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Everybody into the (gene) pool

POSTED BY: GEEZER
UPDATED: Thursday, September 6, 2007 15:29
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Wednesday, September 5, 2007 3:05 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


And you thought the US Government was invading your privacy.

Quote:

All UK 'must be on DNA database'

The whole population and every UK visitor should be added to the national DNA database, a senior judge has said.
The present database in England and Wales holds details of 4m people who are guilty or cleared of a crime.

Lord Justice Sedley said this was indefensible and biased against ethnic minorities, and it would be fairer to include everyone, guilty or innocent.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6979138.stm




"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Wednesday, September 5, 2007 7:08 AM

SERGEANTX


This is where we're all headed, folks. I'm reminded of an appropriate Heinlein quote:

Quote:

Political tags - such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth - are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire. The former are idealists acting from highest motives for the greatest good of the greatest number. The latter are surely curmudgeons, suspicious and lacking in altruism. But they are more comfortable neighbors than the other sort.


SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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Wednesday, September 5, 2007 8:49 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


The govt claims that DNA helps them solve 20,000 cases a year. It would be reasonable to ask them whether the majority of perps are found in the ranks of the previously convicted, whose DNA has a good reason to be on file... or the presumed innocent, whose DNA has no good reason to be onfile.

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Wednesday, September 5, 2007 1:21 PM

LEADB


The US can probably have a law like this soon... just have to link it to terrorist or 9/11. We can call it... The Patriotic Spit on Terrorists Act!

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Wednesday, September 5, 2007 1:32 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


They already get our fingerprints for driver's licenses. Now I know what they say - driving is a privilege not a right, and so your rights haven't been infringed on. So they'll just attached DNA samples to something like that - you don't NEED a social security card, do you ???

BTW - the only group I know that fights against that kind of thing is that looney ACLU.

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Wednesday, September 5, 2007 2:06 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Also the Electronic Frontier Foundation (for tech stuff)

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Wednesday, September 5, 2007 2:16 PM

FLETCH2


Two points worth making.

1) The comment has a lot to do with the fact that the UK national DNA database is disorganised and potentially suspect --- dont think anyone wants to go to jail on erroneous DNA data. The Judge was in effect saying we need to clear this up.

2) There was a similar call when fingerprint evidence started to be more common. Just because someone says we should do something doesnt mean we should.

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Wednesday, September 5, 2007 2:59 PM

LEADB


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
They already get our fingerprints for driver's licenses.

Oooohh??? What state do you live in?

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Wednesday, September 5, 2007 3:01 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


California

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Wednesday, September 5, 2007 5:46 PM

LEADB


Ah, a third reason not to move to California! ;-)
Must remember to send NY state senate/house/gov a note not to follow CA lead in this case....

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Wednesday, September 5, 2007 6:13 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Fingerprints and fingerprint matching: Maybe not reliable.

http://truthinjustice.org/fingerprints.htm

Also, AFA DNA is concerned, if there is a 1/million chnace that someone else matches the five (or so) segments of DNA that are examined, in an urban area the size of LA that means that 11 people might be mistaken for you.

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Wednesday, September 5, 2007 6:43 PM

LEADB


And a slightly more recent reference to fingerprinting challenges:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg18725174.500.html
Wikipedia also had some interesting comments...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fingerprint
I definitely don't want my prints in the 'pool'.

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Wednesday, September 5, 2007 8:28 PM

SERGEANTX


I'm still of the opinion that if, and when, we create a government that can eliminate all 'crime', we will die as a society.


SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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Thursday, September 6, 2007 6:14 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by SergeantX:
I'm still of the opinion that if, and when, we create a government that can eliminate all 'crime', we will die as a society.



....but we will live in the Matrix!

NeoChrisisall

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Thursday, September 6, 2007 6:39 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
They already get our fingerprints for driver's licenses.



Not in my state (New Mexico). I've been fingerprinted to teach, but not to drive.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, September 6, 2007 3:29 PM

LEADB


NY state: fingerprinting for day-care provider employees; but not teaching nor driver's license. Though in theory, I believe the fingerprints of the employee is supposed to be discarded after the review; as opposed to being kept on-line for future comparisons.

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