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Originally posted by rue:
US urgently needs anti-mine cars in Iraq: report
STILL ????? didn't that get managed years ago ? Oh wait, I forget which administration I was talking about.

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In your rush to condemn the Bush administration you forgot that you were against the war to begin with and it's endless monetary needs?
You just blamed Bush for not spending more money in Iraq instead of at home in areas like infrastructure, healthcare and the environment.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:


Let's review. Hitler, blamed Jews for miserable economy which Germany experienced from its involvement in WW1. Hitler tries to exterminate Jews.

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Bush, keeping America safe from Islamic Terrorist for 6+ years sicne 9/11

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while cutting taxes

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increasing revenue to the Treasury with 4 1/2 years of steady, economic growth.

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Idiot.

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
The number one priority, as I see it, is to secure our future survival by using our resources to defeat those who so desperately want to kill all of us.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
[The ONLY way to defeat the 'idea' of terrorism is to make friends with the world, and let the generation who hates us die of old age.

You f***ing morons and your one-answer approach to everything...destroy, kill, secure.

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Make friends??? Ok Mr. Chamberlin....spread you message of hope again to pre-WWII Poland, France, Holland, Greece, Romania, Czechloslovakia, etc etc etc etc etc.

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And your use of disgusting vulgarity and insults is not really necessary, is it?

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Originally posted by SignyM:
You know Rap and Jongsstraw, I have a secret for you: You will NEVER EVER be free of the threat of terrorism no matter HOW much effort you put into security.

Wow. Ain't that a bitch?

Look at Israel: they're unconstrained by our "rights" laws, have a universal military draft, issue AND USE internal passports and security checkpoints and (when necessary) curfews, have a wary and vigilant population, they look and sound just like their enemies, they even know the language... hell, they're even walling off a portion of land. They're obsessive about internal and border security. Except for literally locking down the entire country I can't think of anything else for them to do. And guess what? They still get blown up.

All it takes is a half-dozen not-so-smart people with a common grotch and they can blow up a Federal building.

It's obvious that you're mesmerized by the thought of terrorism. You guys will do anything, anything to make that fearful sick helpless feeling go away. And so in your case the terrorists have won 'cause baby, you're terrified past reason.

I know that you prolly think that everyone else is just drinkin' the Kool Aid, that nobody can see what you see, that nobody is responding with the 'appropriate" measure of concern, that we're all sitting around having fun while "they" take us down little by little... like the Eloi in The Time Machine ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eloi Nothing could be further from the truth. But YOU would do more damage our way of life than "the terrorists" could by ruining our economy and destroying our Constitution for the thought that we might be attacked some day, and badly damaged.

The FF didn't start this nation with the idea that it was going to be a "safe" thing to do, and the settlers and immigrants faced dangers that were every bit as ruinous and deadly as terrorism. So get over your PTSD, learn to live with the thought that not everyone loves the USA, and recognize that there are a LOT of dangers "out there" - many of them far more consequential than the "might maybe could" terrorist bogeymen that dominate your mental landscape.

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Kudos to your well-written piece SignyM, but your views of the world are vastly different than mine.

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What good is new infrastructure when your city gets nuked with a dirty-bomb? What good will new bridges do when car & truck suicide bombers are blowing up things in your town?

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Let's review. Bush, blamed Iraqis for miserable economy which U.S. experienced from its involvement in 9-11. Bush tries to exterminate Iraqis.

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But not safe from Katrina, illegal wiretapping, all children left behind...

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guess you could call it growth I call it lack of visible shrinkage.

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Tax Revenues: Tax receipts rose 11.8 percent in fiscal year 2006 (FY06) on top of FY05's 14.6 percent increase. As a share of GDP, FY07 receipts are projected to be above their 40-year average. (Last updated: July 13, 2007l

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Nope. Bush never did that in any form, what so ever. Strike one.

Not the job of the office of the President to keep us safe from acts of nature. Can't be done. Sorry. Oh, and there was no Illegal wiretapping, so excuse Bush for that too.

Strike Two!

Tax Revenues: Tax receipts rose 11.8 percent in fiscal year 2006 (FY06) on top of FY05's 14.6 percent increase. As a share of GDP, FY07 receipts are projected to be above their 40-year average. (Last updated: July 13, 2007l

Strike Three, asshole. You lose.

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Originally posted by rue:
Yeah, I was going to comment at length on Rap's post. Then I remembered - this is the person who says WMD's were found in Iraq. Who says the earth isn't getting warmer. No siree, not one bit !


So what if patriotic shopping drooped from his memory ? Or that natural disaster response was specifically moved under Father- I mean Homeland Security as a FEDERAL responsibility ? That the Justice Department never signed off on warrantless wiretaps for fear they were illegal ?

And so on. These things are minor in the big detour from reality he's already raken.

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I find it funny that you just make up shit to make yourself sound legitimate, regardless of the facts.

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Yeah, I was going to comment at length on Rap's post. Then I remembered - this is the person who says WMD's were found in Iraq.

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why should I live MY life in fear of a possibility that ranks somewhere just under accidently drowning in a five gallon bucket ?

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Face it, you couldn't find a clue if you were drowning in a lake of them, during clue mating season, drenched in clue phemerones.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
AU is a mental mess. He's actually a nice fellow on the Buffy threads, but here his Hyde comes out, all red-eyed and obsessed. He'll even miss my attempts at humour in my ad-h attacks above.

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It's not AU's fault, you gotta look at him just like Obi Wan Kenobi looked at Aniken after he found out he'd turned. He wanted to be mad at him and even chewed him out a bit when he was all on fire and leggless. But he wound up just walking away.

You probably know this Chris, but this is how AU's are created. Fox news has constant focus groups where they expose human sized lab specimens known as Republicans to visual stimulation, thier reactions are recorded, and the madder the Republican subjects get, the better. Then they put the most maddening visual stimulation possible on Fox News, Murdered Blond chicks, hordes of immigrants pouring over the border, Islamic Jihadists with knives in thier teeth, beware of the Hun, everything negative that happens to Hollywood folk or Democrats.

So when you look out the window and see flowers and daisies Chris, Fox News viewers see mexican imigrants jumping into thier backyard, and the cute chick next door being chased by terrorists with curvy swords, and then a guy on fire staggers by, then a viking chases him past. It's not easy being mad and conservative Chris....I for one forgive them even though they don't want me to.



If you're not on Malbadinlatin's side, you're with the terrorists.

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I usually see my curvy sword being chased by cute chicks next door.....you know G-spot...Well, it 's true.........

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I find it funny that you just make up shit to make yourself sound legitimate, regardless of the facts.

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No- THIS is yer rubber n' glue right here.
I've all but given up discussing things with you for this very reason, AU.

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AP
Revenue Collections Hit Record in April
Thursday May 10, 5:55 pm ET
By Martin Crutsinger, AP Economics Writer
Revenue Collections Hit Record High in April, Improve Budget Deficit


WASHINGTON (AP) -- Federal revenue collections hit an all-time high in April, contributing to a further improvement in the budget deficit for the year.
Releasing its monthly budget report, the Treasury Department said Thursday that through the first seven months of this budget year, the deficit totals $80.8 billion, significantly below the $184.1 billion imbalance run up during the first seven months of the 2006 budget year.

So far this year, tax revenues total $1.505 trillion, an increase of 11.2 percent over the same period last year. That figure includes $383.6 billion collected in April, the largest monthly tax collection on record.

Tax collections swell in April every year as individuals file their tax returns by the deadline.

For the first seven months of this budget year, which began Oct. 1, revenue collections and government spending are at all-time highs.

However, the spending total of $1.585 billion was up at a slower pace of 3.2 percent from the previous year.

The difference in the growth of tax collections and spending is the reason for the narrowing deficit.

The Congressional Budget Office said that it now expects the deficit for all of 2007 to total between $150 billion and $200 billion. That would be a significant improvement from last year's deficit of $248.2 billion, which had been the lowest imbalance in four years.

The federal budget was in surplus for four years from 1998 through 2001 as the long economic expansion helped push revenues higher. But the 2001 recession, the cost of fighting a global war on terror and the loss of revenue from President Bush's tax cuts sent the budget back into the red starting in 2002.

The administration's budget sent to Congress in February projects that the deficit will be eliminated by 2012 even if the president achieves his goal of getting his tax cuts made permanent. They are now due to expire in 2010.

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I never said that the Fed Gov't has 'no role' in sending emergency aid and assisting in recovery after natural disasters.

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revenues dropped severely under the Bush administration.-signy
That's a lie. -Auraptor

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As our economy grows in size, the % of our defecit decreases... It's not anything I really should have to explain.

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As a share of GDP FY07 receipts are projected to be above their 40-year average. (Last updated: July 13, 2007)

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WMD in Iraq. Sorry, but I've already explained this one too.

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I DO find it refreshing that those who make Buffy/ Firefly are against Big Gov't. That should disqualify them for voting Democrat, at least. Whether they vote Republican is another issue.

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It's not AU's fault, you gotta look at him just like Obi Wan Kenobi looked at Aniken after he found out he'd turned.

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I DO find it refreshing that those who make Buffy/ Firefly are against Big Gov't. That should disqualify them for voting Democrat, at least. Whether they vote Republican is another issue.

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See, you think you're so clever.
You are FOR big government, jerk. Bush's government is big and growing all the time. So you love Bush; you love big government. You understand, but you don't comprehend
And the economy is doing well- from a tax and business POV. I measure an economy by buying power. You measure it by tax revenues. I deal in realism; you deal in comfortable spin.
So lost, poor 'Raptor.
So lost.
And such a poopy-brain.

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If we agree that Bush's expansion of the Gov't is bad, then Kerry or Gore's would have been much , MUCH worse. Instead of Homeland Security and Defense, they'd be spending the $$ on Free Cadillacs for unwed minority mothers, or luxury Section 8 Housing for illegals.

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Then the tax cuts kicked in, the economy recovered, and the Fed took in a record amount of tax revenue. What about that is so hard for you to comprehend ?

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I deal in how real the economy is, how low unemployment is ( folks out of work don't pay income taxes, you know ) and yes....by how much revenue a Gov't brings in after tax cuts.

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GWB specifically directed his office to report revenues in inflated dollars because it looks better that way!

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Over 4 1/2 yrs of economic growth, and you call it in decline.

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If we agree that Bush's expansion of the Gov't is bad, then Kerry or Gore's would have been much , MUCH worse. Instead of Homeland Security and Defense, they'd be spending the $$ on Free Cadillacs for unwed minority mothers, or luxury Section 8 Housing for illegals.

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Well this and your other answer in the "We need another 9-11" thread both share the same fallacy. So, I'll let this one sit for the night as well,; maybe you'll see the commonality and figure out where you went wrong--- twice.



In the meantime, lets' tackle the economy as the first topic of discussion, since that's where the thread seems to be going.

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Then the tax cuts kicked in, the economy recovered, and the Fed took in a record amount of tax revenue. What about that is so hard for you to comprehend ?

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Simple. The "record" revenue under GWB is LESS than the actual record amounts of revenue under Clinton if you look at constant (ie inflation adjusted) dollars. In fact, GWB specifically directed his office to report revenues in inflated dollars because it looks better that way!

Now, how do you explain the fact that the RATE of government receipts - as a share of the GDP- is higher now than the historic average?? You keep sliding past that question, but I'm going to keep asking it until I get an answer since you brought it up so triumphantly! .

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