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The US senate has passed a bill to shield telephone companies who helped in the White House's controversial warrantless wiretaps programme.

The bill also grants the US government the power to continue with the telephone surveillance scheme.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Unless the Constitutionality of the law is challenged. Not that I hold out much hope of SCOTUS defending the Constitution.

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Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama voted in favor of the measure.

His decision to back the bill drew criticism from some of his supporters, who pointed to past statements in which Mr Obama had pledged to block any bill which granted immunity to telecommunication companies.

"I wouldn't have drafted the legislation like this," said Mr Obama, in a statement on his website.

However, he added, "in a dangerous world, government must have the authority to collect the intelligence we need to protect the American people".

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Originally posted by SergeantX:
Things will be so much better when the Democrats get the majority in the Senate. Then they can put a stop to this kind of crap.

Oh, wait.... uhh......

Lookie, here's a quote from the "Candidate of Change" .

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Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama voted in favor of the measure.

His decision to back the bill drew criticism from some of his supporters, who pointed to past statements in which Mr Obama had pledged to block any bill which granted immunity to telecommunication companies.

"I wouldn't have drafted the legislation like this," said Mr Obama, in a statement on his website.

However, he added, "in a dangerous world, government must have the authority to collect the intelligence we need to protect the American people".

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So much for the audacity of hope...

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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Originally posted by SergeantX:
So much for the audacity of hope...

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Originally posted by Righteous9:
I'm not sure if Obama thinks he needs certain dem senators in his court, or if he's being consistent(while being inconsistent) by trying to extend a hand across the aisle for future gop support if he makes it into office, but I'll admit the enthusiasm is dead here.

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Originally posted by Khyron:
I guess it's about pissing off the smaller constituency. Vote against it, you'll lose all those people in the centre gullible enough to believe the BS that would've come from the right about him voting against this bill was a victory for the terrorists. Vote for it, you'll piss off some people mostly on the left, most of whom will vote for him anyway.

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Originally posted by Khyron:
I think he did it so that the GOP can't spin it into looking like he's weak on national security by voting against it.

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Originally posted by SergeantX:
Trying to be too clever can backfire.

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This might just as well piss off the considerable number of Americans, republican and democrat, fed up with police-state government.

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Originally posted by Hero:
Just like [...] town hall debates

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Now he wants to go give a speech in Berlin, cause we get so many foriegn leaders coming here to give election speeches.

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Originally posted by SergeantX:
So much for the audacity of hope...

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His next book will be called 'The Audacity of Doing or Saying Anything to Get Elected'

The sequel to that will be 'The Audacity of Being the Black Jimmy Carter'...look for that one in about four years.

H

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Originally posted by SignyM:
I hope Obama gets roundly b*tchslapped in the polls.

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I note for the record that ALL Republicans (except McCain, who was mysteriously absent) voted for the frigging bill.

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Originally posted by Khyron:
Surely even the average American isn't so stupid that he'll say he'd rather vote for the Republicans because he's disappointed Obama voted for FISA?

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Originally posted by Khyron:
I think he did it so that the GOP can't spin it into looking like he's weak on national security by voting against it.

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Yeah, that worked real good for Kerry.

Lets see...Obama was against wiretapping before he was for it....or was he for it or against it? Just like public financing, date-certain troop withdrawls, the DC gun ban, town hall debates, doing things differently, supporting his minister, etc.

Now he wants to go give a speech in Berlin, cause we get so many foriegn leaders coming here to give election speeches.

H

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Originally posted by SignyM:
AFA Obama is concerned... I'm ready to vote for someone else. The rest of you can vote for him, but I'd rather send a message to the Dem Party.

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I know Obama's position on FISA sucks, but come on, let's not get carried away here. There are only two viable candidates in this race for the White House, one of them is a hell of a lot better than the other one and he needs all the help he can get. Anyone as opposed to Bush's policies (and hence McCain's policies) as you are shouldn't be willing to throw Obama under the bus, even if it's a serious disagreement like this one. There are too many other things at stake in this election.

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Originally posted by Khyron:
There are only two viable candidates in this race for the White House, one of them is a hell of a lot better than the other one and he needs all the help he can get. Anyone as opposed to Bush's policies (and hence McCain's policies) as you are shouldn't be willing to throw Obama under the bus, even if it's a serious disagreement like this one. There are too many other things at stake in this election.

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