Quote:

---

ONE MONTH from The Anniversary, I'm thinking another 9/11 would help America.

What kind of a sick bastard would write such a thing?

A bastard so sick of how splintered we are politically - thanks mainly to our ineptitude in Iraq - that we have forgotten who the enemy is.

It is not Bush and it is not Hillary and it is not Daily Kos or Bill O'Reilly or Giuliani or Barack. It is global terrorists who use Islam to justify their hideous sins, including blowing up women and children.

Iraq has fractured the U.S. into jigsaw pieces of competing interests that encourage our enemies. We are deeply divided and division is weakness.

Most Americans today believe Iraq was a mistake. Why?

Not because Americans are "anti-war."

Americans have turned their backs because the war has dragged on too long and we don't have the patience for a long slog. We've been in Iraq for four years, but to some it seems like a century. In contrast, Britain just pulled its soldiers out of Northern Ireland where they had been, often being shot at, almost 40 years.

That's not the American way.

In Iraq, we don't believe our military is being beaten on the battleground. It's more that there is no formal "battleground." There is the drip of daily casualties and victory is not around the corner. Americans are impatient. We like fast food and fast war.

Americans loved the 1991 Gulf War. It raged for just 100 hours when George H.W. Bush ended it with a declaration of victory. He sent a half-million troops into harm's way and we suffered fewer than 300 deaths.

America likes wars shorter than the World Series.

Bush I did everything right, Bush II did everything wrong - but he did it with the backing of Congress.

Because the war has been a botch so far, Democrats and Republicans are attacking one another, when they aren't attacking themselves. The dialog of discord echoes across America.

Turn back to 9/11.

Remember the community of outrage and national resolve? America had not been so united since the first Day of Infamy - 12/7/41.

We knew who the enemy was then.

We knew who the enemy was shortly after 9/11.

Because we have mislaid 9/11, we have endless sideshow squabbles about whether the surge is working, if we are "safer" now, whether the FBI should listen in on foreign phone calls, whether cops should detain odd-acting "flying imams," whether those plotting alleged attacks on Fort Dix or Kennedy airport are serious threats or amateur bumblers. We bicker over the trees while the forest is ablaze.

America's fabric is pulling apart like a cheap sweater.

What would sew us back together?

Another 9/11 attack.

The Golden Gate Bridge. Mount Rushmore. Chicago's Wrigley Field. The Philadelphia subway system. The U.S. is a target-rich environment for al Qaeda.

Is there any doubt they are planning to hit us again?

If it is to be, then let it be. It will take another attack on the homeland to quell the chattering of chipmunks and to restore America's righteous rage and singular purpose to prevail.

The unity brought by such an attack sadly won't last forever.

The first 9/11 proved that.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:


Seriously, for what we've spent on this ridiculous crap already, we coulda put a price on these bastards heads so high they'd be bringin em in by the dozens and we wouldn't have had to do jack diddly but stand there with a basket to collect em and hand out the checks.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
How bout not having a war in the first fucking place.. but that'd make just too much sense, wouldn't it ?

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:

Which do you think will be most helpful to me now?

---

Quote:

---

The questions posed by the Powell Doctrine, which should be answered affirmatively before military action, are:

1. Is a vital national security interest threatened?
2. Do we have a clear attainable objective?
3. Have the risks and costs been fully and frankly analyzed?
4. Have all other non-violent policy means been fully exhausted?
5. Is there a plausible exit strategy to avoid endless entanglement?
6. Have the consequences of our action been fully considered?
7. Is the action supported by the American people?
8. Do we have genuine broad international support?

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by BigDamnNobody: I went out drinking last night and I'm suffering because of it this morning. Should I make an attempt to try to alleviate my symptoms? You know, take an aspirin, re-hydrate, eat a greasy meal, start drinking again? Or should I sit around and lament the fact that I went out drinking in the first place?
Which do you think will be most helpful to me now?

---

Quote:

---

I went out drinking last night and I'm suffering because of it this morning. Should I make an attempt to try to alleviate my symptoms? You know, take an aspirin, re-hydrate, eat a greasy meal, start drinking again? Or should I sit around and lament the fact that I went out drinking in the first place?
Which do you think will be most helpful to me now?

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by AURaptor:
We already had one 9/11, and look where we are. I'd think the Left wing would be cheering for the terrorist next time.

---

Quote:

---

What do you mean you think they'd be cheering? They do it every day, every single day for years; alternately cheering, and defending, and emoting for their jihadist brothers...THEY SUPPORT EACHOTHER....greatly and almost lovingly assisting each team to attain their respective goals... The Left is rooting for and doing everything possible to help the terrorists; a treasonous course of action designed to put their Howard Dean/Al Franken-approved candidates in office, and keep the current cast of Pelositic Pathetics chairing all the key committees that are responsible for gay love in maple trees being legal in front of my house...aka, their well-known agenda of godless, morality-challenged secular-progressive George Sorosesque mental masterbatory fantasy vision of America...while the terrorists use their useful idiots here in America and all over the world to forestall & weaken the world's resolve to unite against them. That video we all saw of Osama & Mull-Man Omar & Zawahiri all jumping & cheering at the buildings coming down on 911 was NOT about their success in killing thousands of innocent people of all religions and origins..NO NO...they were gleefully ecstatic and cheering with tears that it wasn't gonna take but a few minutes before the momentarily-silenced Left would be out in force as they hoped and counted on blaming America and Bush and Christianity & Jews for their little gift to us...heck, another 911 attack killing thousands of people(preferably in a Red State), would send the Left into a frenzied overdose of happiness and joy....they'd all be out there in one of their Soros organized-funded demonstrations holding up signs (printed by Haliburton's silly protestors' sign division) with sayings like : We Love Islamic Beheaders, or Slit My Throat Next Achmed, and Clean Towels and Sheets For Our Al Qaida-Caucus Democrats Free Here, and Stone Me, My Bearded Brothers, I Peeked At Your Camel's Tits, etc. etc. And then Barbara Streisand would sing a benefit concert to raise millions for the muslim widows of the attackers.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by SignyM:
Jongsstraw- This is a joke, right? Do you REALLY believe this? Are you so warped by your fear of terrorism that you think a significant percentage of the American population is helping the Jihadists?

---

Quote:

---

I asked you several times, and I'm gonna ask you again WHAT you think the threat really is and how you project it taking place. You never did answer my questions, and I'm thinking it's because you feel that a calm conversation is somehow subversive.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
ter·ror·ism (ter-uh-riz-uhm)
–noun 1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.

Sounds a whole lot like the TSA, DHS, FBI, CIA and related goons to me...

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by SignyM:
Wow. Just when I thought I was beginning to understand Rap, the fella reminds me he's in a parallel universe.

---------------------------------
Always look upstream.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Quote:

---

Please, tell me where I'm wrong.

"

---

That happens pretty much on a daily basis but does'nt penetrate, so why should it now?

Quote:

---

Originally posted by oldenglanddry:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by AURaptor:


Please, tell me where I'm wrong.

"

---

That happens pretty much on a daily basis but does'nt penetrate, so why should it now?

---

Quote:

---

How so ? We have the fake little indian, Ward Churchill, who called the victims in the WTC " little Eichmanns". We had Bill Maher express how much courage the terrorist must have had to fly the planes into the WTC..... I just think that next time, those on the Left will be cheering WHILE the attacks are going on, instead of waiting a while before telling us how they really think.

Please, tell me where I'm wrong.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by SignyM:
Wow. Just when I thought I was beginning to understand Rap, the fella reminds me he's in a parallel universe.

---------------------------------
Always look upstream.

---

How so ? We have the fake little indian, Ward Churchill, who called the victims in the WTC " little Eichmanns". We had Bill Maher express how much courage the terrorist must have had to fly the planes into the WTC..... I just think that next time, those on the Left will be cheering WHILE the attacks are going on, instead of waiting a while before telling us how they really think.

Please, tell me where I'm wrong.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by SimonWho:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by SignyM:
Wow. Just when I thought I was beginning to understand Rap, the fella reminds me he's in a parallel universe.

---------------------------------
Always look upstream.

---

How so ? We have the fake little indian, Ward Churchill, who called the victims in the WTC " little Eichmanns". We had Bill Maher express how much courage the terrorist must have had to fly the planes into the WTC..... I just think that next time, those on the Left will be cheering WHILE the attacks are going on, instead of waiting a while before telling us how they really think.

Please, tell me where I'm wrong.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

---

Well, as far as Bill Maher goes, this is his actual quote:

“We have been the cowards, lobbing cruise missiles from 2,000 miles away, that’s cowardly. Staying in the airplane when it hits the building, say what you want about it, that’s not cowardly.”

Which is certainly not what you said.

---

Quote:

---

And how is Ward Churchill's comment about the amoral nature of the technocrats supporting the terrorists? Surely you're not as simple minded as Bush and believe that "My enemy's enemy is my friend"?

---

Quote:

---

Oh, and also you're wrong in your whole political, social and above all Christian philosophy. Jesus hates you and you stand for.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by SignyM:
So Rap, have you figured out what you did wrong in both threads?

---

Quote:

---

So Rap, have you figured out what you did wrong in both threads? -Signy

Told the truth- Auraptor

---

Quote:

---

Sig...the silly assertion that it'll take another attack to unify this country was what started this thread. I suggested that not only would it NOT unify this country, that 'some' Left wingers would likely cheer on such an attack. As proof, I offered Churchill and Maher as examples where, after the first attack, Libs found ways to excuse and/ or praised the terrorist. I wasn't speaking of ALL the Lefties, but merely giving a sample of how 'some' had already reacted. Don't get pissed at me, get pissed at the Ward Churchills and Bill Maher's of the world. No mistake made on my part. Sorry.

---

Quote:

---

I'd think the Left wing would be cheering for the terrorist next time.

---

Quote:

---

What you said was It is "not the job of the office of the President to keep us safe from acts of nature." You DIDN'T say "it is not the job of the office of the President to be the PRIMARY responder". Just simply ""not the job"... Next time, try not making such broad-brush statements.

---

Quote:

---

You base your view on what Gore or Kerry would do on what Clinton DID. They aren't Clinton, and looking at what their plans were for the country, it's a valid suggestion that they'd increase the size of Gov't. Increased gas taxes, increased income taxes.....all for what ? Raising revenue ? Cutting taxes showed a better way, but no. Gore and Kerry both want MORE control of our economy to come under the umbrella of the Gov't. No thank you.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by SignyM:
ALL IT TAKES IS AN INTELLIGENT, MASSIVE SHIFT IN VOTING PATTERNS. Something that even Diebold can't cover up. But that would require a whole paradigm shift, and THAT seems to be the hardest thing of all. People willingly shackle themslves for the right to get fucked over. How sad is that?

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by AURaptor:
You mean shackle themselves to the womb to tomb mentality of the LEFT. That IS fucking sad.

Freedom will save us from the Left. Nothing less.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by leadb:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by AURaptor:
You mean shackle themselves to the womb to tomb mentality of the LEFT. That IS fucking sad.

Freedom will save us from the Left. Nothing less.

---

C'mmon Rap. Even I've read enough of Sig's stuff to know he's not wanting the left. He's more of a 'throw the bums out' kinda guy.

The question is, what to take the place of the 'old' left and right. Ron Paul is of interest, despite being a Republican he's clearly not a classic 'Right winger'. A few others. How about some 'different' thinking here? Anything we can even approach agreement on?

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Righteous9:

Ironic coming from the a representative of the party that always scoffs and jeers when we try to pay attention to what our government is doing, that you would call liberals the party of the nanny state.

You don't watch your own fucking politicians...you just listen for the talking points to tell you how to respond to allegations. You are the ones who trust too much to your government.

That isn't really the liberal mo, inspite of how often you try to label us with it. Go back to suckling on Cheney's nipple, and taking his word for it that that salty fluid is milk.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by oldenglanddry:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by AURaptor:


Please, tell me where I'm wrong.

"

---

That happens pretty much on a daily basis but does'nt penetrate, so why should it now?

---

Saying " you're wrong" and showing some one where they are wrong are entirely 2 different things. Maybe one day you'll discover this and post something worthwhile.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

---