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POSTED BY: FREDGIBLET
UPDATED: Thursday, January 10, 2008 13:33
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Wednesday, January 9, 2008 1:02 PM

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/projects/ongoing/select_a_candidate/p
oll.php?race_id=13

For me Obama was 14 points, Clinton was 12 and Gravel was 11 Ron Paul was 8th with 7 points, one ahead of Giuliani

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Wednesday, January 9, 2008 1:25 PM

KIRKULES

Giuliani 18
McCain 16
Thompson 15
Hunter 15
Clinton 1
Obama 1

Seems about right.

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Wednesday, January 9, 2008 3:42 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

Obama with 19 points, which I could have guessed.
Clinton with 17 points, which surprises me. We're not on the same page with education, though, which I think knocks off another point.
Richardson also with 17 and also with education clash.
Edwards with 14
Giuliani with 13 (he's probably the only rebublican I've considered voting for)
Kucinich with 13
McCain with 12
Huckabee with 10
Hunter with 9
Romney with 9
Thomson with 9
And Ron Paul with 6

Guess I'll continue to support Obama.

I don't think that being cautiously ashamed, or selectively ashamed, or in any way ashamed of who I am is any way to live my life.

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Wednesday, January 9, 2008 3:47 PM

FREDGIBLET

I was surprised at Clinton's performance in mine as well, I expected her to be a notch or two lower. Of course the problem is that I don't think she's at all genuine so I have a hard time taking a result that depends on her meaning what she says seriously.

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Wednesday, January 9, 2008 3:50 PM

FREDGIBLET

As a P.S. to the previous post:

And of course the entire exercise is dependent on the test creators interpretations of the candidates positions and it is limited in the number of positions it measures, for instance if Hero's statements about Obama's position on gun control are correct (and I have no reason to doubt them) then we disagree on that point as well.

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Wednesday, January 9, 2008 3:54 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all about the right to bear arms, but I don't think enforcing gun laws and making it more difficult for criminals and children to get their hands on them is a bad idea.

I don't think that being cautiously ashamed, or selectively ashamed, or in any way ashamed of who I am is any way to live my life.

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Wednesday, January 9, 2008 4:04 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

16.0
3 way tie w/ Duncan Hunter, John McCain ( shocker ) and Fred Thompson.

14.0
2 way tie w/ Rudi and Mitt.

2.0
The bottom 4 - Gravel, Rodham-Clinton, Kucinich, and Edwards.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Wednesday, January 9, 2008 4:05 PM

FREDGIBLET

AU, curious, where's Paul?

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Wednesday, January 9, 2008 4:12 PM

FREDGIBLET

Quote:
Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Don't get me wrong, I'm all about the right to bear arms, but I don't think enforcing gun laws and making it more difficult for criminals and children to get their hands on them is a bad idea.

Certainly, I have my own ideas about gun control but I definitely don't think it should be eliminated. Thing is IIRC Obama wants to ban the sale of semi-auto weapons, I don't think he'll get it but it's ridiculous.

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Wednesday, January 9, 2008 4:15 PM

YINYANG

You were busy trying to get yourself lit on fire. It happens.

Obama 28
Clinton 26
Kucinich 26
Gravel 24
Edwards 20
Richardson 19
Guiliani 16
Ron Paul 14
McCain 7
Romney 6
Huckabee 5
Thompson 4
Hunter 4

Clinton's up pretty high, but I wouldn't vote for her even if she agreed with me on all the issues (and made me Supreme Overlord, of course

). Kucinich seems fine, but I doubt he'll be able to win a state primary, much less the Democratic nomination.

The only thing that I really don't like about Obama is his stance on the death penalty. If he didn't have so much else in his favor, it would be a deal-breaker for me. Plus, since there are only three people on that list that agree with me, I doubt that anyone who is against the death penalty will be president for a while. Sigh.

(And if you think the above was an invitation to start a debate about the death penalty with me, please don't. The current environment - RWED - is not particularly suited for it. Although if you really, really want, feel free to PM me.

Thank you for reading this perhaps unnecessary parenthetical remark. Have a nice day.)

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Wednesday, January 9, 2008 6:09 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Oh, Ron Paul scored around 12.0, if memomory serves me. I kinda botched the immigration question, which gave me a lower score on the top 3 than likely should be the case. I've heard Fred's remarks on the issue,and strongly agree w/him, but the test had me at odds w/ his position.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Wednesday, January 9, 2008 8:49 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL

The top five for me:

Guiliani.....20
McCain.......20
Hunter.......14
Romney.......13
Thompson.....13

I guess I'm voting Republican this year.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Wednesday, January 9, 2008 9:09 PM

THATWEIRDGIRL

No surprise for me, I scored Paul 22. Clinton, Obama, and Edwards were 5 or below. None of the choices for education or immigration fit me. Otherwise, I was okay with the choices.

Cnn, or was it msnbc, had an issue by issue, candidate by candidate matrix users could complete. It was pretty interesting.

Found it!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21116732

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Sometimes I lie awake at night, and I ask, "Where have I gone wrong?" Then a voice says to me, "This is going to take more than one night."
-- Charlie Brown

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Wednesday, January 9, 2008 9:12 PM

SERGEANTX

Paul 18.0
Gravel 12.0
Huckabee 11.0

...

Schmuckabee in third was mildly surprising, but when I considered how he's pretty much been aping Ron Paul issues since the first money bomb, I guess it's not too suprising.

The sad thing is, these games don't take into account integrity and that fact that all of the mainstream candidates have nothing at all like a moral or philosophical compass. They fly whichever way the wind blows. They can blow away as far as I'm concerned.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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Wednesday, January 9, 2008 9:41 PM

FREDGIBLET

Quote:
Originally posted by thatweirdgirl:
Found it!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21116732

On this Obama and Gravel are in a dead heat for the top, McCain and Thompson are fighting it out for the bottom.

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Wednesday, January 9, 2008 9:45 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Quote:
Originally posted by SergeantX:
The sad thing is, these games don't take into account integrity and that fact that all of the mainstream candidates have nothing at all like a moral or philosophical compass. They fly whichever way the wind blows. They can blow away as far as I'm concerned.

Don’t blame that on the website. Some of these pole games use expert assessments of voting records and multiple corroborating statements to evaluate positions, which can make them more accurate then the candidates themselves.

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Wednesday, January 9, 2008 11:03 PM

FLETCH2

I don't get to vote so I suspect it's academic. In most cases especially immigration and education there were multiple answers in the right general area but none exactly what i would chose.

Hillary gets the nod at 9
followed by a clutch of Dems including Obama, Denis and Edwards at 8 and then Ron Paul at 7.

As a European i would argue that education is essential to a strong economy and a strong democracy. The patchwork craziness of local schools with local standards which are often badly funded via unpopular property taxes is a competitive disadvantage to the US economy.

And don't go to war with Iran.... let the Israelis deal with it in their usual brutally efficient way.

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Thursday, January 10, 2008 3:04 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Do I even have to say it ?

Btw, those questions were quite loaded, some of them, and used the same linquistic trickery often used on local ballot initiatives to confuse voters into taking a certain position whether it is there own or not.*

And, as Sarge mentioned, all but maybe two of those bastards can't be trusted to hold to their word anyhow, so where does that leave you ?

-F

*-pet peeve of mine, especially when the initiative in question boiled down to
"We want a blank check with no oversight to build a school in another district where their students will have priority access over ours."

And they had a six paragraph "explaination" that used a lot of double-negative and obfuscatory language that would frustrate even a lawyer, but was soundly defeated by some local jackass who crashed the meeting and called them on it while it was being locally televised via public access.

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Thursday, January 10, 2008 6:48 AM

LEIASKY

Obama and Clinton were tied with me at the top. I'm pretty torn over who to vote for, honestly. But I think I'll flee to Canada if another Republican gets into office.

"A government is a body of people usually notably ungoverned."

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Thursday, January 10, 2008 7:03 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

The survey did not ask me about guns.

How can they ask me about the death penalty and education and abortion but not about guns? It even asked me about stem cell research.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Thursday, January 10, 2008 7:17 AM

STORYMARK

Top 4:
Clinton - 16
Edwards - 16
Obama - 14
Richardson (my own Governor) - 13

Bottom 4:
Hunter, McCain, Paul and Thompson - all with 3 each.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, January 10, 2008 8:33 AM

FREDGIBLET

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
The survey did not ask me about guns.

How can they ask me about the death penalty and education and abortion but not about guns? It even asked me about stem cell research.

I don't think any of the candidates are campaigning on a gun platform so it's not seen as a big issue.

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Thursday, January 10, 2008 8:38 AM

FREDGIBLET

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Do I even have to say it ?

I wonder who you could possibly have gotten as your top pick.

Quote:
Btw, those questions were quite loaded, some of them, and used the same linquistic trickery often used on local ballot initiatives to confuse voters into taking a certain position whether it is there own or not.*

Indeed.

Quote:
And, as Sarge mentioned, all but maybe two of those bastards can't be trusted to hold to their word anyhow, so where does that leave you ?

Pretty simple really, I suspect that Paul would try to do exactly what he says he'll try to do, but since I disagree with him on a lot of subjects that's actually bad. I suspect that Obama or Clinton won't try to do everything they say they'll try to do however I agree with them on significantly more topics, from what I've heard if Obama pulls out on half his issues he'll still end up pushing more things towards the way I want them then Paul would if he kept all his promises.

Quote:
And they had a six paragraph "explaination" that used a lot of double-negative and obfuscatory language that would frustrate even a lawyer, but was soundly defeated by some local jackass who crashed the meeting and called them on it while it was being locally televised via public access.

Sounds like a complete dick to me.

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Thursday, January 10, 2008 11:09 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Dennis Kucinich 27.0
Hillary Clinton 24.0
John Edwards 24.0
Ron Paul 23.0
Barack Obama 21.0
Bill Richardson 19.0
Mike Gravel 18.0
Rudy Giuliani 9.0
John McCain 5.0
Mike Huckabee 4.0
Duncan Hunter 1.0

Personally, I favor Edwards.
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Always look upstream.

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Thursday, January 10, 2008 11:28 AM

FREDGIBLET

You'll probably get him as a VP

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Thursday, January 10, 2008 11:42 AM

CANTTAKESKY

For me it was Paul 16, Gravel 13, and McCain 13, Giuliani 10. The first one is a given, but the last 3 surprised me.

I got a question for you Sarge. I noticed that Paul opposes birthright citizenship, which I understand is a Constitutional right. How does that position fit with being a strict constitutionalist?

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The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' (I found it!) but 'That's funny ...'
-- Isaac Asimov (1920 - 1992)

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Thursday, January 10, 2008 11:58 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

If you wanna play Spin The Candidate one more time, the Washington Post has its version out there too, with different versions for Democrats and Republicans. You may have to register on the Post website to play.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/interactives/candidatequ
iz/

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Thursday, January 10, 2008 12:16 PM

SERGEANTX

Quote:
Originally posted by canttakesky:

I got a question for you Sarge. I noticed that Paul opposes birthright citizenship, which I understand is a Constitutional right. How does that position fit with being a strict constitutionalist.

In my opinion it doesn't. I'm not pleased with RPs take on immigration and I don't think it's an accurate extrapolation of libertarian ideology. As I've said elsewhere, Ron Paul only matches me on 70-80% of the issues. But that puts him about 60-70% ahead of the mainstream goons.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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Thursday, January 10, 2008 1:33 PM

BADKARMA00

Duncan Hunter 27
Fred Thompson 26
Mitt Romney 26
Huckabee 17
McCain 17

No real surprises for me, since I'm for Fred Thompson all the way anyway. Guiliani came in at like 12, which wasn't a surprise, since he's republican in name only.

What was a surprise for me was Obama scoring 11.

Bad_karma
Great and Exalted Grand Pooba, International Brotherhood of Moonshiners, Rednecks, and Good Old Boys.

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