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Originally posted by Succatash:

I cried during it. I was entertained and I learned and I laughed.

Jason, go see it, and come back and refute it. Just don't make fun of me because I cried, that's not cool.

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Originally posted by Succatash:

I saw Michael Moore yesterday on Jon Stewart's The Daily Show.

Jon Stewart asked him, "Were you fair to Bush?" and Moore answered immediately, "No."

Fahrenheit is not a news story, this is Mike's opinion and his admitted attempt to remove Bush from the White House.

I think he did a hell of a job and made a great movie.

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Moore: Pirate My Film, No Problem (since I already got paid $100-million)

VIDEO DOWNLOAD:
http://piratenews.org/video-archive.html

Fury as Fahrenheit 9/11 director backs allegedly "illegal" not-for-profit downloads - Controversial film-maker Michael Moore has welcomed the appearance on the internet of pirated copies of his anti-Bush documentary Fahrenheit 9/11 and claimed he is happy for anybody to download it free of charge. The activist, author and director told the Sunday Herald that, as long as pirated copies of his film were not being sold, he had no problem with it being downloaded. “I don’t agree with the copyright laws and I don’t have a problem with people downloading the movie and sharing it with people as long as they’re not trying to make a profit off my labour. I would oppose that,” he said. “I do well enough already and I made this film because I want the world, to change. The more people who see it the better, so I’m happy this is happening.” Moore’s views have not been well received by Hollywood’s establishment, which is fighting a war against the online pirates it claims cost the industry £1.6 billion a year in lost sales. Jack Valenti, the outgoing president of the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA), an industry that steals billions of dollars in "venture capital" from private pension funds and from government CAFR pension funds, said: “Piracy is having a dramatic impact on the creators and copyright owners of this nation, and its defeat depends largely on the commit ment and resolve of the entire industry. File sharing causes tremendous financial loss to the movie business, untold hardship to support workers, and costs thousands of jobs.” Distributed via websites such as suprnova.org, which lays claim to having served more than 17 million downloads, Moore’s documentary critique of the Bush administration’s red, white and blue rush into war with Iraq is among the web’s hottest properties. Thousands of copies of Fahrenheit 9/11 have already been downloaded, each taking about 3.5 hours over a broadband connection. Moore said: “Is it wrong for someone who’s bought a film on DVD to let a friend watch it for free? Of course it’s not. It never has been and never will be. I think information, art and ideas should be shared.”

By MichaelMoore.com

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According to the FBI documents, incredibly not a single Saudi national nor any of the bin Laden family members possessed any information of investigative value.

“Eight days after the worst terrorist attack in U.S. history, Osama bin Laden possibly charters a flight to whisk his family out of the country, and it’s not worth more than a luggage search and a few brief interviews?” asked Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton.

U.S. District Court Judge Richard W. Roberts ordered the FBI to resubmit “proper disclosures” to the Court and Judicial Watch, having previously criticized the adequacy of redaction descriptions, the validity of exemption claims, and other errors in the FBI’s disclosures. Incredibly, the FBI had previously redacted Osama bin Laden’s name from the records in order “to protect privacy interests.”

www.judicialwatch.org/6322.shtml

Judicial Watch v. Department of Homeland Security & Federal Bureau of Investigation, No. 04-1643
www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2007/Saudi%20Docs%202.pdf

JUDICIAL WATCH CLIENT FBI AGENT ROBERT WRIGHT SAYS FBI AGENTS ASSIGNED TO INTELLIGENCE OPERATIONS CONTINUE TO PROTECT TERRORISTS FROM CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS AND PROSECUTIONS
www.judicialwatch.org/printer_2469.shtml
www.judicialwatch.org/printer_wright10-20-05.shtml

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CIA & MI6 employee USAma Bin Laden with Bin Laden family terrorizing NY City
www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/bin_laden_fbi_let_charter_flight_afte
r_911.htm

"The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it. I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons. I have been living in the Islamic emirate of Afghanistan and following its leaders' rules. The current leader does not allow me to exercise such operations."
-USAma Bin Laden, CNN, "Bin Laden says he wasn't behind attacks," September 17, 2001
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/

"We've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming."
—WhiteHouse.gov, The Tony Snow Show, "Interview of the Vice President by Tony Snow", March 29, 2006
www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/03/20060329-2.html

"A CIA agent allegedly met with suspected terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden in July, while the Saudi underwent treatment for kidney problems at an American hospital in Dubai, France's Le Figaro newspaper reported Wednesday. Bin Laden reportedly checked into the American Hospital Dubai, a 100-bed, acute-care general hospital, July 4 and stayed until July 14. Besides a stream of local dignitaries and family members, bin Laden's visitors included a local CIA agent, the newspaper reported. The agent was widely recognized locally, Le Figaro said, and later told several friends of the meeting. Le Figaro said bin Laden had serious kidney problems, and reportedly had a dialysis machine imported to Afghanistan last year. Citing a March 2000 report by Asia Week, the newspaper said bin Laden's illness stemmed from 'a renal infection that has spread to the liver, and needs specialized treatment.'"
—Elizabeth Bryant, UPI, "Bin Laden treated at US hospital," October 31, 2001

"The goal has never been to get Bin Laden."
—General Richard Myers, chairman, US Joint Chiefs of Staff at Pentagon, video interview:
www.myspace.com/911pressfortruth

"The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11. Bin Laden has not been formally charged in connection to 9/11. The FBI gathers evidence. Once evidence is gathered, it is turned over to the Department of Justice. The Department of Justice than decides whether it has enough evidence to present to a federal grand jury. In the case of the 1998 United States Embassies being bombed, Bin Laden has been formally indicted and charged by a grand jury. He has not been formally indicted and charged in connection with 9/11 because the FBI has no hard evidence connected Bin Laden to 9/11.”
—Rex Tomb, FBI spokesman
www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm

"Operation NORTHWOODS may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government. Operation Northwoods had called for nothing less than the launch of a secret campaign of terrorism within the United States in order to blame Castro and provoke a war with Cuba."
—James Bamford, ABC News, "Friendly Fire - U.S. Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities to Provoke War With Cuba," May 1, 2001
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1
www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/doc1.pdf

"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I have no idea and I really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority. The Constitution is just a goddamn piece of paper. A dictatorship would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator. Heh heh heh."
-George Bush Jr, convicted drunk driver, convicted cokehead, convicted AWOL and desertion of Vietnam Wars, arrested for theft, arrested for vandalism, sued for rape, formally accused of perping the 9/11 Massacres, brother Marvin Bush ran "security" at WTC on 9/11/2001, first business partner in Arbusto Oil was Salem Bin Laden (brother of USAma)

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Originally posted by piratenews:
CIA & MI6 employee USAma Bin Laden with Bin Laden family terrorizing NY City

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Originally posted by bluesuncompanyman:
Do not fear me. Our's is a peaceful race and we must live in harmony.

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http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/06/28/sicko.fact.check/index.html

we found surprisingly few inaccuracies in the film

... if Americans are paying so much and they're not getting as good or as much care, where is all the money going? "Overhead for most private health insurance plans range between 10 percent to 30 percent," says Deloitte health-care analyst Paul Keckley. Overhead includes profit and administrative costs.

"Compare that to Medicare, which only has an overhead rate of 1 percent. Medicare is an extremely efficient health-care delivery system

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Originally posted by bluesuncompanyman:

Sociallized medical care is no answer. If you live in canada, you must wait and wait and wait for care. And for those ppl in canada who have $$$ guess where they go for care? That's right...the USA. So ask yourselves why rich canadians wouldn't stay in their country for their "superior" health care system.

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
...but how many Americans come North to be able to afford the medications they need to survive...

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Ragardless. Love him or hate him, Michael Moore has eaten a lot of Twinkies.

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Originally posted by rue:
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http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/06/28/sicko.fact.check/index.html

we found surprisingly few inaccuracies in the film

... if Americans are paying so much and they're not getting as good or as much care, where is all the money going? "Overhead for most private health insurance plans range between 10 percent to 30 percent," says Deloitte health-care analyst Paul Keckley. Overhead includes profit and administrative costs.

"Compare that to Medicare, which only has an overhead rate of 1 percent. Medicare is an extremely efficient health-care delivery system

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Analysis: 'Sicko' numbers mostly accurate; more context needed

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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
[B]@BabyWithThePower:

You're aware that the German system is basically socialized health care, right?

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Originally posted by rue:
If companies were freely allowed to bend their rules I can see it resulting in massive fraud. The decision-maker would literally have life and death power over the supplicants...

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Originally posted by rue:
..I imagine your family is ready for you to get off the computer and have a holiday weekend. So - have a good one !

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Originally posted by bluesuncompanyman:
His points about the failures of american care are valid, but he then directs you in the wrong direction for a solution. The real answer lies in tort reform.....not social medicine.

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Originally posted by rue:
What you're saying is that under the rules it wrote the company shouldn't pay for necessary care.

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And while it's laudable the company bends the rules for a few, have you considered what happens to the many people for whom the rules aren't bent?

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
I'd have to care about your opinion first.

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Sorry about the leg Frem...but you should be beating the life out of the people at the hospital that let you lie there.

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Until you've been there, shut the fuck up.

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Having a shitty thing like that happen to you doesn't make you an expert on the medical industry, or how to fix it.

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F the Government, F the medical community, and above all, F Michael Moore.

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"Finding the Russian scientists may be a problem being that Russia does not have a Social Security System, as here in America, that allows us to MONITOR, TRACK DOWN and CAPTURE an American citizen."
-General Colin Powell, chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff at Pentagon, US Secretary of State, Fox News, 06/17/01
www.rense.com/general77/colin.htm

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The most stunning statistic, however, is that the total number of deaths caused by conventional medicine is an astounding 783,936 per year. Using Leape's 1997 medical and drug error rate would add another 216,000 deaths, for a total of 999,936 deaths annually. It is now evident that the American medical system is the leading cause of death and injury in the US."
—Gary Null, PhD; Carolyn Dean MD, ND; Martin Feldman, MD; Debora Rasio, MD; Dorothy Smith, PhD, Life Extension Magazine, "Death by Medicine", March 2004
www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/mar2004_awsi_death_01.htm

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Originally posted by piratenews:
The problem with Moore, who is an elected Jewish politician (county school board), his SICKO apparently censors key stats on sicko USA.

Pentagon and Veterans Administration already run socialized medicine, with disastrous results. I've been waiting over 10 years for my appointment with a VA doctor, most of whom are foreign aliens (ie Pakistan home of USAma Bin Laden).

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