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Originally posted by SignyM:
A gun is just a symbol.

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Originally posted by rue:
Geezer

Some people here believe the 'gun industry' bears NO responsibility. It's ALL personal and individual.

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"meat that's not full of chemicals"
Wanted to point out the problem with wasting disease.

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Originally posted by rue:
Coming from different places, we agree on the fact that the gun industry needs to be proactive and forgo a small amount of profit to keep guns out of the hands of the criminal, the irresponsible, the inept, and the insane.

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A gun is just a symbol.- Signy

To you, apparently. To me, it's a tool-Geezer

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Anyone who was doing such a thing damned sure would not discuss it publicly, not THESE days, hell no

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Originally posted by Geezer:
No. You missed my point. Banning tools because a small precentage of the population misuses them isn't a logical response. Further, it has a disproportinate impact on the majority who use them properly and responsably, and almost no impact on those who willfully misuse them.

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Originally posted by Geezer:
Lots of people use the internet to distribute or obtain kiddie porn. Terrorist and racist organizations use it to communicate and plan attacks. Others use it to perpetrate scams and identity thefts. Should we ban the internet, or work to identify and stop those who misuse it?

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Originally posted by SignyM:
AFA liabillity: It belongs to the registered owner, except in the case of an illegal sale in which case it belongs with the seller. If a gun is stolen or sold it must be reported otherwise- just like with cars- the person holding the last registration is "IT".

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excerpt from New York Times

A Liberal Case for Gun Rights Sways Judiciary
By ADAM LIPTAK
Published: May 6, 2007
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/06/us/06firearms.html

There used to be an almost complete scholarly and judicial consensus that the Second Amendment protects only a collective right of the states to maintain militias. That consensus no longer exists — thanks largely to the work over the last 20 years of several leading liberal law professors, who have come to embrace the view that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to own guns.

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The individual rights view is far from universally accepted. “The overwhelming weight of scholarly opinion supports the near-unanimous view of the federal courts that the constitutional right to be armed is linked to an organized militia,” said Dennis A. Henigan, director of the legal action project of the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence. “The exceptions attract attention precisely because they are so rare and unexpected.”

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Originally posted by rue:
Looks at large steak on plate. Pulls out gun. blam! blam! blam! ... blam! ... blam!

Sits down with fork to carefully eat meat bits scattered all over the table.

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Originally posted by BrowncoatSandinista:
Ultimately, I think one possible solution that we've not considered is the Swiss Solution. Give everyone an assault rifle to keep at home, and train them on it. After a brief initial period of increased violence , I suspect we will have a serious drop in gun violence, as no one would be stupid enough to try and invade someone's home or attack them otherwise knowing full-well that there is at least one, probably more, assault rifle in there and that someone there knows very well how to use it. Remember, Machiavelli himself said - "The Swiss, Absolutely Free, Absolutely Well Armed."

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Originally posted by BrowncoatSandinista:
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Ultimately, I think one possible solution that we've not considered is the Swiss Solution. Give everyone an assault rifle to keep at home, and train them on it. After a brief initial period of increased violence , I suspect we will have a serious drop in gun violence, as no one would be stupid enough to try and invade someone's home or attack them otherwise knowing full-well that there is at least one, probably more, assault rifle in there and that someone there knows very well how to use it. Remember, Machiavelli himself said - "The Swiss, Absolutely Free, Absolutely Well Armed."

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Originally posted by BrowncoatSandinista:

Ultimately, I think one possible solution that we've not considered is the Swiss Solution. Give everyone an assault rifle to keep at home, and train them on it. After a brief initial period of increased violence , I suspect we will have a serious drop in gun violence, as no one would be stupid enough to try and invade someone's home or attack them otherwise knowing full-well that there is at least one, probably more, assault rifle in there and that someone there knows very well how to use it.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Guess no one remembers the tale of two cities.

A great part of it is the utter vilification of self-defense, something the police as a whole despise, because if folk start defending themselves, they might start wondering why we have them, and especially wonder why they're allowed to lord over us like a privledged elite...

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Originally posted by BrowncoatSandinista:
Can we agree, however, based upon the evidence we have that it seems to point to the "Swiss-Solution" as I so dub it? The Scientist in me would like to see more evidence gathered, granted, but in its absence I'd have to conclude that this seems to work the best, but I refuse to make any hard and fast decisions without more evidence. ((Was that suitably 'cover my ass' enough ?))

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