Jose Padilla by AURaptor

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Jose Padilla

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Saturday, November 3, 2007 4:15 AM

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José Padilla (born October 18, 1970), also known as Abdullah al-Muhajir or Muhajir Abdullah is a United States citizen convicted of aiding terrorists. Padilla (see Names below) was arrested in Chicago on May 8, 2002, and was detained as a material witness until June 9, 2002, when President Bush designated him an illegal enemy combatant and transferred him to a military prison, arguing that he was thereby not entitled to trial in civilian courts. However, on January 3, 2006, he was transferred to a Miami, Florida jail to face criminal conspiracy charges. José Padilla was found guilty of all charges against him on August 16, 2007 by a federal jury, which found that he conspired to kill people in an overseas jihad and to fund and support overseas terrorism. He is scheduled to be sentenced on December 5, 2007.

aliases: José Rivera, José Alicea, José Hernandez, and José Ortiz.

"Hillary tried to get a million dollars for the Woodstock museum. I understand it was a major cultural and pharmaceutical event. I couldn't attend. I was tied up at the time." - John McCain

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

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Saturday, November 3, 2007 4:38 AM

LEADB

The following appears to be a reasonably concise summary of Padilla's course through courts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Padilla_%28prisoner%29

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Saturday, November 3, 2007 5:55 AM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by leadb:
The following appears to be a reasonably concise summary of Padilla's course through courts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Padilla_%28prisoner%29

That's exactly where I got that quote above.

"Hillary tried to get a million dollars for the Woodstock museum. I understand it was a major cultural and pharmaceutical event. I couldn't attend. I was tied up at the time." - John McCain

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Saturday, November 3, 2007 7:21 AM

LEADB

Oh yeh, it is in there. Just providing the link so folks could read more.

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Saturday, November 3, 2007 11:26 AM

FREMDFIRMA

So did he confess also to Witchcraft, Sodomy, Heresy and Cavorting with the Devil by firelight ?

Oh wait.. sorry, same methods, different time frame.

-Frem

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Saturday, November 3, 2007 11:56 AM

LEADB

Actually, the best I can tell, the guilty pleas he put out were basically nullified by the Administration's change in tactics. The convictions they obtained were from the empaneled jury, and they were all on 'conspiracy' charges.

I have to admit to mixed feelings on this one; my gut tells me he belongs in prison; but my brain tells me they clearly trampled his rights and set some horrible precedents in the process. It really bugs the crud out of me they pulled Padilla out of federal holding before the Supreme Court assessed if they would review the case (this is regarding this part: "On April 3, 2006, the U.S. Supreme Court declined ... to hear Padilla's appeal from the 4th Circuit Court's decision ")

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Saturday, November 3, 2007 1:24 PM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
So did he confess also to Witchcraft, Sodomy, Heresy and Cavorting with the Devil by firelight ?

Oh wait.. sorry, same methods, different time frame.

-Frem

Clearly, you're of the opinion that a terrorist has the Constitutinal right to kill dozens if not hundreds of innocents THEN get thrown in jail, but not before.

"Hillary tried to get a million dollars for the Woodstock museum. I understand it was a major cultural and pharmaceutical event. I couldn't attend. I was tied up at the time." - John McCain

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Saturday, November 3, 2007 1:54 PM

CITIZEN

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Clearly, you're of the opinion that a terrorist has the Constitutinal right to kill dozens if not hundreds of innocents THEN got throwin in jail, but not before.

I think he's under the impression that everyone deserves due process to prevent another round of McCarthyism. Opening up due process to everyone isn't about protecting the guilty (as you seem to wish to portray it), it's about protecting the innocent.

As for the rest, it's a deeply philosphical question, raised in the Phillip K Dick story 'Minority Report' and the film of the same name. Is someone a murderer if they're arrested prior to committing a murder?

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Saturday, November 3, 2007 2:49 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Innocent till proven guilty.

One of the concepts, the rights - we're supposed to be "protecting" with this counterproductive idiocy.

If we become what we're supposedly fighting against in the doing of it, then we have lost just as surely as if we'd been conquered.

Our own means and methods are a greater threat to us than any of these pathetic and incompetent 'enemies' they keep holding up to us, one of which has likely been dead since december 2001.

It's really time to quit pretending this insanity has anything to do with protecting our rights and freedoms, both sides would like to take them from us, and one of em is not only capable, but actively doing so.

That being said, which one am I gonna consider the greater threat ?

-Frem

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Saturday, November 3, 2007 3:05 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

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Originally posted by citizen:
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I think he's under the impression that everyone deserves due process to prevent another round of Macarthurism.

Well, he did say, " I shall return."

McCarthyism, dude, not Macarthurism. whole 'nother dude. One of 'em was a Congressman in a cheap suit, the other was an Army General, led WW2 in the Pacific, smoked a corncob pipe.

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Saturday, November 3, 2007 3:09 PM

CITIZEN

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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
Well, he did say, " I shall return."

McCarthyism, dude, not Macarthurism. whole 'nother dude. One of 'em was a Congressman in a cheap suit, the other was an Army General, led WW2 in the Pacific, smoked a corncob pipe.

You're right, so changed.

One fought Fascists, the other was one.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Saturday, November 3, 2007 4:59 PM

AURAPTOR

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McCarthy really wasn't that bad of a guy, truth be told. More importantly, he was probably more right than anyone wants to admit.

"Hillary tried to get a million dollars for the Woodstock museum. I understand it was a major cultural and pharmaceutical event. I couldn't attend. I was tied up at the time." - John McCain

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Saturday, November 3, 2007 5:58 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

Here's the sane court briefs versus this insane thread:
http://fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=18&t=31326

Padilla was effectively denied habeus corpus by US Supreme Court, when the White House was forced to remove Padilla from torture in a military martial law death camp gulag, and torture him in a civilian death camp gulag.

Funny how Keifer "I Love 24 Hours Of Torture" Sutherland is rotting 48 days in a civilian death camp gulag, FOR REAL, for his 4th DUI conviction. Funny how the Abu Ghraib guards are now convicted for torture and are rotting in military death camps. What goes around comes around.

I look forward to the day all NeoCons are waterboarded to death in Gitmo, starting with George DWI Bush.

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Saturday, November 3, 2007 6:09 PM

VETERAN

Don't squat with your spurs on.

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
....If we become what we're supposedly fighting against in the doing of it, then we have lost just as surely as if we'd been conquered.

It's really time to quit pretending this insanity has anything to do with protecting our rights and freedoms, both sides would like to take them from us, and one of em is not only capable, but actively doing so.

That being said, which one am I gonna consider the greater threat ?

-Frem

Well said. Too bad not enough American Voters got it last election and we failed to get the veto proof majority we needed in congress to balance a run-away presidency.

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Saturday, November 3, 2007 9:45 PM

SERGEANTX

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
McCarthy really wasn't that bad of a guy, truth be told.

I'd always assumed he was a personal hero for you rap.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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Saturday, November 3, 2007 11:44 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Well Vet, problem with that in the first place is the Dems are a buncha fekkin pansies who couldn't make a damn decision on anything if their lives depended on it - yet on the other hand you have a buncha berks who'll run with an obviously bad decision until it's not possible anymore so they don't get accused of flip-flopping.

We oughta throw the whole feckless lot of em in the potomac chained to boat anchors as an example of our displeasure...

Yanno, there's not a bad idea of that...

Have every seat in congress capable of delivering a lethal dose of voltage, and if 51% of your constituency pushes the terminate button at the same time - it goes off.

Yes, I'm kidding, but it makes for some awfully funny mental images...
(apologies to HKCav.. but I don't consider politicians human enough to have empathy for.)

Seriously tho... speaking as an Anarchist, the truth is that we don't need em, these parasites need us, is what it is, and the last thing they ever want is for us to figure THAT out, cause then they'd be out of a sweetheart job, wouldn't they ?

And of course Rap is gonna idolize ole Tailgunner Joe, it's who he swiped most of this insane rhetoric from in the first place, duh.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Sunday, November 4, 2007 12:23 AM

CITIZEN

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
McCarthy really wasn't that bad of a guy, truth be told. More importantly, he was probably more right than anyone wants to admit.

Yeah, apart from lying about his military career and opponents to get elected and the whole kangaroo courts and witchunt thing, the guy was a saint.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

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Sunday, November 4, 2007 3:10 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:
Originally posted by SergeantX:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
McCarthy really wasn't that bad of a guy, truth be told.

I'd always assumed he was a personal hero for you rap.

SergeantX

Not a personal hero, but quite possibly one of the most misreported persons of US history.

"Hillary tried to get a million dollars for the Woodstock museum. I understand it was a major cultural and pharmaceutical event. I couldn't attend. I was tied up at the time." - John McCain

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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