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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
That is their real platform, their only platform. That's the reason why you're seeing a black man and a white woman doing so well this year.

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You may say I'm a dreamer. But I'm not the only one.

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Wealthy presidents helping out their wealthy friends is gonna do very little for a middle-class gal like me.

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The Reverend Jim Wallis, leader of Call to Renewal, a network of churches that fight poverty, told the New York Times that shortly after his election, Bush had said to him, "I don't understand how poor people think," and had described himself as a "white Republican guy who doesn't get it...

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There was a telling episode in 1999 when the Department of Agriculture came out with its annual statistics on hunger, showing that once again Texas was near the top. Texas is a perennial leader in hunger because we have 43 counties in South Texas (and some in East Texas) that are like Third World countries.

When the 1999 hunger stats were announced, Bush threw a tantrum. He thought it was some malign Clinton plot to make his state look bad because he was running for president. "I saw the report that children in Texas are going hungry. Where?" he demanded. "No children are going to go hungry in this state. You'd think the governor would have heard if there are pockets of hunger in Texas." You would, wouldn't you? That is the point at which ignorance becomes inexcusable. In five years, Bush had never spent time with people in the colonias, South Texas' shantytowns; he had never been to a session with Valley Interfaith, a consortium of border churches and schools and the best community organization in the state. There is no excuse for a governor to be unaware of this huge reality of Texas.

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
I disagree, but we've already established you will think what you want.
Perhaps I should have put more emphasis on the wealthy part. Wealthy presidents helping out their wealthy friends is gonna do very little for a middle-class gal like me. The change I want is someone who has seen more of that life and wants to do something to make life easier for me instead of their cronies.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

There is plenty of middle ground everywhere and in every issue. Most of us really aren't so different. This goes back to why I think the 2 party system is a sham. There is never two answers to any question. There is no all encompassing West and East, or Right and Wrong, or Republican or Democrat.

To label ourselves one or the other is to actively proclaim to everyone on the other "side" that you don't agree anything they stand for, when in reality, I'm sure there is a lot of things that the Democratic Party does that you don't like and at the same time there are many things about the Republicans that you like, if you took the chance to see what their real values are instead of living in a "one or the other" world where they have to be wrong on every issue becuase they are THEM and you are US.

This goes 10fold for Aurap and Finn, and Rue and Cantakethesky, and Frem and me. Yeah... even us. I know that he does a much much much much better job of it, but I tend to lose it often and shut people out. The truth is, every single regular poster in here could take the time to get to know the other side a bit more and learn some understanding.

When you step out of the box for a minute it's truly sad to see not only the behavior of everyone around you, but of yourself as well... This two party system has a lot of people at each other's throats.

People have to sacrafice up to 49% of their opinions or ideals or beliefs in order to align themselves with somebody who shares at least 51% of their own.

Think about it.....

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I'm sure there is a lot of things that the Democratic Party does that you don't like and at the same time there are many things about the Republicans that you like, if you took the chance to see what their real values are instead of living in a "one or the other" world where they have to be wrong on every issue becuase they are THEM and you are US.

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You may say I'm a dreamer. But I'm not the only one.

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Originally posted by arclight:
but the best, the absolute best...
"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I want you to help me change that."
barack obama

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... did you ever even THINK of doing any fact-checking before you posted this ? NAAAAH - of course not !

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Clinton was a fratboy - there was no doubt he loved to play. The difference is that the Bush-hater jokes aren’t really jokes at all, but disguised attempts at libel, political rhetoric or outright hatred. It’s one thing to make fun of a man for promiscuity who is repeatedly caught in marital infidelity - it’s something completely different to accuse a man of being a murderer, a terrorist or a fascist because you don’t agree with a political policy.

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