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If the US is going to start wars to enforce UN resolutions, perhaps this should be the next target

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Mmmmmmm... Yellllllooowwwwcaaaake....from my very own reactor....Mmmmmmm

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Oh, we are, but they didn't have 17 UN Resolutions specific to WMD and the use of it on their own civilian population and such, " that we are aware of , that is "

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Gino, since when did you become such a Jew hater ? Are there any NAZIS in your family tree ?

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Rapo, there is one thing you STILL haven't gotten: Anyone who does evil is evil. It doesn't matter who you think you are.

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If the US is going to start wars to enforce UN resolutions, perhaps this should be the next target

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Gino, since when did you become such a Jew hater ? Are there any NAZIS in your family tree ?

Just curious.




It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


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As long as you're not the arbiter in deciding what 'evil' is, we'll be fine.

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As long as you're not the arbiter in deciding what 'evil' is, we'll be fine.

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Joe Wilson has no comment.


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Niger Yellowcake

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And you'd slag millions in their home countries just to appease your fear, so that makes you a good judge of what is "evil"?

Tell me rapo, were your parents such terrible hypocrites that you learned it at their knees?
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It's not a big mystery that Iraq had yellowcake, and had had it well BEFORE the FIRST GULF WAR. This is "news" like the fact that Bush is a liar, a murderer, and a draft-dodging coward is "news".

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Which draft did he dodge ? Seems to me, he jointed the Reserves, just like John Kerry. Did HE dodge the draft too ?

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Leave it to mental midget like yourself to bring in a person's family to distract away from the issues. You're sounding a lot like Neville Chamberlain , ignoring the real threat at the door step, with inane, hyper inflated charges of what I'd want to do -just to appease my fears. Dude, if you're not concerned w/ what's going on and who's doing it, then you're simply not awake. Don't point the finger at me or mine when your ignorance is the problem here, idiot.

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Leave it to mental midget like yourself to bring in a person's family to distract away from the issues. You're sounding a lot like Neville Chamberlain , ignoring the real threat at the door step, with inane, hyper inflated charges of what I'd want to do -just to appease my fears. Dude, if you're not concerned w/ what's going on and who's doing it, then you're simply not awake. Don't point the finger at me or mine when your ignorance is the problem here, idiot.

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I'm just trying to understand why you are ... the way you are. You very much operate on two sets of rules... one for "you and yours" which gives license to do anything (torture, starve, kill) and the other set of rules which applies to "everybody else". It boggles my mind that you can't see that the rules that you apply to "everybody else" are ALSO supposed to apply to "you and yours".

Can you explain to me the logic of saying: It's bad when "they" (torture, starve, kill) but okay when "we" (torture, starve, kill)?

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Yeah, he's been given a lot of mostly undeserved bad press, good ol' Churchill.

It's my understanding that Bush went AWOL.

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"We don't torture."

And second of all, you gotta' fix those delusions of yours.

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It's my understanding that Bush went AWOL.

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By all accounts Bush was an excellent pilot, but apparently his enthusiasm cooled. In 1972, four years into his six-year guard commitment, he was asked to work for the campaign of Bush family friend Winton Blount, who was running for the U.S. Senate in Alabama. In May Bush requested a transfer to an Alabama Air National Guard unit with no planes and minimal duties. Bush's immediate superiors approved the transfer, but higher-ups said no. The matter was delayed for months. In August Bush missed his annual flight physical and was grounded. (Some have speculated that he was worried about failing a drug test--the Pentagon had instituted random screening in April.) In September he was ordered to report to a different unit of the Alabama guard, the 187th Tactical Reconnaissance Group in Montgomery. Bush says he did so, but his nominal superiors say they never saw the guy, there's no documentation he ever showed up, and not one of the six or seven hundred soldiers then in the unit has stepped forward to corroborate Bush's story.

After the November election Bush returned to Texas, but apparently didn't notify his old Texas guard unit for quite a while, if ever. The Boston Globe initially reported that he started putting in some serious duty time in May, June, and July of 1973 to make up for what he'd missed. But according to a piece in the New Republic, there's no evidence Bush did even that. Whatever the case, even though his superiors knew he'd blown off his duties, they never disciplined him.

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Phfffftt! heh, excellent example of your keen critical analysis. Helps explain a lot of your posts. Do you pay CNN to give you the direct feed?

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Rapo, I'm completely at a loss on how you explain- to us or yourself- some of your ideas.

So bear with me for a few mental experiments. As a hypothetical, how would you feel if a squad of USA soldiers decided among themselves ... "Gorramit, we're tired of these friggin' rag-heads bucking our authority. They gotta straigthen up and fly right. So we're gonna grab a couple of kids and some old folks and women, and make an example out of 'em." Not saying that it happened, but IF it did, how would you feel about it?

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What's that indicative of? That Wilson knew that Niger produces uranium, or that he knew that Saddam had bought yellowcake there in the past?

What exactly is he supposed to comment on?

It's not a big mystery that Iraq had yellowcake, and had had it well BEFORE the FIRST GULF WAR.

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So bear with me for a few mental experiments. As a hypothetical, how would you feel if a squad of USA soldiers decided among themselves ... "Gorramit, we're tired of these friggin' rag-heads bucking our authority. They gotta straigthen up and fly right. So we're gonna grab a couple of kids and some old folks and women, and make an example out of 'em." Not saying that it happened, but IF it did, how would you feel about it?

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sooo, you're saying Joe Wilson KNEW there was yellow cake before he didn't know.

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With out specifics, it's hard to really answer your question. I know that sometimes, police and soldiers will do things which appear far worse than they are.... put on a show, as it were. It's the use of theatrics, of a sort, to explain in a loud, clear manner w/ out actually having to DO much of anything, that they mean business. I'm guessing some of this was done. Possibly quite well, too. Also, I'm guessing that sometimes things went overboard, and mistakes were made. Don't know for sure,but it being war and all, it can't be ruled out. That's all I got at this time.

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So that's who we were waterboarding, old folks, women, and children?

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Most have mom's and dads, brothers and sisters, etc.... family and friends back home, and it's not a stretch to wonder how they'd feel if their loved ones were done in a similar manner.

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So that's who we were waterboarding, old folks, women, and children?

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Do you even know the meaning of the word "hypothetical"? Apparently not!

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...How would you feel if a squad of USA soldiers decided among themselves ... "Gorramit, we're tired of these friggin' rag-heads bucking our authority. They gotta straigthen up and fly right. So we're gonna grab a couple of kids and some old folks and women, and make an example out of 'em."

Since this is a hypothetical situation assume that they grabbed... a one year-old baby girl, two-year old toddler boy, a five-year old girl, three boys ages six, eight and nine, a twelve year old girl, a teenage girl age 16, two teenage boys ages fiteeen and nineteen, all three mothers, and an elderly man and three elderly women. Let's assume that they raped everyone under the age of 16 and the mothers, and beat everyone to death. They mutilated the bodies and hung them up in the street. What I'm asking about is your "gut reaction", not a thought-out response.

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I'm trying to find Rapo's definitional boundaries. That is the purpose of hypothetical thought experiments. Apparently you don't understand that technique.

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So, if this had actually happened, what is YOUR gut reaction?

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Say a US soldier was captured and waterboarded to extract troop deployment intel instead of being beheaded, how would you feel about this hypothetical?

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I would be sickened and disgusted and hope those guilty are punished under the full extent of the law.

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Say a US soldier was captured and waterboarded to extract troop deployment intel instead of being beheaded, how would you feel about this hypothetical.

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With out specifics, it's hard to really answer your question. I know that sometimes, police and soldiers will do things which appear far worse than they are.... put on a show, as it were. It's the use of theatrics, of a sort, to explain in a loud, clear manner w/ out actually having to DO much of anything, that they mean business. I'm guessing some of this was done. Possibly quite well, too. Also, I'm guessing that sometimes things went overboard, and mistakes were made. Don't know for sure,but it being war and all, it can't be ruled out. That's all I got at this time.

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Since this is a hypothetical situation (and I was too tired last night to flesh out the situation, so to speak) assume that they grabbed... a one year-old baby girl, two-year old toddler boy, a five-year old girl, three boys ages six, eight and nine, a twelve year old girl, a teenage girl age 16, two teenage boys ages fiteeen and nineteen, all three mothers, and an elderly man and three elderly women. Let's assume that they raped everyone under the age of 16 and the mothers, and beat everyone to death. They mutilated the bodies and hung them up in the street.

What I'm asking about is your "gut reaction", not a thought-out response.

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I didn't ask about what you thought might happen afterwards, what I was wondering was: What would your gut reaction be if it DID happen? Let's say once you got past the initial disbelief. Would you be shocked? Horrified? Would you be looking for exculpatory evidence? Would you feel sad? How would you feel?

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Signy - I think you already got his gut reaction. His "gut reaction" would be that it never happened - couldn't; it's not possible. In other words, if this kind of thing is reported (My Lai, Abu Ghraib, etc.), it's simply made up. Never happened, never existed, nothing to see here, move along, because we all know Americans simply aren't capable of atrocities. That's the kind of thing that only a wicked, nefarious "they" would do.

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IN THE MILITARY
Haditha Marine prepares to sue Murtha over smear
Congressman had accused soldiers of killing 'in cold blood'
Posted: June 18, 2008
6:14 pm Eastern

© 2008 WorldNetDaily

Lt. Col. Jeffrey Chessani
With most of the eight Marines charged in the Haditha, Iraq, incident now exonerated, the highest-ranking officer among the accused is considering a lawsuit against Democratic Rep. John Murtha, who fueled the case by declaring the men cold-blooded killers.

In an interview with nationally syndicated radio talk host Michael Savage, the lead attorney for Lt. Col. Jeffrey Chessani said he and his client will look into suing Murtha and the Time magazine reporter, Tim McGuirk, who first published the accusations by Iraqi insurgents.

But the attorney, Brian Rooney, said nothing will happen immediately because he wants Chessani, described as a devout Christian and the father of six homeschooled children, completely "out of the woods" legally before any action is taken. The government, through Lt. Col. S.M. Sullivan, today filed a notice that it would appeal the case to the next judicial level.

As WND reported, a military judge at Camp Pendleton in California yesterday dismissed charges that Chessani failed to properly investigate the Nov. 19, 2005 incident in which 24 Iraqi men, women and children were killed.

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Bush Gang and Bill Clinton-Blythe Rockefeller performing "mock" human sacrifice to 50-foot tall idol of Molech/Lucifer/Satan at Jewish Bohemian Grove. That's a "live" human body burning as it screams in agony over the loudspeakers. Photo copyright Bohemian Club Corporation annual yearbook
http://www.43places.com/places/view/379646
http://www.nwowatcher.com/smf/index.php?topic=152
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemian_Grove

"But it's not just the ratty part of town. The upper class in San Francisco is that way. The Bohemian Grove, which I attend from time to time - it is the most faggy goddamn thing that you would ever imagine with that San Francisco crowd. I can't shake hands with anybody from San Francisco."
-President Richard "Dick" Nixon, White House audiotape, Nixon Presidential Library, 1971
http://www.prisonplanet.com/032604nixontape.html (audio download)

VIDEO DOWNLOAD: Dark Secrets Inside Bohemian Grove and The Order of Death
Two documentaries in one - An employee of Bohemian Grove presidential compound used undercover video to capture the 50-foot-tall idol of Molech and "mock" human sacrifice up close and in broad daylight - Undercover video by Infowars.com
http://www.lastingnetworks.com/alex/

VIDEO DOWNLOAD: Boners at Bohemian Grove
Music video and MP3 by Counter Coup and John Lee
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2740234893142263113
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VIDEO DOWNLOAD: Snuff kiddie porn at Bohemian Grove
Alex Jones of Infowars.com interviews Senator John DeCamp author of The Franklin Coverup, music by Counter Coup and Bohemian Club
http://one.revver.com/watch/248515
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=6497462494231069386

Moloch.
an ancient Phoenician and Ammonite god, to whom children were sacrificed by burning.
-Webster's New World Dictionary

"And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Again, thou shalt say to the children of Israel, Whosoever he be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel, that giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones. And I will set my face against that man, and will cut him off from among his people; because he hath given of his seed unto Molech, to defile my sanctuary, and to profane my holy name. And if the people of the land do any ways hide their eyes from the man, when he giveth of his seed unto Molech, and kill him not: Then I will set my face against that man, and against his family, and will cut him off, and all that go a whoring after him, to commit whoredom with Molech, from among their people."
-Leviticus 20:1-5, Christian Bible KJV

"And Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and went not fully after the LORD, as did David his father. Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon."
-1 Kings 11:6-7, Christian Bible KJV

Semite.
1 a : a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and ARABS - b : a descendant of these peoples - 2 : a member of a modern people speaking a Semitic language
-Merriam Webster Dictionary

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I guess your reactions are about the same as mine and pretty much everyone else's. I'm wondering what we find offensive. Would it make any difference if the victims were of combat-age? Or if the soldiers had shot their victims execution-style instead of raping them and beating them to death? Or if there was only one victim? At one point would you think... "meh"... and at what point would you be upset? And why?

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sooo, you're saying he knew about the yellow cake before he didn't know about the yellow cake?

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Hey brain donor...

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