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Actually, you can be free wherever you are. Freedom is in your head, not your surroundings. Too many folk here think that their freedom depends on what some government does, thus giving up the power to choose to be free.

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Originally posted by SignyM:

What I HOPE to do is wake people up to fact that there are people in government- people like Cheney and Hillary - who are thoroughly cynical, and only use words like "freedom" or "democracy" or "communism" or "terrorism" to manipulate. That they will shovel us into the maw of "profit health care"... or war... for nothing more than a few extra bucks.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
What makes you think I don't ?

When not here or at work, I spend a good bit of time on it, although what I am mostly good at is sandbagging and exposing some pretty awful stuff to law enforcement, which as I said, does have it's uses, and I am active in local politics as well as having been up Conyers ass ever since meeting him at a rally for Howard Dean, before Dean bent over for the DNC/DLC... not to mention leaning on, and getting other folk to lean on, Dingell - Levin is a waste of time, bought and paid for by AIPAC, but Conyers is a key player especially given his position within House Judiciary, what with that resolution somehow not having been tabled and all...

I might not have money, but I do have the ability to get a lot of their constituents riled up at em very very quickly, and damned good intel on every dirty deed their competitors (and themselves) have ever done, just a matter of getting the arm applied without stickin my neck out for someone elses axe.

It's a nasty business, politics, and I don't care for it at all, but it's still better than a firefight, innit ?

-Frem

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Originally posted by SignyM:
The reason why I bring these nasty bits to the forum - as I've said before- is because most people mainly hear the "good stuff". They don't realize, or don't believe, or can't feel anything about the fact that we HAVE managed to kill millions- literally- of people around the world in the last six decades or so (not counting WWII or the Korean War).

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People need to wake up, Geezer, and start thinking for themselves about their interests, and whether the path our fearless leaders have chosen is the one that will really get us where most of us want to go: A decent job, nice neighborhood, good education, security for the future, and freedom.

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Actually, you can be free wherever you are. Freedom is in your head, not your surroundings. Too many folk here think that their freedom depends on what some government does, thus giving up the power to choose to be free.

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Only a very comfortable person could say that.

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Well, Duh. Then talk about that stuff. Rehashing the Vietnam war is pointless. It isn't gonna do much about getting that job, neighborhood, education, etc. Maybe discuss one thing positive that folk are doing and others could build on. We're aware that there are problems. Don't bash us in the head with them until we just give up. Find a point of good and let others know about it. Quit being so goddamn gloomy.

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Originally posted by Geezer:
Actually, you can be free wherever you are. Freedom is in your head, not your surroundings. Too many folk here think that their freedom depends on what some government does, thus giving up the power to choose to be free.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Originally posted by Geezer:
Quit being so goddamn gloomy.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
PS. "It costs $300,000,000 to put the Space Shuttle in orbit"
Only cause it's a government doing it, bet you could cut that by over 80% once you cut loose the graft, kickbacks, cost overruns and black-budget crap they slip in between the orders.

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Originally posted by citizen:

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
PS. "It costs $300,000,000 to put the Space Shuttle in orbit"
Only cause it's a government doing it, bet you could cut that by over 80% once you cut loose the graft, kickbacks, cost overruns and black-budget crap they slip in between the orders.

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Yeah, but if we gave it entirely to private corporations this would hold just as true, except profit margins would be increased by reducing safety and maintenance.

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More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
I'm not sure I agree. The Scaled Composites efforts have given me hope. Grented, they are standing on the shoulders of the government efforts that preceded them, but they would appear to be working much more efficiently.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

The X-15 performed roughly the same task in the late 50's, early 60's, and the project cost about 150 million when all was said and done.

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