders pancakes for breakfast they are ready to march, if he orders cereal they are ready to march, if he skips breakfast you could see a riot, they hate Bush, the topic is not relevent).

It may be unjust (all pardons are unjust, its their nature) but it was smarter then either an outright pardon or a complute commuting of the sentence. I'm not sure things have ever been done in quite this way and knowing something of the history, thats saying alot.

H

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Tuesday, July 3, 2007 6:40 AM

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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
How can that be equated to skating?

Bigdamn, come on, you really think Libby will be out one red cent. His legal defense fund - http://www.scooterlibby.com/ - has raised millions – his good bud Dick has very deep pockets as well. The possibility of a full pardon before Bush leaves office is still very real and I certainly expect it will happen.

IMO, there was never a real chance that Libby would do any time, have to pay any cash – or live with an ankle bracelet for one single day – this administration is very adept at the old bait and switch style of politics, and they would not abandon one of their own.

One more thing – I don’t dislike Scooter Libby, he’s a stand-up guy – he took one for the team. I don’t necessarily dislike George Bush, he may be a decent dude, when he is in his element (which, it seems, is not leader of the free world…. etc), and even old Dead Eye Dick would be someone you might want watching your back, maybe not with a loaded shotgun, but I think it is evident that he rewards those loyal to his plan for world domination… But what really girds my loins is the way BushCo has a tendency to blow their respective noses on the constitution. For those of you who feel that some of the freedoms guaranteed by the constitution have not been blatantly eroded by this administration, I would ask you open your eyes a bit and look at the evidence of high crimes and misdemeanors committed by these wacky pranksters parading as the good guys.

a starting place or google your own...
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/1114-30.htm

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Tuesday, July 3, 2007 9:22 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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I don't think so. If he deliberately obstructed the investigation, then yes he should. But I find the fact that there was no underlying offense compelling. How can one obstruct an investigation into nothing? I don't think it can be done. So my final conclusion is that Libby does not deserve jail.

How did you conclude that? Patrick Fitzgerald said that he could not even investigate if there was any underlying crime due to Libby's interference and obstruction. Your logic is spectacularly faulty.

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Tuesday, July 3, 2007 9:56 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
How did you conclude that? Patrick Fitzgerald said that he could not even investigate if there was any underlying crime due to Libby's interference and obstruction. Your logic is spectacularly faulty.

Your knowledge of the case is faulty.

On July 14, 2003 Robert Novak revealed Plame's identity in his column. There is a great deal of speculation about whether Plame was a covert operative as defined by the law at that time. If she was not, then no crime was committed by revealing her status. Also she herself revealed the information to friends, neighbors, and even the press who took little or no interest in her "former" job. These two questions and some others equally interesting made it impossible for Fitzgerald to establish the underlying offense.

Assuming for the sake of argument that she was an operative then the question revolves around who revealed the information to Novak. Novak testified that the information was revealed by ex-Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage and later confirmed by Carl Rove. They were not charged.

The Prosecutor was never able to establish that a crime had occurred and never made the argument that if there was such a crime, the Vice-President's office was involved, so Libby's connection was tenuous at best. Libby's mistake was not being clear about the details of his involvment with the discussions of the Plame matter that occurred AFTER the Novak column was published. He was prosecuted for not remembering things the same way others did. This is why many people have now refused to cooperate with Congressional investigations into matters such as the firing of the US Attorneys.

It is interesting to note the Mark Rich connection. Libby was Rich's attorney from 1987 until 2000 and Fitzgerald was the Prosecutor for most of that period as well. Perhaps there is lingering animosity here...although I doubt it. But it is an odd coincidence.

H

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Tuesday, July 3, 2007 10:17 AM

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John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

Jewish trial lawyer Lewis "Scooter" Libby was Jewish Israeli spy and indicted felon Marc Rich's lawyer.
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/03/02/clinton.library/

Rich was pardoned by Jewish president Bill Clinton Blythe III (bastard Rockefeller).
www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/bc42.html

Homosexual Libby authored the novel THE APPRENTICE, with its hero participating in pedophilia and bestiality.
www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=104&contentid=2934
www.amazon.com/Apprentice-Novel-Lewis-Libby/dp/0312284535

Similar to lesbian Lynn Cheney's homosexual novel SISTERS.
www.whitehouse.org/administration/sisters.asp

Quote:

"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor."
-Lewis Libby, Jewish Israeli Bush Project for a New American Century, Rebuilding America's Defenses, 2000
www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century

Paris Hilton served more jailtime for lawfully driving on a license that was NOT suspended, than PNAC Israeli citizen Libby, effectively convicted of treason.

Quote:

LARRY KING: Why did you drive with a suspended license?

PARIS HILTON: I was told that I had my license. My lawyer told me the license is suspended for 30 days, no driving. Then 90 days then after that you could drive to and from work. So for 30 days, I never drove once. Then after that it was for work related purposes.

KING: Think you got a raw deal? Do you?

HILTON: Yes, I do.

KING: What's the terms of probation? What can you do and can't do?

HILTON: Now?

KING: Yes. You're on probation, right?

HILTON: I'm just going to follow all the laws.

KING: I mean, for how long? Do you have to report to a probation officer?

HILTON: No. It's not like that.

KING: Do you think the judge was unkind?

HILTON: You know, my lawyers even said that with this kind -- it wasn't for a DUI, it was for a suspended license -- that people only -- I was walking in there assuming I was just going to get community service. That's what my lawyer said at the time. So when he sentenced me to that much time in jail, it was shocking, because that doesn't happen, ever.

KING: Did you think, Paris, that you didn't deserve to be there?

HILTON: You know, I think the crime did not fit the, you know, fit the punishment. I did my time. And you know, it was really hard, but I don't feel like I deserved to go to jail for it.

KING: You never felt you were a criminal.

HILTON: No.

KING: Not now, not then?

HILTON: No.

KING: On January 15, you were pulled over by the California Highway Patrol and told your license had been suspended, and you said you thought it was OK.

HILTON: I told the officer because I called my lawyer at that point and they said you're allowed to drive for work related purposes and I was at a business meeting before that.

KING: So misconception.

HILTON: Yeah.

KING: And January 22 you plead "no contest" to a reduced charge of alcohol-related reckless driving, you were ordered to take alcohol education. Did you?

HILTON: Yes, I did. And actually when we went into court, they said that I hadn't but the lady was sitting right in the courtroom and she said, "I will testify and say that Paris finished the course" and they wouldn't let her do it.

KING: And the driving with a suspended license. That you thought it was not suspended, right?

HILTON: I never would have driven on a suspended license. I get followed by paparazzi all day. Why would I have the audacity to do that?

KING: What kind of license do you have now?

HILTON: Fully reinstated license.

Even before I went in jail my license was fully reinstated with no restrictions whatsoever.

KING: Were you -- oh, we have your mug shot. Want to find out what you were thinking, what it was like to go through this. We will show that. I've seen worse.

HILTON: Thank you.

www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/06/27/king.hilton.transcript/index.html

www.mugshots.org/hollywood/larry-king.html

The Mexican prosecutor who jailed Paris refused to jail his own Mexican wife, who has had a warrant issued for her arrest for 10 years, for driving on a suspended license.

The benefit, to US, of Jr Bush's commutation and eventual pardon of Libby, is it motivates the drive to impeach and arrest. Hopefully.

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Tuesday, July 3, 2007 10:23 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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There is a great deal of speculation about whether Plame was a covert operative as defined by the law at that time. If she was not, then no crime was committed by revealing her status. Also she herself revealed the information to friends, neighbors, and even the press who took little or no interest in her "former" job. These two questions and some others equally interesting made it impossible for Fitzgerald to establish the underlying offense.

This is all bullcrap and you know it. I challenge you to post verification of any of this. You should stop shitting outta your mouth, it's unbecoming.

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The Prosecutor was never able to establish that a crime had occurred and never made the argument that if there was such a crime, the Vice-President's office was involved, so Libby's connection was tenuous at best.

It appeared that there was more than one source. The Prosecutor was never able to establish IF the VPs office was involved bc of Libby's obstruction.

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Tuesday, July 3, 2007 12:48 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
This is all bullcrap and you know it. I challenge you to post verification of any of this. You should stop shitting outta your mouth, it's unbecoming.

Ah, funny. The debate over whether Plame’s status with the CIA was actually protected under the law was a huge, huge debate – in the media, in the courtroom, even on this board, yet you feign this shock, like its first time you’ve ever heard of it. That’s hilarious.

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Tuesday, July 3, 2007 1:15 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

It was an artifical debate- one which I knew at the time was half smokescreen and half flying bullshit. All the "speculation" and "controversy" was sheer butt-puckered ass-covering. Her neighbors and friends didn't have a friggin' clue as to what she did for a living. The CIA said she was a covert operative. End of story.

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Tuesday, July 3, 2007 2:46 PM

ANTIMASON

YEAH... it was really a big fuss about nothing. its definitely not because the Bush administration has any skeletons in its closet, that this is how they operate, by lies and vagueness and secrecy and disinformation. no, thats not it. its the 'liberal media', being hypocritical again.. i mean its not like they dont do it TOO.

this is sickening

my guess, the guys not innocent.. and if it were up to me, id take Bush and Cheney and Rice and Rumsfield and Gonzalez and anyone else who even had a meal with any of these people to court, and scrutinize them like they ought to be; they're all a bunch of criminals and traitors

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Tuesday, July 3, 2007 3:24 PM

VETERAN

Don't squat with your spurs on.

Depends on your point of view. By law convicted drug dealaers get a lot of time.... but traitors get shot. Libby gave up not just one spy but her hole cover operation, sounds more like a traitor than a Boy Scout to me.

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Tuesday, July 3, 2007 3:58 PM

ANTIMASON

dare we speculate about Bush or Cheney meeting a firing squad? homeland security or the SS might construe this as a 'death threat'

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although, i wouldnt 'take it off the table', to use a commonly thrown around Bush term

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Tuesday, July 3, 2007 4:11 PM

Libby was charged with perjury and obstruction of justice, not illegal exposure of a government covert agent. If such case could even be made, certainly it would have been made against the person who has confessed to the supposed crime. When a drug dealer is accused of a crime that another person later confesses, you don’t throw the innocent man in jail and ignore the confession, unless the “crime” was just a bunch bullshit to begin with. If Libby is truly guilty of what he has been convicted of, then I firmly believe he should be punished under the law. I do think that jail is excessive though. Most people who commit perjury are never even charged; those that are, rarely go to jail. I remember a certain Democratic President for which it was known with absolute certainty that he did perjure himself and obstruct justice, but he didn’t even lose his job. Libby did. Seems to me that based on the precedent that Democrats were perfectly happy setting a few years ago and the fact the perjury is not treason, Libby has been punished for his crimes when he lost his job.

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Tuesday, July 3, 2007 7:00 PM

America loves a winner!

W finally does something right. Good for him.

'Scooter' wasn't the one who leaked Val Plame's name to the press, so anyone trying to claim Bush went back on his word, is a moron.

Nancy Pelosi, is a moron. The 'crime' Scooter is guilty of is mis-remembering. Wow. Lock the kids up and hide the farm animals, Scooter is loose! Dear god,don't let him mis-remember again! Fact is, his actions harmed no one, nor did he hinder or deprive anyone of their rights through force or fraud. In no way,shape or form did Bush,..." abandoned all sense of fairness when it comes to justice, he has failed to uphold the rule of law, and he has failed to hold his Administration accountable. " . It's well with in the power of the President, check the US Constitution before ou utter something as stupid as that again.

I'm sure there was this amount of rightious indignation when Clinton PARDONED dozens of drug dealers and tax evaders, right ? Hell no there wasn't, so screw ANYONE of you who thinks Bush is skirting the law or playing the cronyism game , as Hitlery stated in her remarks. Damn hypocrites.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Tuesday, July 3, 2007 7:20 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

How does pointing out what Clinton did excuse GWB? I didn't vote for Clinton and there were a lot of things he did that pissed me off. So before you start using Clinton-bashing as an excuse for Bush, you might notice that nobody here is defending the guy on moral grounds and nobody here is going to defend Bush either.

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Tuesday, July 3, 2007 11:50 PM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
How does pointing out what Clinton did excuse GWB? I didn't vote for Clinton and there were a lot of things he did that pissed me off. So before you start using Clinton-bashing as an excuse for Bush, you might notice that nobody here is defending the guy on moral grounds and nobody here is going to defend Bush either.

Clinton was President. Bush is President. Both have commuted/pardoned folks while in office. It's understood that a vast majority of those who don't like Bush simply adore Clinton. Not everyone, but most. Clinton pardoned drug dealers, terrorist, and tax evaders, and there wasn't 1/100th the outcry in the media / on the hill over his choices, and yet Bush makes one decision, and you'd have thought he was re-writing the Constitution. Reading Hillary or Pelosi's comments on the issue, is a lesson in pure hypocrisy.

And you might want to open your eyes, because there are folks who are 'defending' or approve of what Bush did, whether you want to acknowledge it or not.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Wednesday, July 4, 2007 12:09 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Veteran:
Depends on your point of view. By law convicted drug dealaers get a lot of time.... but traitors get shot. Libby gave up not just one spy but her hole cover operation, sounds more like a traitor than a Boy Scout to me.

Libby gave up no one, not one spy, not any damn operation, but that's a fact that your simple mind just won't grasp. If he DID, then why the hell wasn't he charged w/ that act ? Because he DIDN'T. Richard Armitage did, with out malice or intent, it seems, but I don't see you calling the firing squad for him, do I ?

Val & Joe lied. Val lied when she said she had no role in Joe getting the job to Niger. Joe lied when said the office of the VP sent him over to Niger. The Wilson's were against this war all along, and wanted to do anything they could to stick it in the eye of the President and his administration. This entire mess is a game which so many of you were played by Joe and Val. Hope y'all enjoyed it.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Wednesday, July 4, 2007 1:15 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Val and Joe were correct. There was no uranium yellow cake in Iraq. Hope y'all are enjoying the war though.

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Wednesday, July 4, 2007 2:40 AM

OLDENGLANDDRY

Quote:
Originally posted by piratenews:
Jewish trial lawyer Lewis "Scooter" Libby was Jewish Israeli spy

They have Jews in Isreal now?
Wow, they realy do get everywhere dont they?

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Wednesday, July 4, 2007 5:03 AM

Can we be clear on a few things here… It has been noted on this board and elsewhere that Scooter Libby was not directly connected to the original offense of disclosing the identity of a CIA agent (yes, Valarie Plame was a covert agent working for the CIA -), an open act of treason. However, Libby was no less culpable than those who set him up as the fall guy.

I expect there will be repercussions in the weeks ahead.
Here is part of an op-ed piece by Sidney Blumenthal that appears on today’s Salon.com.

Bush and Cheney walk, too
Sidney Blumenthal
http://www.salon.com/opinion/blumenthal/2007/07/03/libby/

Quote:
Cheney aroused President Bush to the danger from Wilson. A handwritten note by Libby that surfaced in his trial revealed that Bush raised his concern about the Kristof column in a subsequent June 9 meeting. The next day, the State Department memo "Niger/Iraq Uranium Story" began circulating within the administration. On June 12, Cheney identified Plame to Libby, and Libby went hard to work. Within three days, he discussed Plame with five officials. On July 6, after Wilson published a New York Times op-ed disclosing that the rationale the president gave for the war was premised on false information, an enraged Cheney ordered Libby into high gear. Cheney also secured Bush's concurrence for Libby to leak selected parts of the still-classified National Intelligence Estimate on Saddam's weapons of mass destruction to New York Times reporter Judith Miller on July 8. Bush, therefore, was deeply involved. But what did the president know, and when did he know it?

Bush's commutation of Libby's 30-month prison sentence for four counts of perjury and obstruction of justice was as politically necessary to hold his remaining hardcore base for the rest of his 18 months in office as it was politically damaging to his legacy and to the possibility of a Republican succession. It was also essential in order to sustain Libby's cover-up protecting Cheney and perhaps Bush himself.

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Wednesday, July 4, 2007 6:38 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

All roads lead to Cheney. I just read an article about Cheney's personal involvement in irrigating the Northwest using Klamath River water, and creating the largest fishkill in their history (he saved the farmers and ruined the fishermen)
http://humboldtherald.wordpress.com/2007/06/27/dick-cheney-ordered-kla
math-fish-kill/
and one of the lines that stuck out was Characteristically he left no tracks. If you read the article, you'll see that Cheney's MO includes appointing loyalists who know what Cheney wants (he doesn't have to give orders), reaching waaaay down the hierarchy with personal, frequent phone calls and visits which pressure low-level staff (sounds very much like his frequent personal visits to CIA HQ b4 the Iraq war), and blocking outside access to information (to the point of illegally erasing or shredding documents).

When I was looking into neocon involvement in setting up the Iraq war, it was pretty easy to trace. Rumsfeld, Feith, Wolfowitz, Abrams, Wurmser, Kristol, and a host of other Jewish activists both in and out of government left clear tracks in JINSA, AEI, memos etc. The anomaly was Cheney. There is almost no information about him on the web about his religion or political views: no statements of any kind for decades. The guy is a habitual mastermind of secrecy and autocracy. AND, he believes that's the way things should be done. Didn't he just say that the rules don't apply to him because he's not part of the Executive Branch? In his mind, he IS the government.

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Wednesday, July 4, 2007 9:38 AM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Val and Joe were correct. There was no uranium yellow cake in Iraq. Hope y'all are enjoying the war though.

No, they lied. I see how well you skirted the specifics I cited, and instead tossed out some irrelevant non sequitur about there not being any yellow cake in Iraq. That wasn't even Joe's mission, to see if any ( more ) was in Iraq. Joe had been sent to Niger (allegedly ) to see if Iraq had been looking to buy any MORE yellow cake uranium. Niger was where Iraq had obtained some yellow cake uranium back in 1980, for a nuclear power plant. The power plant which Israel destroyed before it could be completed. There was every reason to believe, as the British Intel still holds to, that Iraq was trying to obtain more yellow cake from Niger.

Continue your education. Please.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Wednesday, July 4, 2007 1:39 PM

SOUPCATCHER

Just to clear up a few ambiguities.

Ambassador Wilson was told by the CIA, prior to his trip to Niger, that the interest in the Niger claim that prompted his trip came from the Office of the Vice President.

Valerie Plame was covert at the time of her outing. (the relevant quote from a declassified CIA document entered into evidence during the sentencing phase of Libby's trial is, "Ms. Wilson was a covert CIA employee for who the CIA was taking affirmative measures to conceal her intelligence relationship to the United States." http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18924679/ )

I. Lewis Libby was in charge of digging up dirt on Ambassador Wilson to use in push back. This was prompted by a 6 May 2003 Nicholas Kristof article that used Wilson as an anonymous source (well before Wilson wrote his own op-ed). If Libby doesn't do that digging it is unlikely that Karl Rove and Ari Fleischer and Cathie Martin and Richard Armitage et al. know that Wilson's wife works for the CIA.

Libby leaked the information to Judith Miller prior to the publishing of Robert Novak's column on 14 July 2003. He was one of a number of administration people to leak the information.

Patrick Fitzgerald's pattern as a prosector is to convict underlings, turn them using the carrot of reduced sentences, and then go after the next person in the food chain. By commuting Libby's sentence, President Bush effectively kneecapped Fitzgerald. The investigation was temporarily stonewalled by Libby's obstruction of justice, his making of false statements to investigators and his perjury. With the commutation, that temporary stonewalling has now become permanent. In other words, President Bush has stepped into the middle of an ongoing investigation and effectively ended it. He is completely within his rights as President to commute this sentence. And he is morally wrong to do so.

The smokescreens that you read are all after the fact. The administration clearly set out to punish Ambassador Wilson for daring to weaken the pre-war claims about Saddam Husseins ability to provide al Qaeda with a nuclear weapon that they would then use against an American city. The administration outted his wife Valerie Plame, who was working covertly in an area that is vital to national security, because it was the most powerful weapon they were able to unearth against Wilson. Whether or not this was a legal thing to do or whether or not this damaged our national security did not enter into their decision making process. This administration realizes that they can do whatever they want and their enablers will work out the excuses after the fact.

When the administration was unable to stop an investigation before it started, Libby fell on his sword and obstructed justice to protect those who gave him his orders. And he was rewarded, even before the appeal process has run its course, by the President making sure that he will not serve a day in jail for his obstruction. The message is clear: if you subvert justice to protect the President and Vice President from being held accountable for their transgressions you will not be punished.

Bringing integrity back to the oval office? Methinks that word doesn't mean what they think it means.

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Wednesday, July 4, 2007 5:57 PM

Thanks Soup, for the clarification. The evidence is available for all to see, if they want to do just a little searching.

On this Independence Day, as I think back to all of the incredible blunders made by this administration, all I can do is shake my head and wonder what the future holds for this nation. I just feel that we have lost so much in the last six and a half years, and yet this president still has more than a year to cause more harm than he already has. If Bush/Cheney go into full batshit crazy cowboy mode, we could all be in for a long, dark eighteen months ahead.

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Wednesday, July 4, 2007 11:48 PM

America loves a winner!

Sorry Soup, but your info is in error. Wilson claimed he was sent to Niger via orders of the V.P. He wasn't. That's lie one. Also, it makes zero rational sense for Libby to 'dig up dirt' on Wilson in the manner you suggest, simply because it doesn't achieve the ends which Cheney allegedly is looking for, to hurt Wilson. Seems he made him more a celeb of the Left than he could have dreamed.
Val Plame was NOT actively covert at the time of Wilson's trip to Niger. This entire case was about the Wilsons, being against the war and hating Bush , setting up the administration with a bogus claim of having been 'outed'.

The investigation WAS over before it started, as Fitzgerald had his leaker, in Richard Armitage, but he still needed to convict someone. Libby was the best he could come up with, who gave testimony which was no less spotty than Tim Russert. And yet Libby gets charged , and Armitage skates ? Please.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Thursday, July 5, 2007 12:41 AM