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Just askin'isall

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Originally posted by AURaptor:


In your world, the U.S. is played by Niska, and the terrorist are played by Mal and Wash ?

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Originally posted by rue:
Rap, you really need to read this: http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/ to get some insight into your conditi ... personality.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
No matter how hard you try, and it's clear that you're trying VERY hard, you won't be able to dismiss or explain away the Islamo-fascists wanting to take down Western civilization and desire to replace it w/ Sharia Law.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Just askin'isall

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Originally posted by SergeantX:

Actually, the hard part is explaining is your eagerness to do it for them.

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Originally posted by SergeantX:

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
No matter how hard you try, and it's clear that you're trying VERY hard, you won't be able to dismiss or explain away the Islamo-fascists wanting to take down Western civilization and desire to replace it w/ Sharia Law.

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Actually, the hard part is explaining is your eagerness to do it for them.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
That is an act of war, and we would be best served to use what ever means necessary to fight this war.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
That post makes absolutely no sense. Please try again, and this time, try some coherent thought before you type.

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Originally posted by Kirkules:
Niska wouldn't use water-boarding because it's not a horrific enough method to achieve his purpose. His idea was to maintain respect in the criminal comunity by showing how bad it would be for anyone that double-crossed him. I suspect he always tortured people in groups and allowed one to survive to spread the message.

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In your world, the U.S. is played by Niska, and the terrorist are played by Mal and Wash ?

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Well, the U.S. in this instance is playing more the role of the Alliance. And yes, Mal & Wash would be considered terrorists. Think about it - they're outlaws, smugglers, thieves, and scavengers, and they live on the outskirts of society, and try to tear that society down. What would you have us believe they are?

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Originally posted by rue:
A filing cabinet or a computer can store quite inconsistent notions and never lose a minute of sleep over their contradiction. Similarly a high (authoritatian) can have all sorts of illogical, self-contradictory, and widely refuted ideas rattling around in various boxes in his brain, and never notice it.
So can everybody, of course ... But research reveals that authoritarian followers drive through life under the influence of impaired thinking a lot more than most people do, exhibiting sloppy reasoning, highly compartmentalized beliefs, double standards, hypocrisy, self-blindness, a profound ethnocentrism, and--to top it all off--a ferocious dogmatism that makes it unlikely anyone could ever change their minds with evidence or logic.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
You don't write a ticket for groups who attack a country's war ship, eg _ USS COLE. That is an act of war, and we would be best served to use what ever means necessary to fight this war.

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Although waterboarding does not always cause lasting physical damage, it carries the risks of extreme pain, damage to the lungs, brain damage caused by oxygen deprivation, injuries (including broken bones) due to struggling against restraints, and even death. The psychological effects on victims of waterboarding can last for years after the procedure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding

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Originally posted by canttakesky:
Attack on a US warship is not large-scaled. It is glorified vandalism by low-rent guerillas.

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Blowing a 50 foot whole in a US warship is a “glorified vandalism?”

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A network of highly trained and wealthy terrorists

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Originally posted by canttakesky:
There should be a distinction between crime, organized crime, and war.

War is a "large-scaled violent conflict." Attack on a US warship is not large-scaled. It is glorified vandalism by low-rent guerillas.

9/11 was large-scaled. That was an act of war.

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Originally posted by canttakesky:
Now a succession of dozens of attacks, steadily launched over decades as is done in Israel--that is large scaled and can be considered war.

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Originally posted by canttakesky:
Uh yeah. I have yet to see evidence of "highly trained" and/or "wealthy."

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But your statement was - as usual - very broad - 'society never gets the right to set any rules' - while indeed it does.

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Originally posted by rue:
Sounds good to me.

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So the lack of formal ruling structures doesn't automatically mean you get more personal freedom.

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Do authorities have the right to quarantine large numbers of people when there is no proven risk in order to ensure the safety of other people in general ?

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Now I'm pretty sure that if the gov stuck Frem with a $10,000 a month tax surcharge and threatened to take his house he'd be up in arms about it but this is a resident's association we are talking about.

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How would Mal and Wash be considered terrorists? You said it yourself. They are smugglers, thieves, scavengers, NOT terrorists.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
How about if I lead an army of "insurgents" into battle against your army and your empire?

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I'm just trying to see if your real-life view corresponds at all to your view of the show, because from an Alliance point of view, Mal and gang would absolutely be considered terrorists.

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Originally posted by rainstick:

Seriously though, shouldn't you be having this discussion in the offtopic area?

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
And seriously, you don't see how Mal & Co. could be seen as terrorists? So, ummmm, if I raid a hospital and dispose of some government agent types who are hunting me, then in your eyes that is NOT an act of terrorism, is that correct? Is that the way you want to call it?

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
How about if I lead an army of "insurgents" (such as the Reavers in the movie "Serenity") into battle against your army and your empire?

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I'm just trying to see if your real-life view corresponds at all to your view of the show, because from an Alliance point of view, Mal and gang would absolutely be considered terrorists. And you seem to have nothing if not an Alliance point of view, jawohl?

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