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Yeah- green, like my puke.

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Originally posted by pachelbel:

The other place I frequent uses teal

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
I'm with the cool kids on this one, my peeps, we do our planet no harm. I want a Hummer.

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
I'm with the cool kids on this one, my peeps, we do our planet no harm. I want a Hummer.

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No way man. Every person on this planet, especially the capitalists and the Jews, are destroying our fragile planet because of their greedy mustache twirling Jewing about. It’s only a matter of days, maybe minutes, before the world crumbles into dust under the weight of modern industry, fascist America and George Bush. The only way to fix the problem is to enact world-wide socialism. And anyone who doesn’t want to enact world-wide socialism is a capitalist pig who hates puppies.

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Originally posted by leadb:
BTW, I am available for the position 'Dictator for the 21st century'

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
The only way to fix the problem is to enact world-wide socialism.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:


*The preceding was paid for by AURaptor Delusions, Ltd., a division of De Nile Inc., working for a care-free environment.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

I don't worry much about destroying the planet. All the humans will die long before we can render the world unsuitable for all life.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
This is nothing more than the y2k scare, all over again. *SIGH*

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Originally posted by citizen:

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
This is nothing more than the y2k scare, all over again. *SIGH*

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The more you post this, the more I'll refute it and the more you'll ignore it I guess.

The millenium bug didn't case any problems, because we fixed it before the year 2000. If we hadn't done anything, there would have been problems, we did and they didn't occur. To say there was no problem because we fixed it before it occured, is simply idiotic.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Why do you feel the need to respond, is what I find curious.

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The earth will go through its changes, warming / cooling, dryer / wetter, etc... there's nothing we can do to change that. Nor should we even try.

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But the nut jobs, the whackos who thought Clinton was building concentration camps, claimed they had SEEN thsoe camps being built, and claimed that he'd use y2k as an excuse to usher in martial law, it's those kooks who I'm comparing the mass hysteria we see about global warming...THAT is how I see so many reacting to this 'climate change' fraud.

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Because you seem to be implying that there was no problem with the 2000 Bug, when there clearly was that we avoided through action. Given that you're comparing it to global warming which you say isn't a problem and we shouldn't do anything about, seems to be the reasonable interpretation.

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Originally posted by citizen:
There's nutjobs and whakos in everything, the extreme doesn't refute the mainstream.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

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Because you seem to be implying that there was no problem with the 2000 Bug, when there clearly was that we avoided through action. Given that you're comparing it to global warming which you say isn't a problem and we shouldn't do anything about, seems to be the reasonable interpretation.

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How is it in any way a " reasonable interpretation " when I specifically noted that a great amount of work HAD been done to avoid problems ?

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You dismiss the science where it threatends to disrupt your template. Sun activity goes up? Not a cause of global warming.

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Polar caps on Mars melt ? Nope, gotta be something else.

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Polar Bears threatened with extinction? Sorry, their population remains constant or has actually climbed around the world. And then you talk about denial ?

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There were religious whackos ( Christian fundies ) who believed Y2K would usher in the return of Jesus. WHy? It was fortold in The Bible, that's why. Folks were told to look for 'earth pangs', meannig more hurricanes, more earthquakes, etc.... and that's exactly what they saw. They weren't paying attention to these things before, even though they were always occuring, but NOW, it was far more important because Jesus was coming back. How did they know ? The Bible said so, and the Bible can't be wrong. Word of God, ya know.

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Same thing is happening w/ global warming/ climate change.

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2 yrs later, where the fuck are the hurricanes ? No where. If a warmer climate was to cause more storms, where were they ? Seems folks don't know as much about the weather as we were led to believe.

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Originally posted by Causal:
I don't consider myself well-educated enough to enter the global warming debate. But I would just like to point out that a view's being the majority opinion does not entail that the belief is true. (That, of course, is why evidence and argument is so important.)

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:

We might end up being so preoccupied worrying about a warming climate that we won’t prepare for the inevitable cooling that historically seems to have followed warming trends, usually with drastically negative impact on civilization.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
you see ONLY what you want to see,

Polar Bears threatened with extinction? Sorry, their population remains constant or has actually climbed around the world.

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Originally posted by citizen:
That's not what I was saying, I was saying the extremists don't represent the mainstream. Like extremist Muslims or Christians say nothing about mainstream believers.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
HI CAUSAL!

*waves*

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Because you didn't do that until AFTER I responded, and I don't own a crystal ball. I was explaining why I interpreted your initial post the way I did.

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The exact same reasoning would say: “6 years later, no new Al Qaeda attacks in the US, guess that proves there's nothing too it”. It's flawed reasoning.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I'm pretty sure I didn't change my post from the time it was added to this thread. Not real sure where you're getting the idea that I did anything until after you posted. Seems to me you didn't bother reading my post, more likely.

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Now you're comparing man caused events ( terrorist attacks ) to natural phenomena, hurricanes?

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Originally posted by citizen:
Please stop flogging this dead horse and get on backing up what you said earlier. Unless of course getting tied up on irrelevances is your tactic to save from doing that, in which case carry on as normal.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I doubt very much that anyone PLANNED to have the y2k glitch to happen on purpose. Not so for terrorist attacks.


no pot meet kettle event. sorry

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I believe, ladies and gentlemen, we have our answer.

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Moreover, the notion of a declining polar bear population doesn’t square well available information.

A Canadian Press Newswire story earlier this year reported that, in three Arctic villages, polar bears “are so abundant there’s a public safety issue.” The local polar bear population reportedly increased from about 2,100 in 1997 to as many as 2,600 in 2004. Inuit hunters (search) wanted to be able to kill more bears because they are “fearsome predators.”

An aerial survey of Alaskan polar bears published in "Arctic" (December 2003) reported a greater polar bear density than previous survey estimates dating back to 1987.

If polar bears really are getting skinnier as the 1999 study suggested, it may actually be due to an increased population subsisting on the same level of available food. After all, the harvesting of Alaskan polar bears has been limited by the Marine Mammal Protection Act (search) and international agreements since 1972.

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Ice is melting there about three weeks earlier than it did 30 years ago, said Stirling, who has been studying polar bears for 35 years.

"For a polar bear, not all weeks are created equal," he said. "They are losing three weeks at the best time of the year for feeding on the ice, when seal pups are abundant and bears put on fat that they store for the four months that they have to live onshore."

Having lost this critical hunting opportunity, polar bears in western Hudson Bay weigh about 15 percent less (about 150 pounds less for an adult male) than they did 30 years ago, Stirling said.

"The bears are losing their physical condition," he said. "It is a cumulative process that is causing a steady decline in survival, particularly for cubs and sub-adults. It is causing the population to decline."

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
And notice how he didn't/couldn't address the polar bear fallacy that he embraced on the basis of ONE article (from a neo-con writer with no science background, no less).
He can admit no mistake lest his little house of cards world view collapses.
Oh, and mainstream media is finally using the "R" word (recession) that Signy and many others have been seeing coming....guess we all just have better crystal balls than AU, eh Cit?

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Signy and many others have never seen anything but recessions. If you scream recession long enough sooner or later you’re going to end up being right, no matter how big an idiot you are.

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Instead of forcing either of these issues into black and white packages that suit political views more than the facts, why can’t people realize both are more complex than that. Be careful about that Ace of Spades when it falls.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
The economy had a few spikes, but the quality of education has more to do with our fall from economic grace than any other single factor IMO. If we spend on war, but make education a less important matter, we doom ourselves to use force rather than brains to solve most issues. Bottom line.

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Polar bears don't follow politics, Finn.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
chrisisall, I didn't reply because citizen was having nothing of it. He's given up any rational thought/disucssion/ what ever. His mind is made up,screw the facts.

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Didn't think you had the stones to answer the question.

I was right.

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Y2K was an absurd joke. Most companies had new or fairly new computers that handled it perfectly, as the 2000 date appeared as scheduled.

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Bullshit!

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The economy goes up and down for all kinds of reason, regardless of education or war.

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While the economy was roaring

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, people claimed, for purely political and ideological reasons that have nothing to do with the actual state of the economy, that the economy was in the dumps.

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I guess we'll have to wait 10+ yrs before you see that what's being called global warming is nothing more than the natural cycle of things, and not the catastrophe so many are making it out to be.

AlliswellAURaptor

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Noting an increasing poor class, diminishing middle class, and a greater # of rich peeps is an issue PEOPLE need to address, not ideaologies or political agendas. The concentration of wealth in this country is undeniable- what IS deniable are the social changes that, funny enough, seem to be mirrored in the climate changes. A storm is comin', and you and I will be seeing interesting times, my friend.
If we stay the course of Bush & Co., I fear for my son's future on this planet.

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
you, like many of your ideological comrades

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You define the strength of economy by whether you agree with the ideological or political structure, not the actual economy.

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