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Originally posted by rue:
And please, please stop whining about how unfair CNN was to the repubicans for not favoring them even more than they did.

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And don't stomp your feet either. It's so unattractive in a grown man.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Gun-FU!

Also knowing of Krow-Barr and Too-Bye-Forr!
WUAAGH!

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Originally posted by AURaptor:


Well, Chris, the U.S. main stream media is clearly 80% + Left wing.

That's undeniable. What's your problem ?

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Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:


Was always a fan of your Bruce Lee one.

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What- this old thing?

Fists Of Fury

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Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:

Have you seen Ong Bak? Seriously a step up in terms of action/stunts/martial arts filming.

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
the ultra-left agendas of this new garlic-breathed MoveOn/KOS Democrat Party of thugs and haters.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:


Well, Chris, the U.S. main stream media is clearly 80% + Left wing.

That's undeniable. What's your problem ?

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It IS deniable, watch:
I DENY IT.
See AU, you were wrong. I denied it. If you were wrong about that, how many other things can you be wrong about?
You can deny this, but it's true.

The media can swing far right or left depending on the issue and/or the pressure on the program directors.

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Originally posted by CaptainOley:
I would just like to ask all of those on this thread who are so adamant about keeping Bush's tax cuts, how do you expect to pay off the 1.5 trillion dollar debt from the Iraq "war" that will have accumulated by the time he leaves office?

This was the funds that were in position to save social security for another 30 years or so, and now it is all gone.

Oley

"I have been on the right side of the chain of command."

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Originally posted by CaptainOley:
Get rid of the income tax and implement a national sales tax. That means the rich will have to pay every bit of the taxes that they owe from all of their luxuries, and illegal aliens have to pay taxes.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Chris, you may continue to babble along all you want, but you're only humiliating yourself here.

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Originally posted by CaptainOley:
ok cut spending. Got it. What would be the easiest way to save trillions? Stop occupying a nation that has been and will remain in constant conflict.

Get rid of the income tax and implement a national sales tax. That means the rich will have to pay every bit of the taxes that they owe from all of their luxuries, and illegal aliens have to pay taxes.

Oley

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Chris, you may continue to babble along all you want, but you're only humiliating yourself here.

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*unzips his fly, pees on AURaptor's shoe and sock, puts it away*

Sorry, what was that AU? I wasn't concentrating....

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Originally posted by AURaptor:


Easy. Cut spending. The tax cuts brought in more $$ to the US treasury and are helping erase the defecit already, while keeping the economy growing at a very reasonable rate.

Bush tried to save SSI, but no one wanted to touch that live wire. It's nothing more than a Gov't mandated Ponzi scheme, where the 1st ones in are the ones who come out winners. Since we've been lied to for decades by the FEDERAL Gov't ( note - both parites at fault here ) raising taxes is the last asd most morally bankrupt way to go.

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Easy. Cut spending. The tax cuts brought in more $$ to the US treasury and are helping erase the defecit already, while keeping the economy growing at a very reasonable rate.

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skim some $$ off of the Iraqi oil sales.

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Originally posted by rue:
Rap, I kept hearing about 'rules' that were supposed to keep democrats out, but in real life (where most of the rest of us live) they didn't exist. So pardon me if I don't credit your whole 'they apologized 'cause they were wrong' schtick.

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Originally posted by Kirkules:
Rue , why don't you just except the fact that you don't understand the US political system and get over it. Nobody in the US cares if other countries want to have convoluted systems with 15 parties were everybody gets equally say. The US is a Republic, not a pure democracy and most like it that way. Pure democracy gets you Hugo Chavez. We let the ignorant masses vote in this country but we don't let the them make foreign policy.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Sig, the tax cuts did indeed bring in more revenue to the treasury. That's a fact. Deal with it.

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Originally posted by Kirkules:
Rue , why don't you just except the fact that you don't understand the US political system and get over it. Nobody in the US cares if other countries want to have convoluted systems with 15 parties were everybody gets equally say. The US is a Republic, not a pure democracy and most like it that way. Pure democracy gets you Hugo Chavez. We let the ignorant masses vote in this country but we don't let the them make foreign policy.

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Chris, you may continue to babble along all you want, but you're only humiliating yourself here.

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*unzips his fly, pees on AURaptor's shoe and sock, puts it away*

Sorry, what was that AU? I wasn't concentrating....

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I appreciate you wanting to cure my athlete's foot, but pee on your own feet, brother.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:

AU, the reason you vex me so is that much of what you post has truth to it- many of the hard facts are there, but certain key ones are ignored, or flat out turned around. You are SO CLOSE to truly understanding everything- but your ingrained bias makes the math impossible for you in the end.
I used to be just like you, albeit in the opposite direction. Everything the Republicans said were lies intended to further their evil plan of world domination and the end of civil rights. I credit Clinton with showing me the truth; no party has the franchise on being as*wipes. And where before I saw evil plans, I mostly now see bold ineptitude and bad planning.

AU, you need to get over yourself; you're no better at being 'the one who sees the truth' than anyone else. There is no one answer to any problem, just as there is rarely only one cause.

If I believe myself to see things more correctly than you (and I'll admit- boy do I ), it's only because I'm also more ready to believe I can be corrected on something if the info is presented to me. Perhaps when you reach your fourties, boy, you may acheive this flexibility...


Humble Chrisisall

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Originally posted by Kirkules:
The US is a Republic, not a pure democracy and most like it that way. Pure democracy gets you Hugo Chavez.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Of course you believe you see things more correctly than I, that's called egocentrism. It's more apparent in children, but most grow out of it, with age and experience. So, there's hope for you still.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

My biases aren't ingrained, as you claim, but in fact are learned.

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I don't call Demcorats liars and communist simply becasue they oppose Republicans, but because they indeed are liars and communist.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Auraptor: Show me the Federal revenues - adjusted for inflation- which demonstrate that reducing taxes DID "increase revenues". Do it. Then come back to me. And remember: Google is your friend.
www.marktaw.com/culture_and_media/TheNationalDebt.html

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Auraptor: Think carefully about what you have just posted. Your statement flat contradicts the very point that you're trying to make. So give it some thought. I'm busy but I'll get back to you later.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Auraptor: Think carefully about what you have just posted. Your statement flat contradicts the very point that you're trying to make.

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Nope. It validates my reply. Thanks for playing.

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Kirkules: The "Laffer curve" is a theoretical construct. It has never to my knowledge been demonstrated in real life. Can you provide data that shows the "Laffer curve" DID work in some instance, even if outside the USA?

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Nope. It validates my reply. Thanks for playing.

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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!isall

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The US is a Republic, not a pure democracy and most like it that way. Pure democracy gets you Hugo Chavez.

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Many people outside the US see George Bush as a more dangerous leader than Chavez, so it's hardly a conclusive argument.

Whether the US is a democracy or not depends on how you define 'democracy'. If by democracy you mean the original meaning, that of the system in use in Athens and Plato's warrior kings, then there is no democracy operating in the world today. However the accepted meaning of democracy today is one where the governing party is selected by vote, a definition the US fits in to.

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Dunno what your laughing about, it does prove what I was saying.

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Thanks for letting me know that the US is a democracy. I've been going to the polls all these years just to get the free "I Voted" sticker. Never occurred to me what they were doing behind the curtain.

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If the election in Venezuela goes Chavez way you'll be able to enjoy his wacky antics for years to come. Unfortunately in a little more than a year you wont have Bush to kick around anymore.

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Its a bad argument for why Representative Republics are 'better' because its as equally valid to say parliamentary democracy is better because George Bush is the product of a Republic (or Jacques Chirac for that matter).

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BTW, many thing are 'intuitive' - but severely wrong. It's 'intuitive' the earth is flat.

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Originally posted by Kirkules:
Thanks for letting me know that the US is a democracy. I've been going to the polls all these years just to get the free "I Voted" sticker. Never occurred to me what they were doing behind the curtain.

You said the US wasn't a democracy, I merely pointed out that it was under the modern usage of the term, and gave my reasoning. I don't see your problem (assuming my reading of this as sarcasm is correct of course).

If the election in Venezuela goes Chavez way you'll be able to enjoy his wacky antics for years to come. Unfortunately in a little more than a year you wont have Bush to kick around anymore.

Well I rather suspect that America will be feeling the effects of Bush's foreign policy for years to come. To be frank Chavez doesn't bother me, his 'wacky antics' are just that, I'm as worried as him as any other clown. George Bush is in control of the Worlds most powerful military, and has the potential to cause more real harm in the last days of his tenure than Chavez could do in his.

But that wasn't even my point. My point was that going on about how Chavez is the product of Democracy is a poor argument, because many, in fact maybe the majority, of people outside the US see Bush as worse. Its a bad argument for why Representative Republics are 'better' because its as equally valid to say parliamentary democracy is better because George Bush is the product of a Republic (or Jacques Chirac for that matter).


More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

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Did you even bother to read what I wrote.

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Were did I say that a Republic is better than any other form of government.

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The US is a Republic, not a pure democracy and most like it that way. Pure democracy gets you Hugo Chavez. We let the ignorant masses vote in this country but we don't let the them make foreign policy.

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I also never said that the US isn't a democracy, I said its a Republic as apposed to a "pure democracy".

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My point was that some don't seem to understand the traditions and customs of our election process because they live under other forms of democracy.

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