Between Hero and Piratenews.... by chrisisall

...it's like an agonizer....

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Friday, February 8, 2008 12:11 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Actually, I find it amusing, it's a bit like a WWF cage match watching those two go at it.

I think they're both equally bonkers though.

But really, doesn't everyone to some degree think they are the only sane one in a land that's just chock fulla nuts ?

Part of bein human, I guess.

-F

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Friday, February 8, 2008 12:18 PM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Actually, I find it amusing, it's a bit like a WWF cage match watching those two go at it.

Yeah, it can be very funny...

But then sometimes I feel like Kirk on Triskellion...

Those two are a few quatlloos short of a bet.
But, they do exemplify the two ends of our spectrum here, I guess.

One big familyisall

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Friday, February 8, 2008 12:39 PM

FLETCH2

Well you might not like Hero's viewpoint or his opinions but at least he's not delusional or raging gonzo insane.

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Friday, February 8, 2008 12:48 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch2:
Well you might not like Hero's viewpoint or his opinions but at least he's not delusional or raging gonzo insane.

SAY IT!!

Hero's...not...insane....

AGAIN!!!!!

Hero's...not...not.........
AUGHHHHHHHHH!!!!

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Friday, February 8, 2008 1:12 PM

KIRKULES

Hero is not only sane, he also has an excellent sense of humor. I enjoy Pirate News's posts, but he needs to take a chill pill. Considering the nature of his posts, you can't blame Hero for having a little fun with them.

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Friday, February 8, 2008 1:29 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

Strokes chin - philosophically speaking, what sanity, really ? If one is well adapted to an insane world, is one sane ? Or insane ?

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Friday, February 8, 2008 2:01 PM

America loves a winner!

HERO - Sensible, thoughtful, sincere views and comments based in common sense and logic. What good folk ought to be thinking.

PN - Intentionally outside the lines, hate filled propaganda, pointless anarchistic crap and the utmost worst of human debris.

Between the two? A COSMOS.

*personally thinks Chrisisall could have found a far,far better use for his flippy new Kirk sig. I'm just sayin'. *

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Friday, February 8, 2008 5:30 PM

No suprise who his backers are here. The neo-cons all defend their bright shiny lawyer. Yanno the type... the ones who think they have the monopoly on morals and know "what good folk ought to be thinking".

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

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Friday, February 8, 2008 6:23 PM

America loves a winner!

not a neo-con here. but yeah, what good folk aught to be thinking is what aught to be promoted, more often than not.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Friday, February 8, 2008 7:16 PM

The difference between Hero and Piratenews is that Hero is not delusional. His point of view, while not necessarily everyone’s ball of wax, is based on a reason perspective. Priatnews is a tinfoil-hat type. I don’t know if Piratenews is just putting on a show or if he’s really a fruitcake, but certainly nothing he says can be taken seriously. I don’t even read his posts - the few that I have read have been so disjointed and delusional that I don’t know that anything intelligent can be gleaned from them. Hero on the other hand, not only has a very respectable degree of expertise in a topic, but he’s also pretty rational. Now one may not agree with his point of view, but that’s something entirely different from his point of view being delusional.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Friday, February 8, 2008 7:22 PM

FLETCH2

I said the same thing in one sentence

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Friday, February 8, 2008 8:25 PM

I'm not completely convinced that Pirate News isn't right about a lot of stuff, but he hasn't sold me on much either. Of course I'd like not to believe any of it becase a lot of it is just so horrible to even entertain possibly believing. I just think that desire for us to not believe that stuff lends itself to it's unbelievablility. Doesn't the idea about Murdoch and his communist wife bother you?

I give him 50/50 on what he says anyways. Just because Fux or CoNN don't report it doesn't mean that it's not true. People in power tend to be real dicks, and I wouldn't put anything past them. They're just humans like you in me, but with a lot more control over other people.

Can he work on his presentation? I think that goes without saying, sure, but I think to varying degrees the same could be said about any one of us. I know it can be said of me.

Hero on the other hand is just a dick for the sake of being a smug dick. It almost seems like everytime he opens his mouth it's just to show off to the world what a big dick he is.

We get it man. Your dick is huge, your car is fast and your money never runs out at your cushy government job. woo hoo

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

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Saturday, February 9, 2008 4:25 AM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
The difference between Hero and Piratenews is that Hero is not delusional. His point of view, while not necessarily everyone’s ball of wax, is based on a reason perspective.

If you say so.

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Priatnews is a tinfoil-hat type. I don’t know if Piratenews is just putting on a show or if he’s really a fruitcake, but certainly nothing he says can be taken seriously.

So truth from the mouth of a madman is...lies? So a fire alarm that occasionally goes off for unknown reasons should be entirely ignored until it has been 'certified' as fixed, even if there is smoke?
See Finn, you react, you don't absorb or process. Hero seems more reasonable, so he is. PN seems less reasonable, so he is. The fact that PN has more constructive things to add to a discussion than "Government is always right, Bush is great, the war is swell, I rule as a prosecutor, our economy is fine for me, blah blah blah" doesn't enter into it for you because PN takes more 'work' to understand, and he tends to dip into crazy anti-Jew territory a bit too much. But go ahead and label him a tin-foil type, it's what conservatives use to dismiss that which they fear to be true ("Our government would never conduct crazy experiments to create an ultimate soldier, that's tin-foil hat thinking"). I used to write him off because of his style too, but when I actually read a few posts and culled out the real stuff, I realized he had some points. Hero almost never does, except as a status-quo cheerleader (and he can deliver the funny).

Chrisisall

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Saturday, February 9, 2008 4:36 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

We get it man. Your dick is huge, your car is fast and your money never runs out at your cushy government job. woo hoo

I've heard of penis envy, but wow!

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Saturday, February 9, 2008 5:10 AM

KIRKULES

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
it's what conservatives use to dismiss that which they fear to be true ("Our government would never conduct crazy experiments to create an ultimate soldier, that's tin-foil hat thinking"). I used to write him off because of his style too, but when I actually read a few posts and culled out the real stuff, I realized he had some points. Hero almost never does, except as a status-quo cheerleader (and he can deliver the funny
Chrisisall

I think your characterization of the thinking of most conservatives misses the mark. The reason conservatives are often quick to dismiss grand conspiracies is because we think the government is a bunch of incompetent bureaucrats, not because we trust the government. It would be inconsistent for me to believe the government is incompetent, and then give them credit for being able to pull off complicated conspiracies. I don't doubt that some in the government attempt conspiracies. What I doubt is that you could get enough government employees to take part in your conspiracy when they can just sit at their desk counting down the days to early retirement and get paid the same.

I can only speak for myself, but I don't trust the government in the slightest. I do however trust in our form of government. When half of the government is conservative and the other half liberal, I doubt they could get together on too many conspiracies.

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Saturday, February 9, 2008 5:33 AM

KIRKULES

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Originally posted by rue:
Strokes chin - philosophically speaking, what sanity, really ? If one is well adapted to an insane world, is one sane ? Or insane ?

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I can't believe I agree with you on something. The only real difference between the insane and the rest of us is that we recognise our insanity when it occurs. Recognizing it enables us to maintain the illusion that we are in control.

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Saturday, February 9, 2008 6:51 AM

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Originally posted by Kirkules:

I think your characterization of the thinking of most conservatives misses the mark.

I must apologize for this broad and arguably inaccurate statement...I should have just said 'so many people'

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The reason conservatives are often quick to dismiss grand conspiracies is because we think the government is a bunch of incompetent bureaucrats, not because we trust the government.

I disagree, I think they are VERY competent- at justifying their jobs and creating new ones for their friends, and at working with corporations to help make them rich. They are also good at finding no end of wasteful use for tax dollars, including but not limited to projects like MKULTRA,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKULTRA
and then relying on disbelief and short memory to make it all go away.

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When half of the government is conservative and the other half liberal, I doubt they could get together on too many conspiracies.

That would seem to make sense, but the conspiracies are carried out by neither- they are perpetrated by those whose political beliefs are merely greed and control.

Chrisisall

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Saturday, February 9, 2008 7:08 AM

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Originally posted by Fletch2:
I said the same thing in one sentence

Yes, you did, and you get a cookie for succinctness.

I however come from a long line of proud verbose people.

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Saturday, February 9, 2008 7:13 AM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Quote:
Originally posted by Fletch2:
I said the same thing in one sentence

Yes, you did, and you get a cookie for succinctness.

I think that only works with Buffy...

Just sayin'isall

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Saturday, February 9, 2008 7:15 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
So truth from the mouth of a madman is...lies?

It’s your presumption that it’s truth. You probably don’t actually believe this crap your spewing about some hidden truth in Piratenews. More likely you know his posts are delusional and since you don’t agree with Hero’s opinions on the Iraq war or the Bush administration you have created this post to attack him by comparing him to someone you know to be consistently delusional. You’re whole point here is to say, “see, you if you agree with the Bush administration your worse then a jew-hating crazy person.”

And on some level you want to believe the crazy conspiracies. They are enticingly simplistic with a certain poetic balance that the complex frightening real world lacks. It’s easier to believe the crazy conspiracy theories then it is to accept a world where dumb chance and a single bullet can change the direction of nations.

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Saturday, February 9, 2008 7:20 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
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Originally posted by Fletch2:
I said the same thing in one sentence

Yes, you did, and you get a cookie for succinctness.

I think that only works with Buffy...

I miss Buffy. I used to watch her every morning before I went to work. All those teen-angst vampire-slaying analogies and fashionable wheden-speak helped to center me for the day.

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Saturday, February 9, 2008 7:25 AM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
You probably don’t actually believe this crap your spewing about some hidden truth in Piratenews.

It varies from 'not at all' to 'very much so'.

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you have created this post to attack him by comparing him to someone you know to be consistently delusional. You’re whole point here is to say, “see, you if you agree with the Bush administration your worse then a jew-hating crazy person.”

Ah, no.....my point was to use my newfound crazy Kirk-in-pain image, and what better way than to point out the extremes of Hero's 'patriotic' party line or PN's 'everything's a conspiracy'?

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It’s easier to believe the crazy conspiracy theories then it is to accept a world where dumb chance and a single bullet can change the direction of nations.

I believe in both.

Chrisisall

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Saturday, February 9, 2008 7:51 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Ah, no.....my point was to use my newfound crazy Kirk-in-pain image, and what better way than to point out the extremes of Hero's 'patriotic' party line or PN's 'everything's a conspiracy'?

Okay, I can see that. And the Kirk-in-pain animation is pretty cool.

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Saturday, February 9, 2008 8:02 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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It’s your presumption that it’s truth. You probably don’t actually believe this crap your spewing about some hidden truth in Piratenews. More likely you know his posts are delusional...

Have you ever checked into the stuff that PN posts? About 50% of any post is sheer hogwash (the Jewish-Nazi-British conspiracy part.)

Personally, I don't have the time to sort thru the crap to get to the gems. And besides, I already knew about MK Ultra, depleted uranium rounds, the Bohemian Grove, and the way that Likud sympathizers got a hold of our foreign policy for several years. But don't dismiss everything that PN says because about 30% is scarily true.

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Saturday, February 9, 2008 8:14 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Personally, I don't have the time to sort thru the crap to get to the gems. And besides, I already knew about MK Ultra, depleted uranium rounds, the Bohemian Grove, and the way that Likud sympathizers got a hold of our foreign policy for several years. But don't dismiss everything that PN says because about 30% is scarily true.

Yes. Half-truths are the hallmark of conspiracy theorist.

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Saturday, February 9, 2008 8:30 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Yeah. But it's the true half that should be disturbing you mightily.

I think PNs problem is he focuses on all the seriously dangerous crap that's going on, and he just can't understand that it's all not a result of a grand conspiracy. Personally, I think he gives the human race far too much credit because he just can't imagine such egregious stupidity.

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Saturday, February 9, 2008 9:26 AM

FLETCH2

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Quote:
Originally posted by Fletch2:
I said the same thing in one sentence

Yes, you did, and you get a cookie for succinctness.

I however come from a long line of proud verbose people.

You know that you are using an unequal part of the worlds limited reserve of Blarney? If Rue has it her way excess verbage over and above that needed for conversation will be removed and redistributed to grammar deprived children in the third world?

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Saturday, February 9, 2008 3:54 PM

SIMONWHO

Check out the first link for sociopath:

http://www.hss.caltech.edu/~mcafee/Bin/sb.html

and conspiracy nut:

http://clublet.com/why?ConspiracyNut

Remind anyone of anyone?

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Saturday, February 9, 2008 5:41 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

We get it man. Your dick is huge, your car is fast and your money never runs out at your cushy government job. woo hoo

I've heard of penis envy, but wow!

Yes. This is really just my way of saying I love Hero and I want to hop on his rod. With Valentines day coming up and all, I was hoping that he would come by around 8:00PM and pick me up for a night on the town in that fast car and he reach down into that wallet of infinity of his and spend it all wining and dining me. I would SSSSOOOOOOOO make it worth his while. And you dont' even have to wonder if you're invited in for a nightcap Hero because I'll tell you now you already are.

What say you loverboy? I hope that doesn't clash too much with your "Conservative" sensibilities. I would hate to think this beautiful relationship is over before it's even begun. Don't make a guy cry on Valentine's day.

Yes... I know I am crazy. I believe every morning when I wake up that I have gotten crazier. Some would even say that that this awareness makes me all the more sane every day. I discuss this daily with my other personalities, but we haven't come to an agreement yet. We rarely ever do on anything.

Conspiracy theories don't come from any of the idiots you see on TV. At best, those idiots are only pawns in the game, just like the rest of us. You don't even know the names of he puppet masters and you never will. Nor do I or will I. Nor do most (possibly all) government officials in the public eye either. There is no-one micromanaging every little thing we do. The control couldn't possibly ever have gotten that deep (although I fear it may when we're a cashless society and technology makes it fiscally possible). There are just hands that guide the collective this way or that, and plenty of chance is involved and a single bullet can change the direction of the nation. The scope of the concentrated power is such though that even the death of JFK, which may not have been a conspiracy at all, was just a blip on the radar for the hands that rule the world.

The truth is that someday, probably in a lot of our lifetimes, technology will have made that leap to be at the point that everything we do is tracked 24/7. Will this be used benevolently, or as a means of tyranny? Will we even care when we're all drugged up on soma and riddled with ADD? Guess that all depends on the temperment of the puppet masters.

Everyone here in Jack's head hopes for all of our sakes they're nicer than we are.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

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Saturday, February 9, 2008 10:12 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Not all puppetmasters work for "the man", Jack.

I highly suggest you learn to play Go.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_(board_game)

-F

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Saturday, February 9, 2008 10:41 PM

This game is infinately cool Frem. Funny how the puppet masters have done such a good job pitting the big two races here against each other for so long... somewhat like a game of Go, don't you think?

What a strange coincidence you would point this out to me today. It was only about 2 weeks ago that I discovered a little gem of an arcade game from Japan that I had on my XBox that was this very game. I had never heard of it or played it until then. The title of the arcade escapes me, but I do believe that either "Go" or "Goe" were in the title. Thanks for letting me know the real name of it.

I wonder if they have this on Yahoo games or anything. Maybe we should get together sometime on Yahoo and have a Go at it.

Haha.... My first pun on RWED. You can all feel free to stone me to death now.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

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Sunday, February 10, 2008 5:41 AM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Half-truths are the hallmark of conspiracy theorist.

Remember, there's a difference between a conspiracy based on half-truths, and a number of conspiracies, half of which are true.

Chrisisall

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Sunday, February 10, 2008 6:23 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Remember, there's a difference between a conspiracy based on half-truths, and a number of conspiracies, half of which are true.

BINGO!

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Sunday, February 10, 2008 6:24 AM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by SimonWho:
Check out the first link for sociopath:

http://www.hss.caltech.edu/~mcafee/Bin/sb.html

and conspiracy nut:

http://clublet.com/why?ConspiracyNut

Remind anyone of anyone?

Both sound exactly like PN.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Sunday, February 10, 2008 10:06 AM

FREDGIBLET

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
The truth is that someday, probably in a lot of our lifetimes, technology will have made that leap to be at the point that everything we do is tracked 24/7. Will this be used benevolently, or as a means of tyranny?

The answer is yes.

Also:

"In truth, the insane deny their insanity, which only proves them to be demented. The sane, however, deny this as well, which also proves them to be demented. Those that accept their insanity are truly sane, and it is our sad duty to watch over you all and take the scissors away from you, if only to use them on ourselves. Because we want out of this thing you call 'life' much more than you do, and damned if you're getting out before us."

No idea who said it.

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Monday, February 11, 2008 7:08 AM

HERO

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
What say you loverboy? I hope that doesn't clash too much with your "Conservative" sensibilities. I would hate to think this beautiful relationship is over before it's even begun. Don't make a guy cry on Valentine's day.

Much as I would like to drop my hot girlfriend for some fella I just met on the internet...I'll have to respectfully decline.

For the record...I've been poking at PN for a while now. My only question is how come the rest of you don't? Its like poking a sleeping animal, except animals display at least some tiny form of common sense.

The guy thinks the Tennessee State Patrol is a Nazi Death Squad dispatched by Jewish Queen Elizabeth to kill him with traffic tickets. If you can't laugh at that then you are sad and miserable people.

H

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Monday, February 11, 2008 7:52 AM

FREDGIBLET

As for me, I just skip his posts entirely, it's not worth the effort of digging through them to separate the content from the crap and then checking to see if the content is valid.

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Monday, February 11, 2008 12:53 PM

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Originally posted by Hero:

The guy thinks the Tennessee State Patrol is a Nazi Death Squad dispatched by Jewish Queen Elizabeth to kill him with traffic tickets.

You say that like it's not true or something...

He goes so far with the ritalin-feuled "Government is pure evil" thing, and you go so far with the uber-calm "Government deserves our complete trust" thing, I bet somewhere in infinity, you two become one.

Chrisisall

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Thursday, February 14, 2008 12:28 AM

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Originally posted by Hero:
Much as I would like to drop my hot girlfriend for some fella I just met on the internet...I'll have to respectfully decline.

She can come too man. I'm cool like that.

If you change your mind, I'll be waiting in front of my poor people's apartment at 8:00 Central tonight.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

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Thursday, February 14, 2008 12:33 AM