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The last major remnant of Saddam Hussein's nuclear program -- a huge stockpile of concentrated natural uranium -- reached a Canadian port Saturday, completing a secret U.S. operation that included a two-week airlift from Baghdad and a long ship voyage.

The removal of more than 600 tons of yellowcake, the seed material for higher-grade nuclear enrichment, was a significant step toward closing the books on Hussein's nuclear legacy. It also relieved U.S. and Iraqi concerns that the cache would reach insurgents or smugglers crossing to Iran to aid its nuclear ambitions.

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The IAEA knew about the yellowcake before we invaded.

..... It's not a big story.

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Nothing here but a story which completely and utterly justifies Bush's war on Iraq

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Nothing here but a story which completely and utterly justifies Bush's war on Iraq

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Kinda like UN Resolution 1441? Rapo, ya better do some fact-checking first. Justsayin'isall.

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Kinda like UN Resolution 1441? Rapo, ya better do some fact-checking first. Justsayin'isall.

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That's all you got ?

First, there was no yellow cake. Bush lied in his SOTU speech. Now, 600 TONS of the stuff ?

Huh.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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jeez invading canada wouldnt half their army run away or surrender on account of being french

im just going out,i may be some time

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they would be, every day...and the news media would cover it if they were saying it, as they always have.

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Also, can someone please point me to where it's been confirmed that the only possible use of yellowcake is for weapons-grade enriched uranium? I know Geezer was only joking about Canada, but you really should stop to think about it - if yellowcake is only useful for nuclear weapons programs, what the fuck is CANADA doing with it?!

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Also, can someone please point me to where it's been confirmed that the only possible use of yellowcake is for weapons-grade enriched uranium? I know Geezer was only joking about Canada, but you really should stop to think about it - if yellowcake is only useful for nuclear weapons programs, what the fuck is CANADA doing with it?!

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You are correct. I had neglected to remember that yellowcake is also a component in top grade floor wax and or dessert topping.





It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Nothing here but a story which completely and utterly justifies Bush's war on Iraq

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Nothing here but a story which completely and utterly justifies Bush's war on Iraq

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So...why aren't we slamming North Korea? Or better yet, China?
Your lack of logic still astounds me, AU.

Go have some yellowcake for desert.

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...eager to replace North Korea as an Axis of Evil.

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why have we not invaded them, or at the very least nuked them?

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Nothing here but a story which completely and utterly justifies Bush's war on Iraq

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So...why aren't we slamming North Korea? Or better yet, China?
Your lack of logic still astounds me, AU.

Go have some yellowcake for desert.

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Why haven't we invaded Pakistan? They're a Muslim nation, run by a dictator, known to be harboring terrorists (including Bin Laden himself, according to most sources - or what you'd call a "slam dunk") - why have we not invaded them, or at the very least nuked them?

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Nothing here but a story which completely and utterly justifies Bush's war on Iraq

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So...why aren't we slamming North Korea? Or better yet, China?
Your lack of logic still astounds me, AU.

Go have some yellowcake for desert.

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Oh, we are, but they didn't have 17 UN Resolutions specific to WMD and the use of it on their own civilian population and such, " that we are aware of , that is " .

There's no lack of logic here, what so ever. You just seem to think that if we can't catch all the criminals, we can't go after any.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


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Oh, we are, but they didn't have 17 UN Resolutions specific to WMD and the use of it on their own civilian population and such, " that we are aware of , that is " .

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Why haven't we invaded Pakistan? They're a Muslim nation, run by a dictator, known to be harboring terrorists (including Bin Laden himself, according to most sources - or what you'd call a "slam dunk") - why have we not invaded them, or at the very least nuked them?

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Because they already HAVE nuclear weapons dumbass! it's no fun if they can shoot back!

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The Iranian situation is a perfect example of UN & European ineptitude in dealing with aggressors.

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The Iranian situation is a perfect example of UN & European ineptitude in dealing with aggressors.

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Number of wars where Iran has been the aggressor: 0. Yeah, they're a real scary 'aggressor' there.

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but please don't be so absurdly naive not to know where all the trouble in the world comes from.

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You cannot be that obtuse, or so helplessly in denial NOT to know that Iran is the Motherland of Worldwide Terrorism.

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So why doesn't it add up? Because you have one ATOMIC bomb, and you're going up against Israel with their dozens of HYDROGEN bombs. In case you weren't aware of the difference, it's an order of magnitude. Literally. Atomics weapons such as the ones recently developed by North Korea have yields measured in kilotons (x1000 tons of TNT); hydrogen bombs have yields measured in megatons (x1,000,000 tons of TNT).

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Come on, you're just pissed they over threw your puppet government.

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So, as soon as we get some good intel that the rest of the world poses a viable and immediate threat to our way of life, it's nukes away, is it?
Too late pal, the Global Economy IS already eroding our way of life. And the biggest viable and immediate threat is Bushieboy.

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As you say, so it is...in your own mind anyway.

Why do you hate America, AU? Only an America-hater would cheer on it's destruction as led by your man Bush...

Oh, and BTW, THEM'S THE FACTS. You may not continue to dispute them, or I'll get UN sanctions for you to break so I can ram yellowcake down your douschey throat!!!!

Sorry...lost my usual quiet reserve for a moment there...apologies.



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Yellowcake is used in the preparation of fuel for nuclear reactors, where it is processed into purified UO2 for use in fuel rods for PHWR and other systems using unenriched uranium. It may also be enriched, by being converted to uranium hexafluoride gas (UF6), by isotope separation through gaseous diffusion or in a gas centrifuge to produce enriched uranium suitable for use in weapons and reactors.
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The Tuwaitha facility south of Baghdad already possessed yellow cake uranium. Between 1980 and 1982, Iraq procured more than 400 tons of yellowcake from Portugal and Niger which remained in a storage complex close to Tuwaitha. The facility and its yellowcake were monitored and frequently inspected by the International Atomic Energy Agency after the 1991 Gulf War. About 1.8 metric tons of "yellow cake" and 500 tons of unrefined uranium went missing as the Iraqis left Tuwaitha unattended during the war. When the facility was first encountered by U.S. Marines, they thought they had stumbled upon an illegal weapons cache; according to nuclear experts, however, they actually wound up breaking the IAEA seals that are "designed to ensure the materials aren't diverted for weapons use or end up in the wrong hands." The Pentagon dispatched a team to survey the site "after a month of official indecision", finding it heavily looted and said it was impossible to tell whether nuclear materials were missing.
In July of 2008, what was believed to be the last major remnant of Saddam Hussein's nuclear program, the United States government shipped 550 metric tonnes of concentrated natural uranium or yellowcake to Montreal, Canada. The Iraqi government sold the yellowcake to a Canadian uranium producer, Cameco Corp.

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Next you'll think the "news media" will let us in on the secret that algore actually didn't create the internet, Dan Blather wasn't really right, and 2/3 of all U.S. Presidential Impeachments really did involve Slick Willy.

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Gore never claimed that he "invented" the Internet, which implies that he engineered the technology. The invention occurred in the seventies and allowed scientists in the Defense Department to communicate with each other [through what was called ARPANet]. In a March 1999 interview with Wolf Blitzer, Gore said, "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."

Taken in context, the sentence, despite some initial ambiguity, means that as a congressman Gore promoted the system we enjoy today, not that he could patent the science, though that's how the quotation has been manipulated. Hence the disingenuous substitution of "inventing" for the actual language.

But the real question is what, if anything, did Gore actually do to create the modern Internet? According to Vincent Cerf, a senior vice president with MCI Worldcom who's been called the Father of the Internet, "The Internet would not be where it is in the United States without the strong support given to it and related research areas by the Vice President in his current role and in his earlier role as Senator."

The inventor of the Mosaic Browser, Marc Andreesen, credits Gore with making his work possible. He received a federal grant through Gore's High Performance Computing Act. The University of Pennsylvania's Dave Ferber says that without Gore the Internet "would not be where it is today."

Joseph E. Traub, a computer science professor at Columbia University, claims that Gore "was perhaps the first political leader to grasp the importance of networking the country. Could we perhaps see an end to cheap shots from politicians and pundits about inventing the Internet?"

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Gore had been involved with computers since the 1970s, first as a Congressman and later as Senator and Vice-President, where he was a "genuine nerd, with a geek reputation running back to his days as a futurist Atari Democrat in the House. Before computers were comprehensible, let alone sexy, the poker-faced Gore struggled to explain artificial intelligence and fiber-optic networks to sleepy colleagues." According to Campbell-Kelly and Aspray (Computer: A History of the Information Machine), up until the early 1990s public usage of the Internet was limited and the "problem of giving ordinary Americans network access had exercised Senator Al Gore since the late 1970s."
Of Gore's involvement in the then-developing Internet while in Congress, Internet pioneers Vint Cerf and Bob Kahn have also noted that,
As far back as the 1970s Congressman Gore promoted the idea of high speed telecommunications as an engine for both economic growth and the improvement of our educational system. He was the first elected official to grasp the potential of computer communications to have a broader impact than just improving the conduct of science and scholarship [...] the Internet, as we know it today, was not deployed until 1983. When the Internet was still in the early stages of its deployment, Congressman Gore provided intellectual leadership by helping create the vision of the potential benefits of high speed computing and communication. As an example, he sponsored hearings on how advanced technologies might be put to use in areas like coordinating the response of government agencies to natural disasters and other crises.
As a Senator, Gore began to craft the High Performance Computing and Communication Act of 1991 (commonly referred to as "The Gore Bill" ) after hearing the 1988 report Toward a National Research Network submitted to Congress by a group chaired by UCLA professor of computer science, Leonard Kleinrock, one of the central creators of the ARPANET (the ARPANET, first deployed by Kleinrock and others in 1969, is the predecessor of the Internet).
Indeed, Kleinrock would later credit both Gore and The Gore Bill (High Performance Computing and Communication Act of 1991) as a critical moment in Internet history:
A second development occurred around this time, namely, then-Senator Al Gore, a strong and knowledgeable proponent of the Internet, promoted legislation that resulted in President George Bush signing the High Performance Computing and Communication Act of 1991. This Act allocated $600 million for high performance computing and for the creation of the National Research and Education Network. The NREN brought together industry, academia and government in a joint effort to accelerate the development and deployment of gigabit/sec networking.
The bill was passed on Dec. 9, 1991 and led to the National Information Infrastructure (NII) which Gore referred to as the "information superhighway". President George H. W. Bush predicted that the bill would help "unlock the secrets of DNA," open up foreign markets to free trade, and a promise of cooperation between government, academia, and industry.

Prior to its passage, Gore discussed the basics of the bill in an article for the September 1991 issue of Scientific American entitled Scientific American presents the September 1991 Single Copy Issue: Communications, Computers, and Networks. His essay, "Infrastructure for the Global Village", commented on the lack of network access described above and argued: "Rather than holding back, the U.S. should lead by building the information infrastructure, essential if all Americans are to gain access to this transforming technology" [...] "high speed networks must be built that tie together millions of computers, providing capabilities that we cannot even imagine."

Perhaps one of the most important results of the Gore Bill was the development of Mosaic in 1993. This World Wide Web browser is credited by most scholars as beginning the Internet boom of the 1990s:
Gore's legislation also helped fund the National Center for Supercomputing Applications at the University of Illinois, where a team of programmers, including Netscape founder Marc Andreessen, created the Mosaic Web browser, the commercial Internet's technological springboard. 'If it had been left to private industry, it wouldn't have happened,' Andreessen says of Gore's bill, 'at least, not until years later.'

As Vice President, Gore promoted the development of what he referred to as the Information Superhighway. This was discussed in detail a few days after winning the election in November 1992 in the The New York Times article "Clinton to Promote High Technology, With Gore in Charge." They planned to finance research that "that will flood the economy with innovative goods and services, lifting the general level of prosperity and strengthening American industry." Specifically, they were aiming to fund the development of, "robotics, smart roads, biotechnology, machine tools, magnetic-levitation trains, fiber-optic communications and national computer networks. Also earmarked are a raft of basic technologies like digital imaging and data storage." These initiatives were met with some skepticism from critics who claimed that, "the initiative is likely to backfire, bloating Congressional pork and creating whole new categories of Federal waste." These initiatives were outlined in the report, Technology for America's Economic Growth. In September 1993, they released a report calling for the creation of a "nationwide information superhighway" which would primarily be built by private industry. Gary Stix commented on these initiatives a few months prior in his May 1993 article for Scientific American, "Gigabit Gestalt: Clinton and Gore embrace an activist technology policy." Stix described them as a "distinct statement about where the new administration stands on the matter of technology [...] gone is the ambivalence or outright hostility toward government involvement in little beyond basic science." Campbell-Kelly and Aspray further note in Computer: A History of the Information Machine:
In the early 1990s the Internet was big news.... In the fall of 1990 there were just 313,000 computers on the Internet; by 1996, there were close to 10 million. The networking idea became politicized during the 1992 Clinton-Gore election campaign, where the rhetoric of the Information Superhighway|information highway captured the public imagination. On taking office in 1993, the new administration set in place a range of government initiatives for a National Information Infrastructure aimed at ensuring that all American citizens ultimately gain access to the new networks.
These initiatives were discussed in a number of venues. Howard Rheingold argued in the 1994 afterword to his noted text, The Virtual Community: Homesteading on the Electronic Frontier, that these initiatives played a critical role in the development of digital technology, stating that, "Two powerful forces drove the rapid emergence of the superhighway notion in 1994 [...] the second driving force behind the superhighway idea continued to be Vice-President Gore." In addition, Clinton and Gore submitted the report, Science in the National Interest in 1994, which further outlined their plans to develop science and technology in the United States. Gore also discussed these plans in speeches that he made at The Superhighway Summit at UCLA and for the International Telecommunications Union.

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