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Friday, August 24, 2007 5:11 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Fletch- when the finger points to the moon the fool looks at the finger. And you have just shown yourself to be a fool.

I have been thinking for quite some time that the conditions of the Palestinians under Israel are almost identical to the conditions of the Jews under Germany. The parallel is almost perfect and we SHOULD be aware of it. The Palestinians have 80% unemployment. They live in a walled-in world of hostile soldiers, destruction of homes, and complete dependency for their very lives on their captors, complete with political infighting and corruption. It is the life of rats being slowly starved to death in a cage. And what does this newscast of Gazza tell us? That Israelis have become the new Nazis


You should read up on the Warsaw Ghetto and then on Gaza and THEN come back and be petty.

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Friday, August 24, 2007 6:14 AM

FLETCH2


When someone misrepresents something without saying he's doing it out of irony then he becomes a propagandist.

Of course it doesnt surprise me that you see nothing wrong with misrepresentation.....

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Friday, August 24, 2007 7:06 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I didn't find it to be misrepresentation. The facts are very real. I'm certain that Frem left those telltales in on purpose for people to discover, otherwise what would have been the point? A rehash of how awful the Nazis were? Well DUH, I think we all "get" that.

Back in the late 60's there was a Catholic encyclical against abortion. Simply substituting "Vietnam War" for "abortion" made a perfect anti-war argument as well. Because people are very contextual, they sometimes don't understand where their logic or sympathies are leading. Extending previously held viewpoints or sympathies into other areas is an education, not propaganda. It forces people to bang their ideas against their other ideas. It is in fact anti-propaganda, because propaganda wants you to hold ideas without examination.

If our sympathy towards Israel is so weak it cannot stand examination based on facts...a competition of ideas in the rhetorical marketplace... then perhaps it deserves to go the way of all baseless ideas.

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Friday, August 24, 2007 8:58 AM

JONGSSTRAW


The Boys From Brazil are alive and well.

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Friday, August 24, 2007 9:24 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


What does cloning have to do with anything ?
?
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Friday, August 24, 2007 10:16 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
What does cloning have to do with anything ?
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you like turds in your stew?

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Friday, August 24, 2007 10:54 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Ain't it funny how much folk take for granted.

Wonder how far some folk got before going "heyyy?"... just goin right along, brain out of gear like usual, just ACCEPTING the massive abuse which goes on.

I think it'a a goddamn sad set of affairs when horrors like those that shocked a nation during and post WWII, become so commonplace that folks pay only half a mind to em as they skim over it in the daily paper, if they bother to cause it's all just 'boring repetitions of the same" to them.

That we take it for granted is pretty awful, that folks consider it boring instead of an outrage is even more so, compounded by the fact that we have a direct financial stake in making it that way.

Watching folks murmur and shrug at the deaths of palestinians is in my eyes, every bit as much a horror as the killing, when those folks are indirectly financially responsible in part for all that death.

The historical parallels are undeniable, and I really do not care for MY tax dollars, stolen unconstitutionally from my paycheck, under threat of violent force and/or incarceration by the FedGov, are then given to and used for slaughter at the hands of a government I consider to be more or less the Fourth Reich.

WHY that doesn't seem to *bother* anyone else, just irks me, cause I can be a damned coldhearted callous bastard, and *I* find this .. offensive.

I have 2 questions for anyone who disagrees.

#1 - Why is it "evil" when Hitler did it to the Jews, but it's "okay" when the Jews do it to the Palestinians ?

#2 - Why is it necessary to finance and militarily protect the country that does this, in light of their repeated espionage and attacks against us and our allies ?

Cause, yanno... I really wanna know WTF goes on in the heads of people who think this shit is ok.

-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Friday, August 24, 2007 11:06 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Jongsstraw:
The Boys From Brazil are alive and well.

rue:
What does cloning have to do with anything ?
?
?
?


Jong:
you like turds in your stew?


Oh I get it ! You're using a random phrase generator that comes off like a schizophrenic !

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Friday, August 24, 2007 11:10 AM

GINOBIFFARONI


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
Jongsstraw:
The Boys From Brazil are alive and well.

rue:
What does cloning have to do with anything ?
?
?
?


Jong:
you like turds in your stew?


Oh I get it ! You're using a random phrase generator that comes off like a schizophrenic !

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"Global warming - it's not just a fact, it's a choice."



My bike is blue




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Friday, August 24, 2007 2:15 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
What


Sphinchter from hell said what! ROFLMAO!

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Friday, August 24, 2007 2:25 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Jongsstraw:
The Boys From Brazil are alive and well.


rue:
What does cloning have to do with anything ?
?
?
?



Jongsstraw:
you like turds in your stew?


rue:
Oh I get it ! You're using a random phrase generator that comes off like a schizophrenic !


Jongsstraw:
"Originally posted by rue:
What"
Sphinchter from hell said what! ROFLMAO!


rue:
The resident troll is looking to get tagged.



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Friday, August 24, 2007 10:35 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
Jongsstraw:
The Boys From Brazil are alive and well.

rue:
What does cloning have to do with anything ?
?
?
?


rue:
The resident troll is looking to get tagged.


Hey Rue-Sphinchter... So, so sorry that you have big damn mental problems that include your self-imposed, disgusting, and completely absurd egotistical Rue(d) manner, coupled with blind confrontational paranoia, that induce auto-pilot inane attacks against ideas that other people here may have. Contrary to your ultra-narrow, grimly dim-witted views of things in the world, you have no rights or domain over anyone here, and you can and will kiss my ass to atone for your miserable, nasty, argumentative for argumentative's sake asswipe idiot posts of mindless bullshit and hatred of everything and everyone everywhere. I have seen your un-provoked vileness and obtuseness follow other folk's posts here for a long time and it is quite disturbing. You are the farthest thing from a Browncoat as one could possibly be. I have patiently refused to EVER respond to you directly until now, and I will NEVER respond directly to you again, despite your pathetic pleas and desperate beggings by you for responses to your cherry-picked & confrontationally-motivated questions. Just one simple step for you to follow now...
1) Take your head out of your ass for once in your life, and look in the mirror at what stands there...a deeply un-balanced and un-happy thing that is jealous of everyone who is a human being. I'm sure there is some good inside of you somewhere; re-discover what little remains and build on it.

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Saturday, August 25, 2007 2:16 AM

MAZAEN


Jongsstraw, you should become an English teacher. That was an amazing lot of long words you used in one sentence.


Quote:

#1 - Why is it "evil" when Hitler did it to the Jews, but it's "okay" when the Jews do it to the Palestinians ?


It's evil for both. The Israeli's attack the Palestinians palestinians bomb the Israeli's and then the Israeli's attack the Palestinians. It continues and continues.....

Quote:

#2 - Why is it necessary to finance and militarily protect the country that does this, in light of their repeated espionage and attacks against us and our allies ?
Quote:



If it wasn't for the financial support, maybe Israel wouldn't have a good defence force, and they would have been invaded by other countries.


This is an unrelated completely interesting thing that happened today; my husband and I ran into a famous person when we were shopping. We were walking in a department shop in the city today and we approached a cash register and assistant to buy a powerboard. Nearby us, the Australian deputy prime minister Mark Vaile, who I'd seen in the media, was talking into his mobile phone saying something about a different floor. I thought, "wow, we passed by him". I said to my husband in whisper, "Isn't that Mark Vaile?" He said "Yes I think it is. Yes it is" And we purchased our powerboard we walked to the elevator, Mr Vaile arrived at the same elevator spot almost at the same time. He paused and we went down the elevator with the deputy prime minister following us 4 steps away down a few flights. Then we got off at the ground floor and he was gone.

My husband said Mark Vaile's wife was probably bossing Mr Vaile on the phone about fathers day shopping. Maybe it was true because it was fathers day shopping week. My husband said to me that even deputy prime ministers were not immune to the wrath of the wife. I thought that was also probably true.. They probably get in trouble for leaving their boots at the door too.


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Saturday, August 25, 2007 4:45 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


COOL!

I've never seen a famous person in real life.

Oh, wait, I have... I saw Robert Redford when they were using our lab as background for filming. I COULD have seen Russel Crowe, but family obligation prevented my from being a extra in our lab. Sigh.

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