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Originally posted by chrisisall:
The news from Variety:
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117976360.html?categoryid=18&cs=1

So, who do you sympathize with here, the writers who want to be paid for new media uses of their work, or the companies that need to make a profit to keep employing said writers?

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Originally posted by CrevanReaver:
I'm a capitalist. So I support the producers.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
They get paid a LOT for sitting on their asses and doing basically not much! They should all just be fired...

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Originally posted by CrevanReaver:
I'm a capitalist. So I support the producers.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
So, who do you sympathize with here, the writers who want to be paid for new media uses of their work, or the companies that need to make a profit to keep employing said writers?

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
They get paid a LOT for sitting on their asses and doing basically not much!

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Originally posted by daveshayne:


Why? How are the producers' economic interests more important in a capitalist framework than the writer's?

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Originally posted by rue:


Now this here is plain fallacy. The unions ARE part of the market.

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
As I’ve pointed out before, if the numbers I’ve seen are correct, they basically get paid on par with the median income of physicians.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
I'm bad 2day Chrisisall

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Originally posted by daveshayne:

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
I'm bad 2day Chrisisall

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That you are.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
It's those peanuts I et last night...I'm lergic or sump'n.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Finn, by your reasoning, a good Fireman should get better pay than our President...
Plus: why pay him as much anyway? There's hundreds, probably thousands out there that could do a better job for free

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Originally posted by daveshayne:
When you consider that writing is a much less stable line of work than medicine this is not as good as it sounds. They may for a given period make as much in some circumstances but they can't count on making that wage from college till they retire as a Dr. can. So not really analogous at all even assuming that your information is correct.

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
The president has a difficult job.

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
most of those kinds of jobs require a degree of commitment that many people would rather avoid

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Originally posted by rue:
So when asked where his sympathies point, Finn says - physicians

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Finn, writing and producing a show like Buffy or Heroes is INFINITELY more difficult. Unless, you're talking about a President that actually, you know, does work...

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
most of those kinds of jobs require a degree of commitment that many people would rather avoid

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Okay- here we are. You cite my hatred of authority colouring many of my political and social beliefs- and here I see your resentment of folks with a commitment-free lifestyle doing the same. Just as you would say being rich doesn't necessarily make you a worthless human being, so too I would say that being a writer (read: hippy-type) doesn't either.

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
If you weren’t so quick to attack the president’s character because you don’t agree with his policy, you might see more clearly what I’m saying.

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I don’t see that anyone is arguing that screen writers are worthless people

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I’m a writer, and I’ve been published.

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if your job is commitment free then you can’t possible expect me to believe that your career is as demanding as a career that is full of commitments.

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Originally posted by CrevanReaver:
I'm a capitalist. So I support the producers.

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I'm with YOU!*
Screw the writers! They get paid a LOT for sitting on their asses and doing basically not much! They should all just be fired and replaced with new ones who are unafraid of the feast-or-famine lifestyle! The producers and executives know best- just like when they cancel unsuccessful dumb TV shows mid-season or refuse to pump dollars into marketing a movie based on that show!
Who needs freakin' writers or actors? Computers can write and animate stuff for us now anyway.

*not really Chrisisall

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Originally posted by rue:
Now this here is plain fallacy.

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Originally posted by Causal:
Let's just attack anyone who doesn't agree with us (especially if they should be in the minority of opinion about the issue).

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Originally posted by chrisisall:

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Originally posted by Causal:
Let's just attack anyone who doesn't agree with us (especially if they should be in the minority of opinion about the issue).

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Who's attackin'?

I'm sarcastically agreeing

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Originally posted by Causal:

Fallacious.

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Originally posted by Causal:


My apologies. Perhaps I should have just said, "maltreat."

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Originally posted by Causal:

Fallacious.

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[George McFly voice]
Well, he's right, he's riiiiight...
[/George McFly voice]

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Originally posted by Causal:


My apologies. Perhaps I should have just said, "maltreat."

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I prefer the term...


ball-busting

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Originally posted by Causal:
And seriously, I think that's just sad.

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Originally posted by Causal:
And seriously, I think that's just sad.

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No, it's cool you CLOD!

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
That I don't like his policies is incidental to my assessment of the amount of real work he performs, many other lazy, unintelligent Presidents had policies I could deal with- he's just the worst of both worlds.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Sorry, I meant worthless as in deserving of greatly lesser pay, in regards to the writers, my bad!

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Maybe you don't think as highly of your work as you should? Did you get minimal pay for it? Are there issues here?

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
My friend is a stuntman in Hollywood, and his 'commitment-free' life has him running around like a nut wherever the work is, except in Canada, where much of TV is done these days, because you need to be a resident to do stunt work there (or be married to a Canadian), so he has to take other jobs and be prepared to call out on them at a moment's notice...it's incredibly hectic and tiring. In it's way, it's a commitment as much as any other profession. Demanding has more to do with the 'demands' of the job, not just how much you paid for your education, or how punctual you need to be every day.

I sense a little working-class prejudice afoot here.

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Originally posted by Causal:

What's happened to you Chris? You developed a mean streak at some point.

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What's happened to you Chris? You developed a mean streak at some point.

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Seen Niki on heroes?


Same thing Chrisisall

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
So, who do you sympathize with here, the writers who want to be paid for new media uses of their work, or the companies that need to make a profit to keep employing said writers?

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I think you have a poor assessment of the amount of work that being the president of a country is, but that’s tangential.

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I think that if you’re a talented author, you should get paid what talented authors get paid, which is often in the millions.

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And have you watched TV recently? Are you honestly prepared to tell me that the majority of screen writers are talented authors?

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I was told I could have been successful, but I just didn’t have the emotional mindset to sell my work.

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Let’s honest Chris, “Commitment-free” was YOUR description of screen writers not mine. So you’re kind of arguing with yourself now. I simply argued their career wasn’t as demanding as a physician for which their income is on par (according to one source) - I never said their jobs were free of commitments.

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Originally posted by Causal:


In that case, I shall be more circumspect when conversing with you. She tore folk limb from limb!

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If the market decided how much they got paid, instead of the unions-Finn

Now this here is {a} plain fallacy. The unions ARE part of the market. -Rue

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
That’s the nature of the business.

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I think that if you’re a talented author, you should get paid what talented authors get paid, which is often in the millions.

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Millions?? Whoah.

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