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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
You all know these 2 recent stories.

These absurd situations are coming from "normal, moderate, friendly" Muslim countries....not the Taliban/Al Qaida. How the hell are we civilized, modern people supposed to deal with that?

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Someone of stature in the world needs to STAND UP and say that Muslims are a bunch of fucking savages,

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Originally posted by rue:
: cries, rubs eyes, wails :

But they're our friends ...




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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
You wanna put a STOP to these assholes ?

Then you study the fekkin RELIGION, find where it conflicts (it does) or doesn't support that shit, and you start pointing THAT out to practicutioners thereof and watch the tidal wave land on THEM instead of you.

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
If civilized countries banded together we could dictate terms to the oil-rich savages...who else would they sell their f'ing oil too?

Where's the religious leaders of the world?
Where's NOW ?
Where's Hillary?
Where's Oprah?

Someone of stature in the world needs to STAND UP and say that Muslims are a bunch of fucking savages, but worse...they're a bunch of over-sensitive little fucking children who are not worthy of one ounce of respect.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Best thing to do for ANY barbaric nation? Put tarrifs on anything they sell: 10% for not being a democracy (w/ UN certified elections), 10% for not having equal rights written into law, 10% for not allowing free labor unions, 10% for polluting beyond their borders, 10% for having female literacy rates below that of men, and 25% for having troops in foreign nations that are not allies.

Why tarrifs? Because these nations are usually ruled by a a tyranny or monarchy that wants its cut of the action. If their goods suddenly don't sell as much because they're more expensive than somebody else's the total take at the top goes down. Harness their greed for the good.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Best thing to do for ANY barbaric nation? Put tarrifs on anything they sell: 10% for not being a democracy (w/ UN certified elections), 10% for not having equal rights written into law, 10% for not allowing free labor unions, 10% for polluting beyond their borders, 10% for having female literacy rates below that of men, and 25% for having troops in foreign nations that are not allies.

Why tarrifs? Because these nations are usually ruled by a a tyranny or monarchy that wants its cut of the action. If their goods suddenly don't sell as much because they're more expensive than somebody else's the total take at the top goes down. Harness their greed for the good.

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Sounds like a good idea. Only question I have is; would we still have to pay the 25% even after we installed a friendly government.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
That is where cleverness and force of personality come into the picture, Fred...

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Originally posted by SpaceHopper:
It’s her own idiot fault (the teacher, not the rape victim).

I am in full agreement about the ludicrousness of the rape incident, but anyone who names a bear Mohammed in a public environment in a Muslim country needs some sense hitting into them.

Muslim countries are different from Western countries; everyone in the world knows that. So a wise person who decides to immigrate to a Muslim country (oxymoron?) would surely do some research into the little nuances that make the country different from her own. And surely at some point that person would stumble upon the religious aspects of life in Muslim country, which would in turn lead her to a few stories about a man named Mohammed.

I thought that most people knew that Mohammed is the most important person in the Islamic faith and as such it is a word anyone not of Muslim faith should avoid at all costs for fear of offending an easily offended people in some way. (Hell, I probably offended a few Muslim’s just then, who knows?)

Anyway, by now the person should be thinking to herself, “Remember that name, note it down as a major ‘buzz word’ and don’t use it without first seeking the advice of a resident Muslim.”
So, when her pupils say to her, “Let’s name a stuffed bear Mohammed”, alarm bells should have starting going off her head. Really big, really loud alarm bells.

Then she could have gone to any Muslim, anywhere, and they would have told her that giving the name of the prophet Mohammed to an inanimate object is a very unwise thing to do indeed. Call it Steve instead; no-one’s bothered about a bear called Steve.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:

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Originally posted by SpaceHopper:
It’s her own idiot fault (the teacher, not the rape victim).

I am in full agreement about the ludicrousness of the rape incident, but anyone who names a bear Mohammed in a public environment in a Muslim country needs some sense hitting into them.

Muslim countries are different from Western countries; everyone in the world knows that. So a wise person who decides to immigrate to a Muslim country (oxymoron?) would surely do some research into the little nuances that make the country different from her own. And surely at some point that person would stumble upon the religious aspects of life in Muslim country, which would in turn lead her to a few stories about a man named Mohammed.

I thought that most people knew that Mohammed is the most important person in the Islamic faith and as such it is a word anyone not of Muslim faith should avoid at all costs for fear of offending an easily offended people in some way. (Hell, I probably offended a few Muslim’s just then, who knows?)

Anyway, by now the person should be thinking to herself, “Remember that name, note it down as a major ‘buzz word’ and don’t use it without first seeking the advice of a resident Muslim.”
So, when her pupils say to her, “Let’s name a stuffed bear Mohammed”, alarm bells should have starting going off her head. Really big, really loud alarm bells.

Then she could have gone to any Muslim, anywhere, and they would have told her that giving the name of the prophet Mohammed to an inanimate object is a very unwise thing to do indeed. Call it Steve instead; no-one’s bothered about a bear called Steve.

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Hello,

I strongly disagree. It is not intuitive that Mohammed (sp?) is a wrong name for a bear. After the flap over Danish cartoons, one might think that even mentioning Mohammed is a crime. However, the most popular kid in that teacher's class was named Mohammed. Why, then, would any rational individual think that naming a bear Mohammed is a problem? Clearly, Mohammed is a name commonly given to people who are not the famed prophet. Why not bears?

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
What the f*ck DOESN'T insult Islam? 40 lashes for a teddy bear???? 200 lashes for being in a car and getting gang raped?

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Originally posted by Hero:

Oprah, Hillary, NOW, they can't comment...because they're women and its not their place to be critical of the Muslim world.

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The question, some day, will boil all the way down to one fundamental position :
Either we're gonna find new energy sources ( like Alaska, Gulf of Mexico, ethanol, coal, nuclear, etc. or we need to just take by force what we need to survive.

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Originally posted by rue:
"Nowhere in America, including the South is it public or religious policy to criminalize trivial actions with brutal bloody punishment."

In the good ol' USA barbaric punishment is done as a business, for money. I suppose that makes it better.


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Originally posted by rue:
But the US has it's own brand of barbarism. You can get locked up in jail for years for a small amount of weed.

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Originally posted by rue:
No, I actually think sharia law is barbaric.

But the US has it's own brand of barbarism. You can get locked up in jail for years for a small amount of weed. You can get locked up for life even if your third crime is stealing a video tape. And if you haven't noticed jail is a hell-hole. And the US has the highest incarceration rate in the world.

I'm just trying to point out that we all have blind spots and USers thinking that the country is the acme of rational justice is one of them.

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"Where in the US is there "barbaric punishment meted out by businesses for money"."

I thought that was pretty obvious from Frem's link.

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Originally posted by rue:
No, I actually think sharia law is barbaric.

But the US has it's own brand of barbarism. You can get locked up in jail for years for a small amount of weed.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
If yer not willing to fix it then shut the f@#k up about it.

-Frem

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Jong
"I think the main point here is that this debate was usurped by wrong-thinking individuals who have no respect for anything other than what they want."

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Originally posted by rue:
BTW this is what you think about other people and their right to express their opinions in a democracy:
Jong..."I think the main point here is that this debate was usurped by wrong-thinking individuals who have no respect for anything other than what they want."

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