Liberal tries to murder American airman by Skywalken

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"If Airman Schrieken had been an abortionist or homosexual, this story would be front page news for the New York Times ..."

There is no indication he was an anti-war protester, belonged to any anti-war groups, cooperated with anyone to protest the war, was accepted anywhere, and so on. Instead, he seems to have been an individual and quite isolated nut-case, acting entirely on his own for his own reasons. Whom the paper in it's infinite wisdom has decided to use to smear the 2 out of 3 of USers who want the war to end. That does a real disservice to the truth.

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Tuesday, July 31, 2007 2:21 PM

JONGSSTRAW

My dad taught me that the first man to throw a punch is the man who has run out of ideas and lost his civility. Too bad this story hasn't made it out in the public....this tragic tale is a very ugly by-product of all the hate that is spewed, American against American, every minute on countless millions of web posts every day. Funny...some sci-fi has used a theme of a common enemy, an alien enemy as a uniter of people. This Age of Terrorism that we have ridiculously found ourselves in has not joined us against a universal deadly and brutal enemy, it has only brought our deep-seeded hatred and agendas out in the open.

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Tuesday, July 31, 2007 2:48 PM

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Any facts to support your (ahem) theory that this was anything other than an irrational person acting in isolation ?

Oh, and btw, the story with all it's fully supported rhetoric comes from MIchelle Malkin, an unbiased news reporter conveying the truth.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA ....

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Tuesday, July 31, 2007 3:19 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
Oh, and btw, the story with all it's fully supported rhetoric comes from MIchelle Malkin, an unbiased news reporter conveying the truth.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA ....

Ever link a 'news story' from Huffingtonpost Rue?

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Tuesday, July 31, 2007 3:20 PM

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Actually, never.

And to clarify, not only have I never posted from the website, I have never read it.

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Tuesday, July 31, 2007 3:32 PM

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What, no apology ?

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Tuesday, July 31, 2007 3:49 PM

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=18&t=22421

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/the-ugly-truth-our-presi_b_25
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Rue, does this ring a bell?

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Tuesday, July 31, 2007 3:49 PM

LEADB

What's Huffington post?

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Tuesday, July 31, 2007 4:02 PM

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It was emailed to me. Not only did I not know where it came from, I didn't know who wrote it.

I do have to say, whoever wrote it, it was OBVIOUSLY written as an OPINION, not a supposed 'news story'. And offered as such.

Hmmm ... I wonder if Malkin is subject to libel laws.

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Tuesday, July 31, 2007 4:05 PM

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It's either a blog or a column, I'm not sure.

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Originally posted by leadb:
What's Huffington post?

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Tuesday, July 31, 2007 4:49 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
It was emailed to me. Not only did I not know where it came from, I didn't know who wrote it.

Good to know you tirelessly research your source material before posting it. And what about the link you offered when asked by me,
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/17/AR2006
071700402_pf.html
Smoke screen?

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I do have to say, whoever wrote it, it was OBVIOUSLY written as an OPINION, not a supposed 'news story'. And offered as such.

So it was Malkin's opinion that a member of the armed forces was shot?

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Hmmm ... I wonder if Malkin is subject to libel laws.

Not sure, someone with more legal expertise will have to make the call.

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Tuesday, July 31, 2007 5:01 PM

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I'm surprised you didn't recognize this as opinion:

If Airman Schrieken had been an abortionist or homosexual, this story would be front page news for the New York Times and the lead story on CBS News with Katie Couric for at least the next month. But since Schrieken is serving in the military, even his hometown newspaper, the Columbus Dispatch, has ignored this story.

Predictably, a law enforcement spokesman says that Marren's suicide notes "were indicative of an individual suffering from mental-health problems", but that raises the question of how anyone could identify anyone suffering from mental-health problems amidst those devoted to bizarre conspiracy theories and the virulent anti-Americanism of the antiwar movement. If anything, Marren would have fit right in unnoticed.

It is also worth noting that Marren was merely following the logic of the anti-war movement's standard public rhetoric. Their language is laced with suggestive undertones justifying attacks against our military, calling our armed forces fighting the War on Terror "baby-killers", constantly invoking the specter of Abu Ghraib, and citing their grossly inflated statistics of civilians accidentally killed in Iraq and Afghanistan. Such reckless and unbalanced rhetoric (they're not quite as adept at keeping statistics on those murdered by terrorists) fuels the hatred that drives someone like Marren to violence against a member of our own military.

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Tuesday, July 31, 2007 5:09 PM

So you link a fact based yet highly partisan blog about Bush.
Skywalken links a fact based yet highly partisan blog about Schrieken and Marren.
What's the difference?

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Tuesday, July 31, 2007 5:14 PM

It's very sad that stuff like this is starting to happen and likely will begin to start happening more on our own shores, but comments like this really piss me off:

"...anti-Americanism of the antiwar movement."

Why is the antiwar movement Anti-American?

I'm a

patriot and this war is complete and utter bullshit.

Remember, this coming from the guy who has been accused of being a rabid right winger, or something along those words, in the flame thread earlier today....

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Originally posted by SignyM:
All Liberals are gun-toting lunatics who want to shoot down anyone associated with Cheney and Bush? With THAT kind of attitude, you'd think the Liberals would have successfully staged a coup by now!

Yeah... good point Signy. Aren't all you Liberals trying to take away my gun rights? Maybe this really was just a liberal plot to gather bipartisan sympathy for the anti-handgun movement. I seen the Manchurian Candidate. I know what you evil liberals are capable of.

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Tuesday, July 31, 2007 5:15 PM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

And what about the link you offered when asked by me,
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/17/AR2006
071700402_pf.html
Smoke screen?

No. I didn't have an original source, it was emailed to me the way I posted it. When I googled to find a source, that's what came up that I could access.

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Tuesday, July 31, 2007 5:19 PM

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"So you link a fact based yet highly partisan blog about Bush.
Skywalken links a fact based yet highly partisan blog about Schrieken and Marren.
What's the difference?"

First of all, I posted what was sent to me the way it was sent. Second, I never claimed the opinions within were fact, as Skywalken has done. See the difference ? One is reported by Malken AS NEWS and posted by Skywalken as such. The other was posted AS OPINION and reposted by me as such.

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Tuesday, July 31, 2007 5:36 PM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
My dad taught me that the first man to throw a punch is the man who has run out of ideas and lost his civility. Too bad this story hasn't made it out in the public....this tragic tale is a very ugly by-product of all the hate that is spewed, American against American, every minute on countless millions of web posts every day. Funny...some sci-fi has used a theme of a common enemy, an alien enemy as a uniter of people. This Age of Terrorism that we have ridiculously found ourselves in has not joined us against a universal deadly and brutal enemy, it has only brought our deep-seeded hatred and agendas out in the open.

I agree. It is pretty scary. They've not even started suicide bombing us over here yet, which suprises me, given that if they really wanted to there's NO government agency that could stop it from happening beforehand. (I submit this very story as evidence of that....)

Yet here we all are, a country divided.

What happens when the proles lose all of the little frills that make our life simple and give us loads of time to over indulge in our vices? Don't say you don't have any vices.... We all have our own unique, or not so unique indulgences. Boy, are we going to miss those when they're gone.

I know that anyone young enough to be a part of the MTV generation has heard the question many times before, but perhaps it has never been so relevant as it is now....

What happens when we stop being polite, and start getting real?

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Tuesday, July 31, 2007 8:34 PM

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"What happens when we stop being polite, and start getting real?"

Unfortunately, I believe this is fanciful. When we stop being polite we get Rwanda.

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Tuesday, July 31, 2007 9:30 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Yeah, that's prettymuch how it'd go.

What concerns me the most is that our neglected infrastructure, hanging on by a mere thread as it is, would collapse so fast that more folk would bite it from starvation, exposure and the like than violence, and the casualties would stack up far faster than any means of dealing with them whatsoever.

And all the while the authorities will be going house to house with that handy little list, seizing the only defense of law abiding citizens and leaving them at the mercy of armed gangs while they cower in their cushy, air-condited HQ.

Katrina was just a sample - regardless of how much money the Gov steals from us under the fiction of emergency preparedness, the real truth is that instead of helping anyone, they'll be too busy disarming the peons and rounding them up into those camps KBR built while creating a police state under the guise of "restoring order" to be of much if any service to the folk who paid the bills.

Given enough time, without a supporting infrastructure and effective lines of supply, even those would collapse (probably leading to the abandonment and starvation of those they've already rounded up, muchlike such camps in germany in 1945) and things would fragment into localized gangs or warlords securing what they can to survive.

Just like Rwanda, or post-Soviet Afghanistan.
People like to think "It can't happen here", but as that massive blackout not long ago, and especially Katrina showed - it absolutely CAN happen here, to deny the possibility is wishful thinking.

I have emergency supplies as needful, and can repair and maintain generator and other small engines, not to mention being capable of converting many small 2 and 4 stroke engines to alcohol/gasohol, which most folk living in this area know how to make (considering that almost everyone south of here homebrews booze) not to mention living beside a non commercial agricultural region and having an immediate freshwater lake handy - so this podunk little town would weather such a thing a bit better than most, and was mostly unaffected by the blackout.

It's entirely possible to be well prepared without being crazy or ridiculous about it, the only serious concern I would likely have is finding a decent tobacco supply, thank heavens I already roll my own and know how to, lol.

Anyhows, yeah, it could happen here, to think otherwise is just plain stupid.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Tuesday, July 31, 2007 9:33 PM

No arguement from me Rue. Sorry if I wrote it fancifully, but you pretty much got the point I was making. If we ever lose those things that keep our lives pleasant enough and we take for granted every day... the things that manage to keep our fear and loathing strictly in the blogosphere, how long until our blog-tendancies (in all blogs, not just the RWED) start seeping into the real, real world.

Who's to say if it's Rwanda or the next Revolution? Only thing for certain is when we lose those things, those creature comforts.... there will be a great change. And I don't think that "Politeness" will even be a part of the equation.

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Tuesday, July 31, 2007 10:16 PM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Just like Rwanda, or post-Soviet Afghanistan.
People like to think "It can't happen here", but as that massive blackout not long ago, and especially Katrina showed - it absolutely CAN happen here, to deny the possibility is wishful thinking.

Ain't that just the problem though Frem? Nobody believes it could happen. Almost all the food we buy in the supermarket is supplied to us by a handful of companies now, and that number continually shrinks as companies merge. Look what happend when some idiot immigrant didn't wash their hands after taking a dump and poisoned some spinach last year. Why, they took all the damn spiniach off the shelves everywhere. Don't imagine that the thought that all the spinach everywhere needed to be disposed of would have even crept into anybodies mind after a couple of isolated cases of food poisoning 30 years ago.

China sends us poisoned food, and then when Americans start demanding that we want it printed on our labels where the food comes from, we get threats from China about it. Don't imagine we would have taken threats from China 30 years ago either, let alone imported food from them. I don't care how good their economy is, or how PC our media has become.... China desires power as much as anybody over here and they wouldn't love anything more than to crush America to pieces.

What happens when somebody shits on a spinach stalk and we get 10 different cases of madcow poisoning in the US? No more beef for a while... no more spinach for a while.... what's that? Oh, birdflu got our chickens? Hmmmm... running out of options for food.

Thankfully I have a healthy supply of food and water stocked up and my trusty gun here to make sure that no other hungry people who weren't storing up their acorns in the summer invade my castle and survive off my planning.

... months later and things haven't gotten any better. Crops poisoned, extremely limited meat supplies going most of which go straight to the rich and influential. The government aid has all but stopped. Many people are on their own with nothing but their faltering wits about them, and many have already died of starvation or the heat or the cold since we've lost electricity two weeks ago.

Knock, knock, knock.... We're here to confiscate your firearms and declare Martial Law. Resistance is futile. Those who resist will be forced to submit.

.....Now I have no weapon and a few broken ribs, and a broken leg. I suppose I should consider myself lucky I didn't get killed, and they're just too busy to worry about things like putting me in jail right now. Heh... look around you fool. It's a jail everywhere now... hahahaha. As long as I can't defend myself, what do they care if I'm alive or dead or behind bars or not? I'm kind of a lame horse considering all the medical care I can get right now is with my own two hands and a manual I fortunately purchased online last year off ebay.

Knock, Knock, Knock... great... what now?

BANG! BANG! BANG!

...Guess they didn't get all the guns yet. At least while these thugs are driking all of the water and eating all the food that I managed to save up, they shouldn't be out killing other people for their supplies like they just killed me.

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I could have made that a bit more inventive and in-depth, and filled in what are obviously huge holes and plot points which would be necessary to get from point A to point Z.... but it's a real busy night here at work. You get the image though. I don't see any reason why this is universally accepted as an impossibility other than pure denial. Who would ever want to even imagine a scenario like this when American Idol is on, unless they're watching it as told by Robert Rodriguez in his next CGI-heavy special effects orgspasm?

I envy you for being so prepaired for the future without being completely crazy about it Frem. I do a lot of talk, but I know I'm not prepaired. If this all happened tomorrow, I don't reckon I'd survive long on my own, unless I was one of the thugs that killed me in the story. I'd hate to know what I'd be like when survival mode takes over and politeness is no longer an equation.

Meanwhile.... boy am I unAmerican for wanting this bullshit war to end so we can stop pissing our country's wealth and advantages down the tubes.

And boy am I an asshole because I don't want to just give our wealth and our advantages away to Mexicans who don't mean shit to me.

Wonder why everybody who affiliates themselves with one side or the other pretty much doesn't agree with anything I have to say about pretty much anything?

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Wednesday, August 1, 2007 1:00 AM

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All Liberals are gun-toting lunatics who want to shoot down anyone associated with Cheney and Bush? With THAT kind of attitude, you'd think the Liberals would have successfully staged a coup by now!-Signy

Yeah... good point Signy. Aren't all you Liberals trying to take away my gun rights? Maybe this really was just a liberal plot to gather bipartisan sympathy for the anti-handgun movement. I seen the Manchurian Candidate. I know what you evil liberals are capable of.-6ix

AH. At least YOU understood my point! Right-wingers have never seem to notice when they contradict themselves. DOH!

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Wednesday, August 1, 2007 5:21 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Nothin left to say in this respect, but a bit of useful advice for anyone with a yard at all.

Any irishman could tell you, any nitwit can grow potatoes, and they're easy to store and last quite a while.

Plant some daisy-type plants around the edge of your crop for effective pest control, and there ya go - you can cycle potatoes in the same soil for up to three years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrethrum

Information is power.

-F

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