Israelis Create Warsaw Ghetto in Gaza by SignyM

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Israelis Create Warsaw Ghetto in Gaza

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Saturday, January 26, 2008 4:11 AM

BADKARMA00

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...Repetative expired-equine impacts...

He he, I like that. Mind if I use it? That's a very creative way of saying 'beat a dead horse'.

Wish I'd thought of it

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Saturday, January 26, 2008 4:59 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL

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Ah, so you support indiscriminate, large-scale killing because of what terrorists might do? I'm telling you Finn- It would be far more humane if the IDF just went for "an eye for an eye". I think most Palestinians would "get it" and even respect it.

I don’t support indiscriminate killing at all. And while Palestinians might fear it, as such measures have been feared in the past, I’m not sure that’s the right kind of “respect.” I’ll give you this, if Israel wielded such brutal and indiscriminate totalitarian measures and annexed the disputed territories, then Israel probably would eventually end the conflict, unless some other nation intervened, which is pretty likely. So I’ll concede that what you are suggesting might actually end the conflict in Israel, unless another country intervened. But it wouldn’t be better for the Palestinians, and it certainly wouldn’t seem to be the kind of government that the Israelis want. It is the decimation tactic and in the long run, I’m not sure ending the war like that would be good for anyone

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

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Saturday, January 26, 2008 4:59 AM

KIRKULES

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"Democratically elected"...ha ha ha..just like Saddam used to get 99.9% of the vote? Very democratic I'm sure. Fucking Hamas murderers terrorize their own people. They force children...fucking children to carry out their suicide murders...some children have been caught crying for their mommies before they blow up Israeli kids in a pizzeria. All their Arab "brothers" don't do jack shit to help them, and they're all the ones that caused the bad situation for the Palestinians in the first place. Before that Arafat STOLE all the fucking money that was EVER sent to help these sad helpless people. They should all just walk into Egypt as they're doing, and rest into Syria...let's see what their fellow Muslims do for them....or are they ONLY good as useful idiots for killing Israeli women & children?

And here we have Jongsstraw doing his best imitation of a Xtian Jihadist... and doing a damn fine job of it, too.

Right again a-hole...but not quite as good as the job you're doing as an idiot terrorist lover. The only people in the world who don't know or cannot see the truth in that situation are Jew-haters, terrorists, and the insane.

After reading the entire thread it seems to me that Jong's first impression was pretty close to the mark. The total inability of some to see the clarity of Finn's arguments and facts, can only lead me to believe we are dealing with the "insane". Of course their insanity does make their Jew hating and terrorist sympathy more understandable.

For those making a list. I'm not Jewish and I don't have any Jewish friends that I am aware of, so my observations come from an unbiased "Jew Lover".

It's about time for the Israelis to put a bad ass dude like Benjamin Netanyahu back in power. Peace through strength is the only way in the middle east.

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Saturday, January 26, 2008 8:14 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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I don’t support indiscriminate killing at all.

Hmm... the definition of "killing" is pretty clear, and if we look at the number of women and children killed we can take a stab at "indiscriminate"... and then we can apply it to the IDF, who indeed are not very discriminating when it comes to killing so... how is it any different than grabbing a random group of people from across the wall? Except that the latter action would result in fewer indiscriminate killings than current?

Is there something missing from your definition? Maybe that the second action is deliberate, while the first action- altho more destructive and following a slow decimation curve- is accompanied by an insincere fig-leaf of an "oops"?

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Saturday, January 26, 2008 8:21 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL

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Originally posted by SignyM:
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I don’t support indiscriminate killing at all.
Hmm... the definition of "killing" is pretty clear, and if we look at the number of women and children killed we can take a stab at "indiscriminate"... and then we can apply it to the IDF, who indeed are not very discriminating when it comes to killing so... why do you support it when the IDF does it?

The IDF doesn’t do it. The IDF targets terrorists and militants, who embed themselves in innocent populations. Indiscriminate killing would be something like your idea of randomly targeting Palestinians for retribution killings. I don't support it and typically the IDF doesn't either, to my knowledge.

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Saturday, January 26, 2008 8:47 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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[The IDF doesn’t do it. The IDF targets terrorists and militants

If the IDF isn't killing women and children, then whose finger is on the trigger? Is there some third party we don't know about leaving bullet-holes in women and missile fragments in children, making the IDF look bad? Is there some other force that keeps ambulances from reaching hospitals and cuts off food and water? Some third party- Syrians maybe, who bulldoze family homes? First of all, the IDF kills and punishes civilians ON PURPOSE. Members of the IDF have testified to that fact. In addition, the IDF is NOT very "discriminating" when targeting terrorists, they really don't mind wounding, killing, displacing, and punishing civilians.

Finn, let's spin this around. Iran is having difficulties with a renegade group of Xtians within it (internationally recognized) borders whom they have displaced by taking away their businesses and farms. As a group, these Xtians are blockaded into a small unproductive area of Iran and forced to live in poverty, dependent on Iranian supplies of electricity, fuel, and water. These Xtians send out suicide bombers and rockets from time to time which do little damage and kill a few hundred people. The Iranian government responds by stopping fuel and water supplies, setting up checkpoints which prevent hospital access and ruin what little economy exists, bulldozing family homes of "suspected" terrorists, and occasionally rolling in with tanks under missile cover, killing thousands including innocent civilians. China is preventing any action against Iran.

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Saturday, January 26, 2008 10:33 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL

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If the IDF isn't killing women and children, then whose finger is on the trigger? Is there some third party we don't know about leaving bullet-holes in women and missile fragments in children, making the IDF look bad?

Yes. It’s the whole part of the equation that seems to allude you.

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First of all, the IDF kills and punishes civilians ON PURPOSE. Members of the IDF have testified to that fact. In addition, the IDF is NOT very "discriminating" when targeting terrorists, they really don't mind wounding, killing, displacing, and punishing civilians.

I’m sure that happens, but I don’t think it’s the policy of the IDF. However, you think it should be policy, so that’s right up your ally, right?

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Finn, let's spin this around. Iran is having difficulties with a renegade group of Xtians within it (internationally recognized) borders whom they have displaced by taking away their businesses and farms. As a group, these Xtians are blockaded into a small unproductive area of Iran and forced to live in poverty, dependent on Iranian supplies of electricity, fuel, and water. These Xtians send out suicide bombers and rockets from time to time which do little damage and kill a few hundred people. The Iranian government responds by stopping fuel and water supplies, setting up checkpoints which prevent hospital access and ruin what little economy exists, bulldozing family homes of "suspected" terrorists, and occasionally rolling in with tanks under missile cover, killing thousands including innocent civilians. China is preventing any action against Iran.

Where are the terrorist leaders and warlords making peace impossible? Spreading lies about cutting supplies of electricity, fuel and water? Refusing to negotiate in good faith and preferring instead to instigate violence embedded in civilian populations to maximum collateral casualties and ruin the economy of the people they should be providing for as leaders. Where is the liberal democratic Iran that would reward stability? Changing the names of the parties doesn’t change what’s going on, but the problem is that you don’t understand what’s going on or you ignore it to fabricate this anti-Israeli sentiment.

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Saturday, January 26, 2008 1:56 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Oh yeah, those poor Israelis. Forced into killing 10 for every one of theirs. Yeah, I feel sorry for them.

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Saturday, January 26, 2008 3:49 PM

WALKERHOUND

How about if after each rocket or suicide attack Israel count's up the *exact* total of civilian(who after all are the one's hamas is aiming at) dead. Then send's sniper teams to head shot that exact amount of hama's members.

Would that be alright?

Or maybe thay could respond in a even more directly proportional way. For every rocket hama’s fire’s into the general Israeli population Israel firs one back, and for every suicide bomb thay……. Well replicate that some how.

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Saturday, January 26, 2008 7:27 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

YEP. I think I said that about.... oh, 10 posts ago. It would cause FEWER civilians death if they did. And my point is that it would actually be more HUMANE to do that. Really, who cares what you say about why you're doing what you're doing and the rationalizations that you cover yourself with? Killing 500 civilians "on purpose" is better than killing 500 civilians in six separate incidents and saying "oops"!

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Sunday, January 27, 2008 7:13 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

I want to make sure you all understand my point:

If someone kills a person... let's say runs over a pedestrian jaywalking in the dark ... and then cries about it, we believe that person and trust that it won't happen again. But let's day it does... another unfortunate accident, the person is truly sorry about it. Wow, Is that person unlucky? Or what?

By the third time around, ya get the feeling this is more than an accident. At the very least, this person isn't really being very careful. Doesn't REALLY seem to have an interest in not running pedestrians over.

Criminal justice studies say that the best way to predict future behavior is past behavior. "Remorse" doesn't predict future behavior once a person has an established record of crime. After a while, remorse looks like the excuse that it is.

It would be far more humane if the Israelis would just settle for "an eye for an eye" vengeance and stop pretending that they care a whit for Palestinians. They'd kill far fewer people that way.

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Sunday, January 27, 2008 7:36 AM

CHRISISALL

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Originally posted by badkarma00:
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...Repetative expired-equine impacts...

He he, I like that. Mind if I use it? That's a very creative way of saying 'beat a dead horse'.

Although I just made it up, I can't believe someone somewhere before me hasn't come up with it too. Use it at will. (or at sally or james...)

He he Chrisisall

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Monday, January 28, 2008 3:09 PM

JONGSSTRAW

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Originally posted by Kirkules:
The total inability of some to see the clarity of Finn's arguments and facts, can only lead me to believe we are dealing with the "insane". Of course their insanity does make their Jew hating and terrorist sympathy more understandable.

It's about time for the Israelis to put a bad ass dude like Benjamin Netanyahu back in power. Peace through strength is the only way in the middle east.

Kirkules, I left this thread a week ago because I feel that most of the people here are hopelessly & devilishly obtuse in their in-ability to see a very simple truth. I'd love to see Netanyahu put an end to Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad etc., and ultimately Iran itself. Nice to see that you and a couple of others continue to fight the battle. I think it's a waste of time, but I do appreciate your words of support of my previous posts.

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