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hhaha look at the poll results. about half way down the article.

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And that is proof that he is a Muslim? Because 49% of an anonymous internet poll think he is Muslim?

Please answer the question. Where is your proof that he was a Muslim before he ran for office?

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Originally posted by SignyM:
The voices in his head told Tholo.

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All you're doing is name calling & flaming at the same time. In a few short sentences you've managed to hurl insults at about 95% of all Americans. Congrats! You're today's winner...so far.

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Typical hypocrisy of a liberal. Hates Bush with a passion, but loves murderous commie bastard.

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...to defeat Hitler who didnt bomb us by the way!

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hhaha look at the poll results. about half way down the article.

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And that is proof that he is a Muslim? Because 49% of an anonymous internet poll think he is Muslim?

Please answer the question. Where is your proof that he was a Muslim before he ran for office?

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never said it was proof, just thought it was funny.

What will you accept as proof? CNN,CBS, ABC, FOX, or what? I have found that the proof is in the pudding. Playing the proof war is a waste of time, I can look for hours and never find proof good enough for anyone on this board.

What will you call proof? His own camp? yea sure they will admit it? Not during an election, they won't.

Once again I will find proof, but I think it is a waste of time on message boards.


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I can look for hours and never find proof good enough for anyone on this board.

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Originally posted by rue:
I realize some people feel that repubicans and democrats are exactly the same. So here is a list of senators who voted for and against retroactive immunity for corporations that illegally helped the government illegally spy on 10% of US citizens:

48 of 49 repubicans voted for the bill
Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burr (R-NC)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Dole (R-NC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hagel (R-NE)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lugar (R-IN)
Martinez (R-FL)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY) Senate minority leader
Murkowski (R-AK)
Roberts (R-KS)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Smith (R-OR)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stevens (R-AK)
Sununu (R-NH)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)
Wicker (R-MS)
0 repubicans out of 49 voted against the bill
1 repubican out of 49 did not vote
Graham (R-SC)

19 of 49 democrats voted for the bill
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Carper (D-DE)
Casey (D-PA)
Conrad (D-ND)
Inouye (D-HI)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lincoln (D-AR)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Webb (D-VA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
28 of 49 democrats voted against the bill
Akaka (D-HI)
Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Byrd (D-WV)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Murray (D-WA)
Reed (D-RI) Senate majority leader
Reid (D-NV)
Schumer (D-NY)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Tester (D-MT)
Wyden (D-OR)
2 democrats out of 49 did not vote
Clinton (D-NY)
Obama (D-IL)

1 of 1 I voted against the bill
Sanders (I-VT)

1 of 1 ID voted for the bill
Lieberman (ID-CT)
Not Voting - 3

It is illegal for the government to spy on US citizens without a warrant. It is also illegal for phone companies to tap or trace phone calls without a warrant.

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I can look for hours and never find proof good enough for anyone on this board.

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What was the proof that convinced YOU? I may not agree that it is proof enough, but I would like to see what kind of proof was good enough for you.

Thanks.

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It really scares the shit out of me that the only thing keeping a Muslim out of office of the President of the United states is the possible racism showing itself at the polls in November and the only possible outcome of a win over Obama would be McCain and Big Brother right behind him. And at least 8 more years of this pointless war....

R.I.P. Freedom, either way....

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You can't simply dismiss Obama so casually. Right now, he is becoming the Messiah for many in America. He is not giving many specifics now, and that is probably political genius. His first job is to get Hillary out of the way, then he'll take on McCain. But he is filling arenas with 20,000 young white middle-class voters, he's raising a million a day or more. He is delivering a message of "hope", and a lot of people either need that now, or are willing to elect a man on "faith". Faith that all will play out for the good. If he becomes President he will meet with his NSA, and Joint Chiefs, and Sec of Defense...he will see and hopefully understand the threats our country and friends face every day...he 'aint gonna be the same Obama as he is during the campaign...he'll become a President, and hopefully a good one. If my taxes go up $ 20 a week, and down the line Gay marriage becomes law of the land, I see that (for me) as a small price to pay if this man can restore America's greatness and respect in the world. I'm surprised at you 6ixstring..all you ever seem to do is bitch, and whine, and complain, and go woe is me. I would think that you would give the guy a chance. Those here that know my posts know that I'm a Republican most of my life, but I cannot vote for McCain. I am sick of the political fighting, and all the bitter hatred that Bush brought down on Americans through the media. We need some healing and bi-partisonship progress in this country. I will "suspend" my dis-belief and support Obama if he's the nominee. I don't wanna go thru another 16 years of personal attacks and hatred and petty political bullshit that has dominated the landscape through the Clinton / Bush years. If I can put faith in Obama, anybody can.

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In the spirit of all that, just allow me to say that your christ and your god are mere cumstains on the fabric of the universe. Hey, don't go gettin all offended-like! That would be narrow-minded of you! Besides, according to your book, Jeebus would forgive me anyway, so you're wasting your time.

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It really scares the shit out of me that the only thing keeping a Muslim out of office of the President of the United states is the possible racism showing itself at the polls in November and the only possible outcome of a win over Obama would be McCain and Big Brother right behind him. And at least 8 more years of this pointless war....

R.I.P. Freedom, either way....

I take no solace in the fact that Obama speaks well and looks good in a suit.

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You can't simply dismiss Obama so casually. Right now, he is becoming the Messiah for many in America. He is not giving many specifics now, and that is probably political genius. His first job is to get Hillary out of the way, then he'll take on McCain. But he is filling arenas with 20,000 young white middle-class voters, he's raising a million a day or more. He is delivering a message of "hope", and a lot of people either need that now, or are willing to elect a man on "faith". Faith that all will play out for the good. If he becomes President he will meet with his NSA, and Joint Chiefs, and Sec of Defense...he will see and hopefully understand the threats our country and friends face every day...he 'aint gonna be the same Obama as he is during the campaign...he'll become a President, and hopefully a good one. If my taxes go up $ 20 a week, and down the line Gay marriage becomes law of the land, I see that (for me) as a small price to pay if this man can restore America's greatness and respect in the world. I'm surprised at you 6ixstring..all you ever seem to do is bitch, and whine, and complain, and go woe is me. I would think that you would give the guy a chance. Those here that know my posts know that I'm a Republican most of my life, but I cannot vote for McCain. I am sick of the political fighting, and all the bitter hatred that Bush brought down on Americans through the media. We need some healing and bi-partisonship progress in this country. I will "suspend" my dis-belief and support Obama if he's the nominee. I don't wanna go thru another 16 years of personal attacks and hatred and petty political bullshit that has dominated the landscape through the Clinton / Bush years. If I can put faith in Obama, anybody can.

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Well, it looks like just you so far. But regardless of that, or anything else so witty you can come up with here, Mr. Obama IS going to be the next President. I suppose stating the reasons that I'll support him was a bad idea; the fact that John McCain has been a fucking Republican joke for 10 years, laughed at, scorned, ridiculed, and ultimately fucking despised by true Conservative Republicans..all this new-found love for him now makes me wanna puke! Screw him and the horse he rode in on with his pal Ted Kennedy. Obama baby! The good 'ole USA needs a charismatic leader now...don't fret guy, he won't let the terrorists destroy our country. And for all the rest, after so many years of humiliating fuck-ups, I'm more than willing to have some hope and faith in a new way.

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Also Kirkules....we have to sometimes be willing to accept and maybe even embrace change. I'm gonna be a grandfather in about a month, and lately all I think about even more than I have all my life is the future world for my children & grand-children. My time has come, maybe not totally gone at 55, but fading...it's a new world for them. They have a right to have the same hope & faith I had when I was young.

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It really scares the shit out of me that the only thing keeping a Muslim out of office of the President of the United states is the possible racism showing itself at the polls in November and the only possible outcome of a win over Obama would be McCain and Big Brother right behind him. And at least 8 more years of this pointless war....

R.I.P. Freedom, either way....

I take no solace in the fact that Obama speaks well and looks good in a suit.

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You can't simply dismiss Obama so casually. Right now, he is becoming the Messiah for many in America. He is not giving many specifics now, and that is probably political genius. His first job is to get Hillary out of the way, then he'll take on McCain. But he is filling arenas with 20,000 young white middle-class voters, he's raising a million a day or more. He is delivering a message of "hope", and a lot of people either need that now, or are willing to elect a man on "faith". Faith that all will play out for the good. If he becomes President he will meet with his NSA, and Joint Chiefs, and Sec of Defense...he will see and hopefully understand the threats our country and friends face every day...he 'aint gonna be the same Obama as he is during the campaign...he'll become a President, and hopefully a good one. If my taxes go up $ 20 a week, and down the line Gay marriage becomes law of the land, I see that (for me) as a small price to pay if this man can restore America's greatness and respect in the world. I'm surprised at you 6ixstring..all you ever seem to do is bitch, and whine, and complain, and go woe is me. I would think that you would give the guy a chance. Those here that know my posts know that I'm a Republican most of my life, but I cannot vote for McCain. I am sick of the political fighting, and all the bitter hatred that Bush brought down on Americans through the media. We need some healing and bi-partisonship progress in this country. I will "suspend" my dis-belief and support Obama if he's the nominee. I don't wanna go thru another 16 years of personal attacks and hatred and petty political bullshit that has dominated the landscape through the Clinton / Bush years. If I can put faith in Obama, anybody can.

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He rejected the Muslim faith when he started to run for office. His middlename is Hussianm, and he quit using it when started to run for office.

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I can't believe you guys honestly buy this Muslim crap! Do you really believe that the DNC is so monumentally stupid as to put their money on a Muslim, been putting their money on this Muslim since before 2004 in THIS political climate? Are you crazy?

And besides, he ain't a Muslim. His father was a Muslim. His father abandoned his family when the boy was 3. Obama went to a madrassa for a couple years when he lived in Indonesia. He also attended a Catholic school for a while. The man ain't a Muslim. His mom ain't a Muslim and his mom raised him. His step-father was a bad muslim with liver problems from drinking--a very bad Muslim. Obama ain't a Muslim.

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He's too close to it for me HK. Too much of a shadow of a doubt, too much of a mysterious past, little to no experience, and he has too many global interests for my tastes. He is an evil I don't know and he has the silver tounge of the serpent.

Put another black man in and I'll vote for him. In fact, I may just write in Al Sharpton like Frem.

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I would drop the Republicans in a second if the Dems would put forward a pro-growth, pro-2nd Amendment candidate. But that will never happen now with the far left running the Democrat party.

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Is it bad that I am pondering, perhaps some time in the future, dealing arms to both ends of our radical spectrum...

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Tholo, why do you refuse to answer? It is a simple question. What convinced you that Obama was a Muslim before running for office?

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...reporting by CNN in Jakarta, Indonesia and Washington, D.C., shows the allegations that Obama attended a madrassa to be false. CNN dispatched Senior International Correspondent John Vause to Jakarta to investigate. He visited the Basuki school, which Obama attended from 1969 to 1971. Vause reported he saw boys and girls dressed in neat school uniforms playing outside the school, while teachers were dressed in Western-style clothes.

"I came here to Barack Obama's elementary school in Jakarta looking for what some are calling an Islamic madrassa ... like the ones that teach hate and violence in Pakistan and Afghanistan," Vause said on the "Situation Room" Monday. "I've been to those madrassas in Pakistan ... this school is nothing like that."

"This is a public school. We don't focus on religion," Hardi Priyono, deputy headmaster of the Basuki school, told Vause. "In our daily lives, we try to respect religion, but we don't give preferential treatment."

"It's not (an) Islamic school. It's general," Winadijanto said. "There is a lot of Christians, Buddhists, also Confucian. ... So that's a mixed school."

Vause also interviewed one of Obama's Basuki classmates, Bandug Winadijanto, who claims that not a lot has changed at the school since the two men were pupils. Insight reported that Obama's political opponents believed the school promoted Wahhabism, a fundamentalist form of Islam, "and are seeking to prove it."


The Obama aide described Fox News' broadcasting of the Insight story "appallingly irresponsible." Fox News executive Bill Shine told CNN "Reliable Sources" anchor Howard Kurtz that some of the network's hosts were simply expressing their opinions.

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I find it ironic that for all our american ingenuity, the best we ever came up with was a cheesy toy company copy of a piss poor stoner design that foolishly blows it's own fouling into a chamber that can be jammed completely by a mere three grains of sand...

If Kalishnikov ever designed a car, the american auto industry would go bellyup completely within five years.

I favor the old school, red star, soviet-chinese com-bloc AK, it's just so damn ugly it's kind a cute and scary at the same time, like a happy, friendly bulldog.

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6ix: I look at the news like you do: Like a PN post. We're told only what the powers-that-be want us to hear. AFA Obama is concerned, I have no hope that he will ever "turn things around". His list and amounts of corporate donors is right up there with Hillary's. There are only a few politicians that I know who walk the talk, and that's Feingold, Kucinich, and Ron Paul.

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