Iraqi WMD's non-existence still confounding some buggers! by chrisisall

See: http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=18&t=30340

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Thursday, August 30, 2007 10:36 AM

MAL4PREZ

But Hero's post was a joke, right?

Right?

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Thursday, August 30, 2007 11:00 AM

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A very well disuised one, probably. Maybe. Possibly --- Ok ------ I have no idea.

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Thursday, August 30, 2007 11:17 AM

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Originally posted by mal4prez:
But Hero's post was a joke, right?

Right?

I fear Hero needs to believe something.
Ten or twenty years from now peeps who stuck to the WMD fantasy will be feeling pretty much like they wasted their energy holding on to that one.

For me- when I read the title of his post, I was like "No WAY! If they DID, I'm gonna have to eat some crow..." See, many are prepared to see that they might be wrong about something, and others...well, they calcify their beliefs and will die with them, no matter what.

Oswald was alone (not) Chrisisall

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Thursday, August 30, 2007 11:26 AM

MALBADINLATIN

Funny thing is how Hero is alwayd baggin on Pirate like a good arch nemesis should while debunking all Pirate's conspiracy stuff.

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Thursday, August 30, 2007 11:28 AM

Yes, that irony is not lost on me, Mal.

Chrisisall

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Thursday, August 30, 2007 12:49 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Yes sir. It's proof positive right here. Liberals got no sense of humor at all.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Thursday, August 30, 2007 2:55 PM

MALBADINLATIN

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Originally posted by Geezer:
Yes sir. It's proof positive right here. Liberals got no sense of humor at all.

One of the things about humor is that it's supposed to be funny, I think the left has a great sense of humor, Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert, Bill Maher, those guys kill me!

Now when I watch the 1/2 hour comedy hour on Fox, I need to hear a quick drum fill cymbal crash to know when they think it's supposed to be funny. And they have this laugh track that sounds like it comes from I Love Lucy days.

I guess my point is that you conservatives have a different sense of humor than liberals do, no better, no worse, just different.

Leave the hate behind Geezer, throw on those old Birkenstocks, love your liberal brothers

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Thursday, August 30, 2007 3:41 PM

RIGHTEOUS9

well, things are funny when they ring true. Problem with Hero making a joke is it rings too true to be able to determine if it is in fact, a joke.

Fox comedy isn't funny to me because it doesn't ring true. I'll make no claim to real truth verses bias, but from my perspective, the jokes don't work because they miss...they don't hit the heart of their targets.

From somebody elses perspective, the show may be hilarious. Not sure how many in that camp there are, though.

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Thursday, August 30, 2007 5:48 PM

STORYMARK

Lighten up, guys. I got the joke, thought it was pretty funny, actually.

And I pretty much hate every single Hero post on a cellular level, so that's saying something.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, August 31, 2007 2:42 AM

I actually found Hero's post pretty humorous. I figured Chris of all people would appreciate that.

I guess for the some Left-wing types humor is heavily dependent on ideology. It’s only funny if they’re sure they’re mocking the “right” people. When Hero gives them gold it confuses them.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

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Friday, August 31, 2007 4:12 AM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I actually found Hero's post pretty humorous. I figured Chris of all people would appreciate that.

Sorry, it's just that the WMD mythology has become a religion to many, so when a pro-war type makes a funny involving it, my first reaction is that they're seriously trying to promote the idea with more lies/innacuracies. A second look at the thread reveals a goofy, over-the-top quality that I missed- but then again I found the idea that you could start a war with a lie sort of goofy and over-the-top to begin with, hence my missing the humour.

Not a member of the Church Of The Divine WMD's Chrisisall

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Friday, August 31, 2007 4:15 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Apparently you right-wing-types don't recognize left-wing humor!

But actually, yeah, I recognized the joke. I even thought it was kinda funny! It would have been funnier if it didn't track some real-life serious statements so closely. I mean, didja hear the one that Bush said just recently? If we don't win in Iraq, al Qaida's gonna take over? Yeah, right- as if Iran would let them!!!

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Friday, August 31, 2007 4:23 AM

With all due respect to Hero, nobody's funnier than Bush.
But, you know, funny in a 'yeah, but out troops are paying for it' kinda way.

So, generally hard to laugh Chrisisall

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Friday, August 31, 2007 6:00 AM

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I just find it very hard to laugh over massive death and destruction.

Did'ja hear the one about the schoolbus full of little children ?? The bus driver was coming off a high and they ALL crashed !!! HA HA HA ... nah

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Friday, August 31, 2007 6:37 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Oh yeah- BTW- welcome back Finn!

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Friday, August 31, 2007 7:15 AM

Our Lady Of The Almighty WMD, ...please to remove your shoes when entering...

"We see you not, yet you are there.
We feel your presence, and the power it entails!
Yea, though we walk through the shadow of the valley of relative peace, you give us purpose.
Glory be to the WMD, everywhere and nowhere, threat without end!
It maketh Iran, and Venezuela, and North Korea into Holy Targets! (Don't know about China, though...)

If you enjoyed this sermon, please send contributions to Our Lady Of The Almighty WMD care of the Pentagon, Wash. D. C.

WMD bless."

How's that for funny Chrisisall

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Friday, August 31, 2007 7:51 AM

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You shoulda said "Care of Chrisisall"!!!!

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Thursday, September 6, 2007 8:44 AM

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http://www.salon.com/opinion/blumenthal/2007/09/06/bush_wmd/index_np.h
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Bush knew Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction

On Sept. 18, 2002, CIA director George Tenet briefed President Bush in the Oval Office on top-secret intelligence that Saddam Hussein did not have weapons of mass destruction, according to two former senior CIA officers. Bush dismissed as worthless this information from the Iraqi foreign minister, a member of Saddam's inner circle, although it turned out to be accurate in every detail. Tenet never brought it up again.

Nor was the intelligence included in the National Intelligence Estimate of October 2002, which stated categorically that Iraq possessed WMD. No one in Congress was aware of the secret intelligence that Saddam had no WMD as the House of Representatives and the Senate voted, a week after the submission of the NIE, on the Authorization for Use of Military Force in Iraq. The information, moreover, was not circulated within the CIA among those agents involved in operations to prove whether Saddam had WMD.

On April 23, 2006, CBS's "60 Minutes" interviewed Tyler Drumheller, the former CIA chief of clandestine operations for Europe, who disclosed that the agency had received documentary intelligence from Naji Sabri, Saddam's foreign minister, that Saddam did not have WMD. "We continued to validate him the whole way through," said Drumheller. "The policy was set. The war in Iraq was coming, and they were looking for intelligence to fit into the policy, to justify the policy."

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Why Bush might send over a hundred thousand US troops into harm's way from WMD - b/c he knew they weren't there.

Looks like I was right.

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Thursday, September 6, 2007 10:19 AM

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http://www.yourealyingsackofcrap.com/

Bush knew Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction (see previous post)

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Thursday, September 6, 2007 11:00 AM

STORYMARK

Cue AURaptor:

YES THEY DID! My world crumbles if they didn't.

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Thursday, September 6, 2007 11:05 AM

Cue Hero:

There is no conclusive substancial legal anti-proof that they do indeedy exist. Any drunk driver could tell you that.

isall

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Thursday, September 6, 2007 2:14 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Cue AURaptor:

YES THEY DID! My world crumbles if they didn't.

Wow! A whole two people told the president that there were no WMD in Iraq! I guess it’s conclusive. How could the president have possibly believed the countless others who said there were WMDs in Iraq, when two people said there weren’t!!!!

I bet I could find two people who say that global warming doesn’t exist – I guess we’re all in agreement then that it doesn’t.

Makes me wonder whose world you’re actually worried about crumbling.

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Thursday, September 6, 2007 3:04 PM

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Yup, they ignored this guy "Naji Sabri, Saddam's foreign minister" and went with 'Curveball' instead. Good choice.

One I'm sure you find acceptable.

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Thursday, September 6, 2007 3:17 PM

Yeah, imagine that - the White House didn’t place a high level of confidence in the foreign minister of Saddam’s Iraq.

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Thursday, September 6, 2007 3:25 PM

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Yeah, imagine that - they believed Curveball.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curveball_(informant)

Curveball's German intelligence handlers saw him as "crazy ... out of control", his friends called him a, "congenital liar" and US officials investigating his claims were surprised that he had a hangover and that he, "might be an alcoholic".

... there were many reports that Curveball was actually a relative of one of Ahmed Chalabi's Iraqi National Congress (INC) top aides.

The Bush administration ignored evidence from the UN weapons inspectors that Curveball's claims where false. Among Curveball's claims was that an Iraqi facility had been redesigned, with a temporary wall, to allow mobile laboratories to slip in and out undetected.

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Thursday, September 6, 2007 3:30 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Finn, you're a normally intelligent person but you just get all weird on this. There were many other indications that Saddam wasn't producing WMD: the whole "yellowcake" fiasco, the aluminum tube fiasco... The CIA and DIA tagged "Curveball" as unreliable long b4 he ever got Bush's attention. But Curveball's story was what Bush wanted to hear.

Furthermore, Blix had testified b4 the UN that he was within a few months of finding Iraq in substantial compliance with UN mandates. And so you have to wonder... or at least I did... what was the urgent urgency of going into Iraq? Why not just let the UNMOVIC inpsections play out?

And fianlly- where were Saddam's delivery systems? He sure didn't have ICBMs, or even reginally effective rockets. So why did we have to invade this month, this hour, this minute... CAN'T WAIT? It was all just a big show and you should have seen through it.

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Thursday, September 6, 2007 3:37 PM

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Finn, Rap and Hero. I can't remember who else.

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Thursday, September 6, 2007 3:57 PM

Many detractors want to make this appear as if this whole thing was crystal clear in 2003, but it was not, and it really still is not. The strongest reason that we’ve largely concluded that there were no WMDs at the time of the US/UK invasion is simply because we haven’t found them. Well, there are a lot of things that took a while to find, and there’s no guarantee that we still won’t find those WMD’s somewhere. In 2003, the existence of WMDs in Iraq was conjecture either way – there was really no hard evidence to support either side – so it really comes to who you want to believe. The Foreign Minister of Saddam’s Iraq wasn’t high on my list of reliable sources. And I doubt it was high on anyone’s list, if they were legitimately interested in the question.

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Thursday, September 6, 2007 4:05 PM

GINOBIFFARONI

So.....

After the wash, it appears the " The Foreign Minister of Saddam’s Iraq " now has greater credibility than the US government.

Mission Accomplished !!!!!!!!!!!

White Flour !

The Alliance said they were gonna waltz through Serenity Valley. And we choked 'em with those words. We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty.

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Thursday, September 6, 2007 4:06 PM

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Wiki

However, Tyler Drumheller, the former chief of the CIA's European division, told the Los Angeles Times that "everyone in the chain of command knew exactly what was happening" with Curveball.

Finn
And I doubt it (Naji Sabri) was high on anyone’s list (of reliable sources)
Salon
Tyler Drumheller, the former CIA chief of clandestine operations for Europe, who disclosed that the agency had received documentary intelligence from Naji Sabri, Saddam's foreign minister, that Saddam did not have WMD. "We continued to validate him the whole way through," said Drumheller.

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Curveball was Bush's cover story, and while it may not have been clear to YOU in 2003 that there were no WMD, but it was clear to many people, including me.

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Thursday, September 6, 2007 5:51 PM

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Finn- It was crystal clear to me from the get-go. All I had to do was look at the accelerating hysteria the closer that Blix came to the finish to know that it was manufactured. The same thing happened b4 the invasion of Panama under the pretext that Noriega was a major drug-runner (HA! It was all about the canal) and the invasion of Grenada. War is not always about defense.

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After the wash, it appears the " The Foreign Minister of Saddam’s Iraq " now has greater credibility than the US government.

The US government is made of lots of people. Some of them are credible. Bush- not so much. Definitely less credible than Blix. But it is frustrating when you try to reduce everything to false dilemnas.

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Thursday, September 6, 2007 6:12 PM

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So tell me, Finn. How is it that some people knew there were no WMD in Iraq while you continued (and still continue) to believe Bush ?

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Thursday, September 6, 2007 6:14 PM

GINOBIFFARONI

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Finn- It was crystal clear to me from the get-go. All I had to do was look at the accelerating hysteria the closer that Blix came to the finish to know that it was manufactured. The same thing happened b4 the invasion of Panama under the pretext that Noriega was a major drug-runner (HA! It was all about the canal) and the invasion of Grenada. War is not always about defense.
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After the wash, it appears the " The Foreign Minister of Saddam’s Iraq " now has greater credibility than the US government.
The US government is made of lots of people. Some of them are credible. Bush- not so much. Definitely less credible than Blix. But it is frustrating when you try to reduce everything to false dilemnas.

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Don't mean to frustrate you,

Bush as head of that government has set the tone, and direction of action for the rest. Anyone who had the courage to stand up, either resigned ( like a long line of Generals, Tenet maybe, likely Powell ) or were silenced ( Plame, etc ) or did nothing... and I don't mind painting those who do nothing with the same brush as the true believers.

And as a whole, my feeling is the US government has no credibility, as that has caused harm in many areas... Sudan for one

The Alliance said they were gonna waltz through Serenity Valley. And we choked 'em with those words. We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty.

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Thursday, September 6, 2007 6:27 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
So tell me, Finn. How is it that some people knew there were no WMD in Iraq while you continued (and still continue) to believe Bush ?

You don’t know any more than anyone else.

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Friday, September 7, 2007 3:06 AM

HERO

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Originally posted by rue:
So tell me, Finn. How is it that some people knew there were no WMD in Iraq while you continued (and still continue) to believe Bush ?

I think your recalling things a bit off. Most folk "knew" Iraq had a WMD program. Some people "thought" they didn't. Part of Saddam's strategy was to hide the truth. Since we knew he had them originally, but could not prove he didn't have them in 2003, then we chose to act on the collective intellegence we had at the time. That intellegence was consistant with that of our allies, Iraq's history, Saddam's behaivor, and common sense.

Was my posting a joke. Of course. I took a real world event, sprinkled a little Pirate-ish insanity and out comes some good crazy talk. I'm glad some folk were smart enough to get the joke, and glad some of you didn't cause thats funny too. But unlike PirateNews, mine had a message.

What was my message? It was subtle and had several parts: If the UN can't find the WMDs in their office how can they find them in Iraq? The WMD vials in their office is more proof of an Iraqi weapons program in the late 1990s (since thats where and when the stuff came from). But that, and the tons of munitions, missiles, and old weapons found scattered in Iraq are ignored. Did Saddam have an active program? Probably not. But there were the leavings and remnants of the old arsenal discovered and kept classified till last year. There are the remnants and leavings of the old arsenal hidden in desk drawers at the UN.

Me, I thought Saddam had a good strategy. He was never able to recover fully from the 1991 war. So he hid Iraq's weakness from its aggressive neighbors by maintaining an aggressive and confrontational stance towards US policy in the region. He undermined the western alliance of 1991 by buying wholesale lots of French, German, Russian, and UN officials with illegal oil money. He covered up his impotence by concealing the extent or lack thereof of his WMD program. It worked good, had Clinton completely fooled.

Bush countered by courting new European allies and calling Saddam's bluff. Saddam played his bad hand rather then folding when he had the chance and it cost him his life and the lives of hundreds of thousands of his people.

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Friday, September 7, 2007 4:33 AM

STORYMARK

All that anyone in this Admin "knew" was that they wanted there to be WMD.

Spin it all you like, it was a war undertaken without proof, that has turned into a nightmare, killed thousands of our troops, and countless Iraqius, because our fucktard President wanted a war.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, September 7, 2007 5:04 AM

HERO

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Spin it all you like, it was a war undertaken without proof...

There was proof because we knew 100% he HAD them and we had little or no evidence they didn't have them.

And the WMDs were only one issue in the multi-issue cause for war that the administration presented. If we had ten good reasons and 1 bad one, then the war is still good. Also the torture rooms and mass graves we discovered after the invasion are reasons we did not list prior to the war but which help justify it after the war is over. After all nobody knew about the extermination of the Jews in WW2 till we liberated the camps in 1945. Yet regardless of everything else the wholesale slaughter of millions by Hitler justifies the whole war after the fact. The same principal applies here.

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Friday, September 7, 2007 5:19 AM

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I did know there were no WMD and I posted that.

So, how did I and others know while you didn't ?

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Friday, September 7, 2007 5:34 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Hindsight is 20/20?

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Friday, September 7, 2007 5:38 AM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
and there’s no guarantee that we still won’t find those WMD’s somewhere.

...and there's no guarantee that the Romulans won't invade us next year...

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In 2003, the existence of WMDs in Iraq was conjecture either way – there was really no hard evidence to support either side –

Exactly! PRECISELY!!
And somehow you are okay with starting a war based on what you want to see in a situation....honestly Finn, a lot of times you have an argument for your perspective that I must respect, but your logic is in question, where WMD's are concerned.

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Friday, September 7, 2007 5:39 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Hindsight is 20/20?

Hindsight in 2003 ? Try again.

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Friday, September 7, 2007 5:40 AM

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So tell me, Finn. How is it that some people knew there were no WMD in Iraq while you continued (and still continue) to believe Bush ?-Rue

You don’t know any more than anyone else. -Finn

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Hindsight is 20/20?-BDN

Hey, I knew from the get-go and I posted as such. And I explained WHY I knew: The closer Blix got to declaring Iraq in substantial compliance with UN mandates, the more shrill the Adminstration got. Some of the "evidence" that they put forth was clearly unjustified. (For example, the DOE found those infamous aluminum tubes didn't meet uranium centrifuge specs and were prolly purchased for rocket engines. But one thing Bush does quite well is brush aside "techie" evaulations. It's like physical reality doesn't exist for him.) Furthermore, there is plenty of evidence from past administrations (You can include Lyndon Johnson and Maggie Thatcher along with Ronald Reagan and George HW Bush) that wars are NOT always about defense. Politics requires a BIG dose of skepticism: Nobody is going to tell you outright that they're about the f*ck yu over. BY the time they're thru spinning the story, you'll be so dizzy you'll believe it's all for your own good! Just start out with the idea that most politicians lie most of the time... EVEN ABOUT WAR... and you'll be heading in the right direction

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Friday, September 7, 2007 5:40 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
I did know there were no WMD and I posted that.

So, how did I and others know while you didn't ?

You have the same psi-ability that I possess, clearly.

Gifted Chrisisall

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Friday, September 7, 2007 5:41 AM

HERO

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
I did know there were no WMD and I posted that.

So, how did I and others know while you didn't ?

You were wrong. President Clinton, ALGore and dozens of other high ranking democrats disagreed with you.

Not to mention President Bush, Tony Blair and 95% of the world wide intellegence community.

It was you, Saddam, and a few guys from the UN. Heck, I still don't believe you. Lets face it I could plop a warhead filled with sarin gas and stamped 'Made in Iraq, March 1st 2003' taken live on video by a busload of nuns as it was removed from Saddam's bedroom minutes after he fled the building having completed a live internet sex tape staring him, Paris Hilton, and the warhead and witnessed by every person in the entire world and certified by Jesus Christ himself IN PERSON and you'd still say "but there were no WMDs, Bush lied".

Did they find a WMD program? No. Did they find WMDs and prohibited weapons? Yes, yes they did. Most were manufactured leftovers from the '80s and early '90s and no stockpiles, just some here and some there. Might Saddam have hidden more or moved them to Syria? Maybe. He sent his air force to Iran during the '91 War (except the Migs we found buried in the desert in 1993) , so there's precedent.

Tell you what. Give me ten years head start and I'll hide something in the state of California, if you find it then I'll admit I'm wrong.

H

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Friday, September 7, 2007 5:43 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
BY the time they're thru spinning the story, you'll be so dizzy

that you might even destroy you country's economy trying to respond.

Saddam was goin' for a Reagan-a-dope Chrisisall

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Friday, September 7, 2007 5:45 AM

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Originally posted by Hero:
Lets face it I could plop a warhead filled with sarin gas and stamped 'Made in Iraq, March 1st 2003' taken live on video by a busload of nuns as it was removed from Saddam's bedroom minutes after he fled the building having completed a live internet sex tape staring him, Paris Hilton, and the warhead and witnessed by every person in the entire world and certified by Jesus Christ himself IN PERSON and you'd still say "but there were no WMDs, Bush lied".

The EXACT opposite is true for you, Hero.

And you won't even see it

Chrisisall

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Friday, September 7, 2007 5:49 AM

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You were wrong. President Clinton, ALGore and dozens of other high ranking democrats disagreed with you.

At the time they were in office they did not have the additional information generated by aggressive UNMOVIC inpsections. And it wasn't "the UN" that inpsected Iraq, the inspection team included Scott Ritter AND David Kay. I listened carefully to what they were doing and how they were doing it, and it didn't seem possible that Saddam would be producing WMD in meaningful quantities w/o it being detected. You have to pay attention to information as it comes in, not get stuck in 5-year-old data.

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Lets face it I could plop a warhead filled with sarin gas and stamped 'Made in Iraq, March 1st 2003' taken live on video by a busload of nuns as it was removed from Saddam's bedroom minutes after he fled the building having completed a live internet sex tape staring him, Paris Hilton, and the warhead and witnessed by every person in the entire world and certified by Jesus Christ himself IN PERSON and you'd still say "but there were no WMDs, Bush lied".

Is that the best you can come up with????

Why did you even post?

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Tell you what. Give me ten years head start and I'll hide something in the state of California, if you find it then I'll admit I'm wrong.

Is it bigger than a breadbox? Tell you what- you "hide" a uranium weapons program in California, or the ability to produce 5 tons of Sarin... or the ability to produce 25,000 liters of liquid anthrax and you win.

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Friday, September 7, 2007 5:54 AM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

"You were wrong. President Clinton, ALGore and dozens of other high ranking democrats disagreed with you."

No, I was right.

Now maybe in your line of work (court clerk) you spend your time thinking about how things could have been construed and how to work with innuendo, but in my line of work (scientist) I deal with data and facts.

So, what did I know that made me right and you wrong ?

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"Global warming - it's not just a fact, it's a choice."

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Friday, September 7, 2007 6:41 AM