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Originally posted by SignyM:
ARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!


God! I just want to ram my head into a wall! It might feel better than reading this.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/05/AR2007
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For six decades, they held their silence.
The group of World War II veterans kept a military code and the decorum of their generation, telling virtually no one of their top-secret work interrogating Nazi prisoners of war at Fort Hunt.
Several of the veterans, all men in their 80s and 90s, denounced the controversial techniques. And when the time came for them to accept honors from the Army's Freedom Team Salute, one veteran refused, citing his opposition to the war in Iraq and procedures that have been used at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba.

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Better to shit on it a little when needed, then to adhere to it as if it's an un-flexible FUCKING SUICIDE PACT.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Auraptor, perhaps you haven't noticed that some of the folks tortured by "the system" were... ahhh.... innocent?

Yeah, that'll keep us safe alright: Torturing the innocent and creating a system where that happens w/o review and w/ impunity. Nice logic.

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Yes, because torturing innocent people and spying on 35 million Americans is a GREAT way to fight terrorism! HEY! I have an idea! Why don't we grab Jongsstraw and string him/her up as a warning? That'll work for sure against them terrorists! 'Cause grabbing people at random off the streets... that's powerful, man.

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Originally posted by rue:
Frem, Veteran, SergeantX, CTS, 6-string - anything ?

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Originally posted by rue:
Personally, I'm going to give as much as I can to the FSF and ACLU. If there's a demonstration - I'm going to join it. And I'm going to write, write, write to members Congress. And think of anything else I can do.

Or maybe I'll just sit on my duff and complain ...

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The justices’ refusal to take the case of Khaled el-Masri let stand a March 2 ruling by the United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit, in Richmond, Va. That court upheld a 2006 decision by a federal district judge, who dismissed Mr. Masri’s lawsuit on the grounds that trying the case could expose state secrets.

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Originally posted by rue:
DANG ! I was going to PM a few people to say that's what you'd say. Too bad I didn't have the time.

Let me ask you this - if there was no apparatus, no kidnapping, rendition and torture - and he wasn't a terrorist (seeing as how they let him go) - what state secrets could POSSIBLY be revealed by bringing this to trial ?

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Originally posted by rue:
I've been reading the 'bury guns' thread.

I wonder how packing a pistol, or even a rifle, is going to do any good when the SWAT team outguns you and you get 'disappeared'.

All you supposed libertarians out there - you going to get up on your hind legs about this ??


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Originally posted by rue:
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"dismissed Mr. Masri’s lawsuit on the grounds that trying the case could expose state secrets."

That's an admission - that they DID something with him that's a state secret. Something about kidnapping, rendition and torure.

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The justices’ refusal to take the case of Khaled el-Masri let stand a March 2 ruling by the United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit, in Richmond, Va. That court upheld a 2006 decision by a federal district judge, who dismissed Mr. Masri’s lawsuit on the grounds that trying the case could expose state secrets.

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Originally posted by rue:
"I would assume that to challenge his case names/places/techniques would have to be revealed."

But the judges didn't reject it on the basis of merit, which they could have. If they had said it had no merit then you might have a point.

They rejected it b/c they felt a greater good would be served by keeping state secrets.

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Originally posted by rue:
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"dismissed Mr. Masri’s lawsuit on the grounds that trying the case could expose state secrets."

That's an admission - that they DID something with him that's a state secret. Something about kidnapping, rendition and torure.

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Originally posted by rue:
You keep saying over and over that all the supreme court did was uphold the lower courts on procedural terms. Big deal. You keep avoiding the decisions of the lower courts.

The lower courts did NOT dismiss the case for lack of merit or lack of jurisdiction. That has meaning which you refuse to address.





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