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Obama Says He'd Send Troops Into Pakistan....

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Wednesday, August 1, 2007 9:48 AM

JONGSSTRAW


At a speech today Obama came out swinging....he wants to put more pressure on Pakistan to close the terror camps and sanctuaries, etc etc...otherwise he could see sending in troops to combat terrorists....

Wow..and holy cow! Is he my new hero? Could be!


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Wednesday, August 1, 2007 12:24 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Meh, if you wanted to send in troops to root out terrorists, you could start right here.

In Langley, Virgina.

-F

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Wednesday, August 1, 2007 1:53 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Meh, if you wanted to send in troops to root out terrorists, you could start right here.

In Langley, Virgina.

-F


I'm afraid I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. I put this post up just as the news broke on this "story" about Obama....I can actually almost hear the shrieks and gasps of horror and betrayal reverberating around the cortex of the pseudo-so-enlightened Left in America tonight. He was the newly-hatched, appropriately "chocolatized" Nagin-approved darling of those who can't support Thunder-thighs because of her diabolical and criminai WAR VOTE
....and now he's said this!!!!! I give him 32.875 hours to backpeddle and "clarify". It certainly is quite upsetting to the Brylcream-Boy Wonder Ambulance Chaser Guy's "Terrorism Is A Bumper Sticker" supporters...ya mean like "real" terrorism Barak-man? Holy Koranitronics Batman! Who's a committed, demented, naive useful-idiot fool supposed to support NOW????? Well...there's always the other fine bastions of the Jackass Party....solid citizen Teddy Kennedy, or the ever-charming, leadership-exuding bundle of diseased cuteness himself, the ex-Lollipop Guild entertainer Denny Kucijuicynich.

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Wednesday, August 1, 2007 2:29 PM

ANTIMASON


why is this news to you Jongsstraw? you have yet to realize that both parties want endless war? they're just fighting about which clique of criminals are calling the shots... and all the while you partisan mental pushovers cheerlead them on like they're doing us this great service(engaging us in perpetual warfare). you even want war so bad that you're willing to hand over our highest office to a blatant socialist like Obama... i mean this is just absurd!

but then.. maybe the liberals will take to foreign nation building and global welfare entanglements better then the so called 'conservatives', since it is firmly in their nature(again, as socialists)

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Wednesday, August 1, 2007 4:47 PM

STARRBABY


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Meh, if you wanted to send in troops to root out terrorists, you could start right here.

In Langley, Virgina.

-F


I'm afraid I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. I put this post up just as the news broke on this "story" about Obama....I can actually almost hear the shrieks and gasps of horror and betrayal reverberating around the cortex of the pseudo-so-enlightened Left in America tonight. He was the newly-hatched, appropriately "chocolatized" Nagin-approved darling of those who can't support Thunder-thighs because of her diabolical and criminai WAR VOTE
....and now he's said this!!!!! I give him 32.875 hours to backpeddle and "clarify". It certainly is quite upsetting to the Brylcream-Boy Wonder Ambulance Chaser Guy's "Terrorism Is A Bumper Sticker" supporters...ya mean like "real" terrorism Barak-man? Holy Koranitronics Batman! Who's a committed, demented, naive useful-idiot fool supposed to support NOW????? Well...there's always the other fine bastions of the Jackass Party....solid citizen Teddy Kennedy, or the ever-charming, leadership-exuding bundle of diseased cuteness himself, the ex-Lollipop Guild entertainer Denny Kucijuicynich.



I am going to sound as if I'm attacking you and trying to start a fight, but truly I am not.

Please repost this using plain English. Use people's names and nix the wittiness. I'm having trouble understanding your point, because it is shrouded in too much of your humor.

I'm only saying this, because I'd like to form an actual opinion on this matter, and I like my facts to be cut and dry. I fear I may confuse one person for another or misunderstand your point due to your joking manner.

Thanks, and please don't take this as an attack. Understand that it is due to my simpleness and preference for straight information.



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Wednesday, August 1, 2007 5:08 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


First, Obama says we shouldn't have sent in troops to Iraq. Then, he thinks we can talk to thugs pretending to be leaders of M.E. countries. Next, he gets chided by Hillary for being too 'naive'. So, to show the world he's still got his man parts with him, Obama says he'd send troops into about the one country in the M.E. whose President is actually on our side. The one country which happens to have the bomb, along w/ more than a few million in that country who'd love to use that bomb on us.....

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Wednesday, August 1, 2007 5:46 PM

JOSSISAGOD


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
So, to show the world he's still got his man parts with him, Obama says he'd send troops into about the one country in the M.E. whose President is actually on our side. The one country which happens to have the bomb, along w/ more than a few million in that country who'd love to use that bomb on us.....



If you think about it, the fact that Pakistan's president is supposedly on our side, makes it the perfect place for Bin Laden to hide! If we go in looking for him, we may lose Pakistan as an ally. If we don't, he just might get away(asssuming he is in fact there). Either way we're screwed.

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Wednesday, August 1, 2007 11:20 PM

OLDENGLANDDRY


Quote:

Originally posted by antimason:
why is this news to you Jongsstraw? you have yet to realize that both parties want endless war? they're just fighting about which clique of criminals are calling the shots... and all the while you partisan mental pushovers cheerlead them on like they're doing us this great service(engaging us in perpetual warfare). you even want war so bad that you're willing to hand over our highest office to a blatant socialist like Obama... i mean this is just absurd!

but then.. maybe the liberals will take to foreign nation building and global welfare entanglements better then the so called 'conservatives', since it is firmly in their nature(again, as socialists)





ANTIMASON, you make more "Socialist" leaning statements than anyone else I have seen on this site. Your overall stance on the nature of whats going on in the world is certainly a damn site more socialist than Obama. I truly believe that there is a genuine socialist (maybr even a Marxist / Trotskyist) in there trying to get out, you just cant as yet reconcile your gut instincts with your religious convictions.
No offence intended, just my opinion and observations.

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Thursday, August 2, 2007 1:30 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by Starrbaby:
Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Meh, if you wanted to send in troops to root out terrorists, you could start right here.

In Langley, Virgina.

-F


I'm afraid I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. I put this post up just as the news broke on this "story" about Obama....I can actually almost hear the shrieks and gasps of horror and betrayal reverberating around the cortex of the pseudo-so-enlightened Left in America tonight. He was the newly-hatched, appropriately "chocolatized" Nagin-approved darling of those who can't support Thunder-thighs because of her diabolical and criminai WAR VOTE
....and now he's said this!!!!! I give him 32.875 hours to backpeddle and "clarify". It certainly is quite upsetting to the Brylcream-Boy Wonder Ambulance Chaser Guy's "Terrorism Is A Bumper Sticker" supporters...ya mean like "real" terrorism Barak-man? Holy Koranitronics Batman! Who's a committed, demented, naive useful-idiot fool supposed to support NOW????? Well...there's always the other fine bastions of the Jackass Party....solid citizen Teddy Kennedy, or the ever-charming, leadership-exuding bundle of diseased cuteness himself, the ex-Lollipop Guild entertainer Denny Kucijuicynich.



I am going to sound as if I'm attacking you and trying to start a fight, but truly I am not.

Please repost this using plain English. Use people's names and nix the wittiness. I'm having trouble understanding your point, because it is shrouded in too much of your humor.

I'm only saying this, because I'd like to form an actual opinion on this matter, and I like my facts to be cut and dry. I fear I may confuse one person for another or misunderstand your point due to your joking manner.

Thanks, and please don't take this as an attack. Understand that it is due to my simpleness and preference for straight information.





Sorry friend...I'm not here to post facts. This is just a single, simple news story of the day, and I found it rather shocking and humorous that Obama would make these statements considering what his positions have been all along...it's up to you to read about the the facts yourself. I try to take these issues that are debated here every day with a grain of salt, tongue in cheek if you will....nothing anyone writes here means diddly-squat in the real world anyway, so why not have some fun with the endless absurdities of all sides to these topics?

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Thursday, August 2, 2007 1:56 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by antimason:
why is this news to you Jongsstraw? you have yet to realize that both parties want endless war? they're just fighting about which clique of criminals are calling the shots... and all the while you partisan mental pushovers cheerlead them on like they're doing us this great service(engaging us in perpetual warfare). you even want war so bad that you're willing to hand over our highest office to a blatant socialist like Obama... i mean this is just absurd!

but then.. maybe the liberals will take to foreign nation building and global welfare entanglements better then the so called 'conservatives', since it is firmly in their nature(again, as socialists)


You don't really believe that Antimason, do you? You sound like you've given up hope that any politician can do anything right. I have a strong belief that all Americans truly want peace, and peace will come in time. When you're facing an enemy that will never go away, never, never, never (ask Israel} I think you need different tactics than ground troops getting blown up every day to control it and protect all of us. The Democrats, of which Obama is a serious candidate, have played the peace by surrender card at the wrong times in my opinion....it has sounded to me all along like pure politics, plain & simple, with callous dis-regard for the morale of the troops. I have also posted numerous times that I have totally lost faith in Bush, Republicans, and the entire Bush Administration...I have called for Rumsfeld to tried for Treason, and other Republicans too.
You wanna know when I first realized their gross incompetence?....when I sat there watching the Iraqi looting going on right in front of our troops...and that f'ing retard Rumsfeld said...well they're just folks doing what they do! That to me was the biggest blunder of them all, setting the tone for a future atmosphere of choas and criminality there.
And finally, I'd like you to understand that...
I never wanted this war
I never approved one penny for it
I never really gave a rat's patoot about "suffering" Iraqis under Sadaam
I don't think they'll ever live democratically there, because of their religion(s)
I very much do want America out of there, but I really don't want to see another 1975 Saigon, with a humiliating retreat, and an ensuing bloodbath of millions of innocents and friends that we betrayed. And gorram it...I applaud Obama for pointing the finger at Pakistan...their support for us and freedom has been as ridiculous as Gonzales' Congessional testimony of deceit and lies....if Obama next went after Saudi Arabia, this ex-neo-con, redneck, ignorant Republithug nazi troll would be a fan and supporter of him overnight.



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Thursday, August 2, 2007 5:28 AM

KANEMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Meh, if you wanted to send in troops to root out terrorists, you could start right here.

In Langley, Virgina.

-F


I'm afraid I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. I put this post up just as the news broke on this "story" about Obama....I can actually almost hear the shrieks and gasps of horror and betrayal reverberating around the cortex of the pseudo-so-enlightened Left in America tonight. He was the newly-hatched, appropriately "chocolatized" Nagin-approved darling of those who can't support Thunder-thighs because of her diabolical and criminai WAR VOTE
....and now he's said this!!!!! I give him 32.875 hours to backpeddle and "clarify". It certainly is quite upsetting to the Brylcream-Boy Wonder Ambulance Chaser Guy's "Terrorism Is A Bumper Sticker" supporters...ya mean like "real" terrorism Barak-man? Holy Koranitronics Batman! Who's a committed, demented, naive useful-idiot fool supposed to support NOW????? Well...there's always the other fine bastions of the Jackass Party....solid citizen Teddy Kennedy, or the ever-charming, leadership-exuding bundle of diseased cuteness himself, the ex-Lollipop Guild entertainer Denny Kucijuicynich.




Wow!!! Jongsstraw this had me in stitches...Ouch!!!

Ignore Starbaby...If she wants serious debate she can attend her local town-hall meeting........

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Thursday, August 2, 2007 7:36 AM

STARRBABY


Quote:

Originally posted by kaneman:
Quote:



Ignore Starbaby...If she wants serious debate she can attend her local town-hall meeting........



Don't be a dick.

I thought the humor was quite witty, and I am impressed w/ Jongsstraw's sense of satire. I just wanted to make sure I understood the point.

JS's reply was fine and courteous. Apparently, I was understood when I said I meant no ill will in my statement.

I repeat - don't be a dick. I'm one of the few remaining people on this board who hasn't considered calling a hit out on you. Personal attacks make me want to reconsider that, and you need all the friends you can get.

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Thursday, August 2, 2007 8:29 AM

FREMDFIRMA


To at least clarify MY end of things, I meant that the CIA (based in Langley, VA) has inflicted more terrorism on our people than any foreign foe or combination of them has ever dreamed of.

And I have no idea what the hell he said either Starr, really I don't...

-F

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Thursday, August 2, 2007 9:11 AM

FLETCH2



Translation for Sugar.


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

I'm afraid I have no idea what that is supposed to mean.




The CIA is based in Langley WV Frem suggested that attacking there was a good place to find terrorists. JS either didn't understand the reference or discounted Frem's opinion.



Quote:




I put this post up just as the news broke on this "story" about Obama....I can actually almost hear the shrieks and gasps of horror and betrayal reverberating around the cortex of the pseudo-so-enlightened Left in America tonight.




JS believes the American left will be horrified with Obama's willingness to take military action given their distaste of the current war in Iraq.

Quote:


He was the newly-hatched, appropriately "chocolatized" Nagin-approved darling of those who can't support Thunder-thighs because of her diabolical and criminai WAR VOTE....and now he's said this!!!!! I give him 32.875 hours to backpeddle and "clarify".




JS sees Obama as the new darling of the left having the "correct" minority background and lacking the perceived stigma of Hilary's previous pro war stance. The implication being that he's tarnished his image with the peace orientated activists in his party by sabre ratling. JS expects a retraction to please anti war activists.

Quote:



It certainly is quite upsetting to the Brylcream-Boy Wonder Ambulance Chaser Guy's "Terrorism Is A Bumper Sticker" supporters...




a reference to John Edwards supporters.

Quote:



ya mean like "real" terrorism Barak-man? Holy Koranitronics Batman! Who's a committed, demented, naive useful-idiot fool supposed to support NOW?????




Who will get the support of the "usefull idiot" peace lobby now?

Quote:



Well...there's always the other fine bastions of the Jackass Party....solid citizen Teddy Kennedy, or the ever-charming, leadership-exuding bundle of diseased cuteness himself, the ex-Lollipop Guild entertainer Denny Kucijuicynich.


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Thursday, August 2, 2007 9:57 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch2:

Translation for Sugar.


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

I'm afraid I have no idea what that is supposed to mean.




The CIA is based in Langley WV Frem suggested that attacking there was a good place to find terrorists. JS either didn't understand the reference or discounted Frem's opinion.



Quote:




I put this post up just as the news broke on this "story" about Obama....I can actually almost hear the shrieks and gasps of horror and betrayal reverberating around the cortex of the pseudo-so-enlightened Left in America tonight.




JS believes the American left will be horrified with Obama's willingness to take military action given their distaste of the current war in Iraq.

Quote:


He was the newly-hatched, appropriately "chocolatized" Nagin-approved darling of those who can't support Thunder-thighs because of her diabolical and criminai WAR VOTE....and now he's said this!!!!! I give him 32.875 hours to backpeddle and "clarify".




JS sees Obama as the new darling of the left having the "correct" minority background and lacking the perceived stigma of Hilary's previous pro war stance. The implication being that he's tarnished his image with the peace orientated activists in his party by sabre ratling. JS expects a retraction to please anti war activists.

Quote:



It certainly is quite upsetting to the Brylcream-Boy Wonder Ambulance Chaser Guy's "Terrorism Is A Bumper Sticker" supporters...




a reference to John Edwards supporters.

Quote:



ya mean like "real" terrorism Barak-man? Holy Koranitronics Batman! Who's a committed, demented, naive useful-idiot fool supposed to support NOW?????




Who will get the support of the "usefull idiot" peace lobby now?

Quote:



Well...there's always the other fine bastions of the Jackass Party....solid citizen Teddy Kennedy, or the ever-charming, leadership-exuding bundle of diseased cuteness himself, the ex-Lollipop Guild entertainer Denny Kucijuicynich.




Awesome! Amazing! You hit every nail squarely on the head. I salute you for being a better FFF citizen than me.

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Thursday, August 2, 2007 10:00 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by Starrbaby:

Originally posted by kaneman:


Ignore Starbaby...If she wants serious debate she can attend her local town-hall meeting..

Don't be a dick.

I thought the humor was quite witty, and I am impressed w/ Jongsstraw's sense of satire. I just wanted to make sure I understood the point.

JS's reply was fine and courteous. Apparently, I was understood when I said I meant no ill will in my statement.

I repeat - don't be a dick. I'm one of the few remaining people on this board who hasn't considered calling a hit out on you. Personal attacks make me want to reconsider that, and you need all the friends you can get



Starrbaby.....
My response to your response was a bit snide and un-friendly, and I apologize for that.

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Thursday, August 2, 2007 10:40 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by kaneman:
Wow!!! Jongsstraw this had me in stitches...Ouch!!!


Appreciate the compliment...thanks!

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Thursday, August 2, 2007 3:18 PM

STARRBABY


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:


Starrbaby.....
My response to your response was a bit snide and un-friendly, and I apologize for that.




Well, with a combination of sarcasm not passing well over through the typed word and my simpleness, I didn't catch on.

I took no offense

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Thursday, August 2, 2007 3:21 PM

STARRBABY


Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch2:

Translation for Sugar.


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

I'm afraid I have no idea what that is supposed to mean.




The CIA is based in Langley WV Frem suggested that attacking there was a good place to find terrorists. JS either didn't understand the reference or discounted Frem's opinion.



Quote:




I put this post up just as the news broke on this "story" about Obama....I can actually almost hear the shrieks and gasps of horror and betrayal reverberating around the cortex of the pseudo-so-enlightened Left in America tonight.




JS believes the American left will be horrified with Obama's willingness to take military action given their distaste of the current war in Iraq.

Quote:


He was the newly-hatched, appropriately "chocolatized" Nagin-approved darling of those who can't support Thunder-thighs because of her diabolical and criminai WAR VOTE....and now he's said this!!!!! I give him 32.875 hours to backpeddle and "clarify".




JS sees Obama as the new darling of the left having the "correct" minority background and lacking the perceived stigma of Hilary's previous pro war stance. The implication being that he's tarnished his image with the peace orientated activists in his party by sabre ratling. JS expects a retraction to please anti war activists.

Quote:



It certainly is quite upsetting to the Brylcream-Boy Wonder Ambulance Chaser Guy's "Terrorism Is A Bumper Sticker" supporters...




a reference to John Edwards supporters.

Quote:



ya mean like "real" terrorism Barak-man? Holy Koranitronics Batman! Who's a committed, demented, naive useful-idiot fool supposed to support NOW?????




Who will get the support of the "usefull idiot" peace lobby now?

Quote:



Well...there's always the other fine bastions of the Jackass Party....solid citizen Teddy Kennedy, or the ever-charming, leadership-exuding bundle of diseased cuteness himself, the ex-Lollipop Guild entertainer Denny Kucijuicynich.




Thanks for the clarification. That was pretty close to what I guessed, however I wanted to make sure I was completely informed of his point.

I've said this before, but I *did* think JS was clever. I was just afraid that I would miss the whole point through the cloud of satire.


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Friday, August 3, 2007 1:49 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


There's an important point here about how our ally Musharraf is a military dictator who led a recent coup to oust a democratic government -

And with it the suggestion that if we prop up his kind of regime instead of promoting democracy, then we are inadvertently fostering extremisim in the country.

Somebody more informed or with more time to research could make this point better than I - but let me offer a quote I heard from the former female Pakistani prime minister Murtaza Bhutto, who basically says that Musharraf and Islamic extremism need each other to survive:

"It is dictatorship that leads to the rise of extremist groups. Pakistan, Afghanistan, Turkey, Malaysia, Indonesia, etc are all countries that share a background of long periods of military or authoritarian rule. The best defense against extremism and terrorism is the promotion of freedom, human dignity, rule of law, tolerance and pluralism. The present marginalization of moderate political parties in Pakistan can cause blow-back in time. There is a political vacuum in Pakistan which is dangerous to the future."

Heads should roll.

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Friday, August 3, 2007 3:18 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
There's an important point here about how our ally Musharraf is a military dictator who led a recent coup to oust a democratic government -

And with it the suggestion that if we prop up his kind of regime instead of promoting democracy, then we are inadvertently fostering extremisim in the country.

Somebody more informed or with more time to research could make this point better than I - but let me offer a quote I heard from the former female Pakistani prime minister Murtaza Bhutto, who basically says that Musharraf and Islamic extremism need each other to survive:

"It is dictatorship that leads to the rise of extremist groups. Pakistan, Afghanistan, Turkey, Malaysia, Indonesia, etc are all countries that share a background of long periods of military or authoritarian rule. The best defense against extremism and terrorism is the promotion of freedom, human dignity, rule of law, tolerance and pluralism. The present marginalization of moderate political parties in Pakistan can cause blow-back in time. There is a political vacuum in Pakistan which is dangerous to the future."

Heads should roll.


Thanks for you great post. It really makes one think about how the USA determines who our friends and enemies are...look at Saudia Arabia, or so many other dicatator-run countries...pretty sad records of human rights, etc...but we are "over-our-heads" engaged in Iraq to supposedly establish a democracy...seems like a stretch beyond the pale.

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Friday, August 3, 2007 9:39 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


some people's brain must be all... twisty.... cause they aint working right
Quote:

Obama says he'd send troops into about the one country in the M.E. whose President is actually on our side. The one country which happens to have the bomb, along w/ more than a few million in that country who'd love to use that bomb on us.....
So Prez Musharraf is "on our side?" But only as long as he (1) doesn't actually have to hunt for ObL (2) doesn't have to allow us to do the hunting for him and (3) doesn't actually have to confront radical Islam in his country (4) doesn't have to secure his nukes, and (5) the money keeps rolling in.

Lovely.

With supporters like that, who need enemies?

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Always look upstream.

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