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Dear Liberty Dollar Supporters:
I sincerely regret to inform you that about 8:00 this morning a dozen FBI and Secret Service agents raided the Liberty Dollar office in Evansville.

For approximately six hours they took all the gold, all the silver, all the platinum and almost two tons of Ron Paul Dollars that where just delivered last Friday. They also took all the files, all the computers and froze our bank accounts.

We have no money. We have no products. We have no records to even know what was ordered or what you are owed. We have nothing but the will to push forward and overcome this massive assault on our liberty and our right to have real money as defined by the US Constitution. We should not to be defrauded by the fake government money.

But to make matters worse, all the gold and silver that backs up the paper certificates and digital currency held in the vault at Sunshine Mint has also been confiscated. Even the dies for mint the Gold and Silver Libertys have been taken.

This in spite of the fact that Edmond C. Moy, the Director of the Mint, acknowledged in a letter to a US Senator that the paper certificates did not violate Section 486 and were not illegal. But the FBI and Services took all the paper currency too. (read more at link)

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Originally posted by kaneman:
They should not have put Ron Paul's face on the thing.....seriously.

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Originally posted by canttakesky:
It leaves me aghast that our govt can come in and seize private property like this, for no other reason than that they want to.

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Originally posted by canttakesky:
It leaves me aghast that our govt can come in and seize private property like this, for no other reason than that they want to.

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And the pesky little warrant.

My first thought...scam. These things are scams. Second thought...crime, you can't print your own money. Third thought...laughing, cause of all the crazy talkers who probably fell for this scam. Ron Paul Dollars...now thats funny.

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Well this explains Ron Pauls huge warchest.

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Well this explains Ron Pauls huge warchest.

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Originally posted by Misstressahara:
Wow, is this actually real?

You guys are living in a frightening country right now.

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"We don't want consumers to be fooled," U.S. Mint spokeswoman Becky Bailey says, noting U.S. Attorneys offices across the USA have noticed a marked increase in inquiries about the coins.

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Originally posted by Hero:
My first thought...scam. These things are scams. Second thought...crime, you can't print your own money. Third thought...laughing, cause of all the crazy talkers who probably fell for this scam. Ron Paul Dollars...now thats funny.

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Originally posted by leadb:
Frankly, I think the folks at NORFED made a mistake when they made the Liberty Dollar look so much like the like the US American Eagle silver dollar. My guess is that due to the resemblance to the US Legal currency, they will probably succeed in getting a conviction. Shame, really.

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Originally posted by piratenews:
Didn't the US Treasury quit making Liberty Silver Dollars over 50 years ago? That's called abandonment of copyright.

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So why again would they do that to Liberty Dollars ? Maybe someone can explain b/c I'm missing it.

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Originally posted by rue:
This is what I don't get. I bought and took possession of gold bars minted and backed by a Swiss bank. I can either exchange those bars for something else I thought was of equal or better value or sell them at a premium. You could say I was bartering, or selling a commodity at a premium, or using them as currency. Either way, I'd be doing with my bars exactly what people do with Liberty Dollars. Yet it's all legal and I don't expect the feds to pound on my door and confiscate my private property.

So why again would they do that to Liberty Dollars ? Maybe someone can explain b/c I'm missing it.


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Originally posted by rue:
1) Looking like it is legal tender
So if it was an oblong like a bar no one would care ?

2) having a face value that is different from it's commodity value.
Happens to the US dollar all the time. But anyway - let's say I have a 1oz gold bar that someone thinks is really neat. It's commodity value is ~ $800. But b/c they think it's so neat they'll do $1600 worth of work to have it. At that point we've bartered an exchange. My gold bar is no longer functioning 'like' currency but as a different type of exchange. As long as the two parties agree to the exchange it doesn't seem to me it should be illegal.

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IT'S REAL MONEY!
The Liberty Dollar is real, private currency that you can use instead of your familiar US dollars. You can spend Liberty Dollars just like U.S. dollars.

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I assume you don't shop online ? And if you do, how do you manage w/out a cc ?

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IT'S REAL MONEY!
The Liberty Dollar is real, private currency that you can use instead of your familiar US dollars. You can spend Liberty Dollars just like U.S. dollars.

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Really? That's bold claim. I will say that if you took one to a store, and they refused to honor it for the $20 face value, you could claim that the folks at Liberty Dollar deceived you. I suspect this is the sort of thing that is ultimately going to do them in.

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Originally extracted from http://www.libertydollar.org/ld/about/index.htm
IT'S REAL MONEY!
The Liberty Dollar is real, private currency that you can use instead of your familiar US dollars. You can spend Liberty Dollars just like U.S. dollars.

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Originally posted by leadb:
Really? That's bold claim. I will say that if you took one to a store, and they refused to honor it for the $20 face value, you could claim that the folks at Liberty Dollar deceived you. I suspect this is the sort of thing that is ultimately going to do them in.

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Originally posted by SergeantX:
Yup. If that's a direct quote, it's fairly damning - at least as far as the letter of the law goes. They needed to be clear that it was NOT legal tender - ie no one is required to accept it as payment. If they'd kept that point clear, they might not have invited the raid. But I suspect the raid was NotHaus's goal all along.

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