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Originally posted by SignyM:
Whattsa matta? Don't you trust capitalism? I thought "market forces" were supposed to save us!

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Fleets of SUV's
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
but I'd make the same claim about Gore - you're talking about ALL of his energy usage, not just his personal use. Yes, he has a large house - it's also the headquarters for SEVERAL different groups that he runs.

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Originally posted by Geezer:

But Mr. Gore is the prophet of Manmade Global Warming and wants us all to create a bunch less carbon, regardless of the sacrifice. Shouldn't he set a good example?

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Shouldn't he set a good example?

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Zoning rules in Al Gore's upscale neighborhood kept the former vice president and environmental activist from installing solar panels on his roof. Gore bought his multimillion dollar home in 2002 in Belle Meade, an exclusive city encircled by metropolitan Nashville, and he has been ramping up an ambitious renovation ever since. But his contractors ran into a legal barrier last summer when they sought to apply for a permit to install solar panels on the roof. Terry Franklin, Belle Meade's building officer, said the town only allows power generating equipment to be placed on the ground level. "Solar panels are generators," Franklin said. "We told them they couldn't do it," he said. "They wanted to try anyway, but we convinced them it was something the board wouldn't allow".

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"Short of tearing it down and staring anew, I don't know how it could have been rated any higher," said Kim Shinn of the U.S. Green Building Council, which gave the house its second-highest rating for sustainable design. Gore's improvements cut the home's summer electrical consumption by 11 percent compared with a year ago, according to utility records reviewed by The Associated Press. Most Nashville homes used 20 percent to 30 percent more electricity during the same period because of a record heat wave. Shinn said Gore's renovations are impressive because his home, which is more than 80 years old, had to meet the same rigorous standards as new construction. "One of the things that is tremendously powerful about what the Gores have done is demonstrate that you can take a home that was a dog, an absolute energy pig, and do things to correct that," Shinn said.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

I was watching a show called B.S. today on cable, which features Penn and Teller, the entertainer/magicians who love to debunk everything. Their shows typically involve some good points and some questionable arguments as they try to debunk various beliefs.

On this show, the pair said that Al Gore offsets his 'carbon signature' by purchasing 'carbon credits.' These credits are ostensibly used to purchase 'green' initiatives like tree-planting and renewable research, etc.

They also said that he owns the company that sells him (and others) these 'carbon credits.'

Is this true, and if so, does it bother anyone else?

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Originally posted by rue:
"Due to zoning and building codes, Al Gore has been slightly delayed in installing solar panels to make his home/ office building energy independent. However, I understand that as of 8 months ago he finally got clearance from the code engineers and is installing solar panels apace.

He and his wife own and drive a hybrid (Lexus) as do his children in their every-day lives. But when attending large public functions he uses a(n) (armored) SUV. (Kinda' hard to armor a Prius, know what I mean ? )"

So, out of curiosity ---- was ANY of this is any of those 'news' stories ?



I thought not.


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Originally posted by SignyM:
Whozit: Calling Gore a snake-oil salesman only works if he's selling snake oil. But what if everything that Al Gore is saying is... the truth? Your name-calling kinda falls apart then, doesn't it? Before name-calling gets any traction around here you actually have to refute the point under discussion. Otherwise we'll all just call "bullshit" 'cause we all recognize a hollow ad hominem when we hear one.

AFA John Edwards... not sure I take it too seriously. And even if he had a mistress, not sure I care.

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There are scientists who do not belive in "Man made" global warming, but they're ignored by the press

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I care that he had a misteress AND a love child because he always put himself out there as as a man of the people.

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There are scientists who do not belive in "Man made" global warming, but they're ignored by the press

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But the vast majority of scientists think otherwise. And as far as I can tell, the arguments against global warming have been pretty thoroughly disproven, scientifically. So if you're admittedly not an expert, why would you chose to rely on one set of "expert" opinions... and a minority set at that... over another set of "expert" opnions?

AFA Edwards... the story was broken, I think, by the National Enquirer, which also broke the story about the mink coat that came to life, bit it's owner to death, and ran off. Gonna let than one percolate for a while before I form an opinion. But if your view of individuals is based on their sexual escapades, how do you feel about Karl Rove and Haggard being closeted gays? Or Mark Foley soliciting teenage boys? Or John David Roy Atchison, Republican prosecutor, being arrested for soliciting sex from a 5-year old girl? (He killed himself later). Or Loius Beres, chair of the Christian Coalition, who molested three pre-teen family members? www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/Republican_Sex_Scandals

Plenty of sex scandals to go around, even by people who claim to be guardians of our morality.

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Originally posted by rue:
"The Republican sex scandals percolated for YEARS ..." and sometimes, decades. The worst ones may never come to light.

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Originally posted by rue:
But Edwards didn't commit any CRIMES like the repubicans did, and in fact the only place that's making any claims (totally without proof, of course) is the tabloid - and so, your point is ... ?

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Does this give you pause to consider where you get your opinions from ? And that those opinions might be lacking ?

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Originally posted by rue:
I read the report - and probably before you did.


So, you KNOW that it's true because ---- why ? It's on the internet ? Because a tabloid said so ? That's a mighty low standard of proof you've got, then.

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Originally posted by rue:
First, I'd like you to wait a little bit to see if there's any reality to what you so uncritically believe from such a questionable source. Is that too much to ask ?

And second, I'd like to you explain exactly what this has to do with the topic at hand.

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Originally posted by rue:
I guess you're just intending to troll, then. Lots of name-calling, no facts, off-topic posts with no basis except the Enquirer said so.

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Originally posted by rue:
And now you're just looking to pick a fight.

Find me the place where Edwards is the actual topic. Then find me the place where I said Edwards is a saint.

Take your time. Don't come back till you've found them.

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Originally posted by rue:
As I thought. A troll. Nice chatting. Don't expect any more.

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Originally posted by rue:
WHOZIT
Saturday, July 26, 2008 - 12:00

"Nope I'm done, I'll be be in the chatroom if you want to fight."



WHOZIT
Saturday, July 26, 2008 - 12:49

"Oh ya well................you're icky, so there."


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Originally posted by rue:
Any of you all find this as funny as I do ?


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Any of you all find this as funny as I do ?


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BATMAN has made $300 million dollars. Thats the big news, forget Gore & Edwards. Source; www.zap2it.com Edwards fucking some woman not his cancer stricken wife. I wonder who they'll get to play ROBIN?

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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Adultery is no longer a crime? And isn't Edwards from that Carolina state where they passed that specific law against "theft of companionship" or somesuch, effectively allowing both criminal and civil prosecution of the mistress as well as the adulterer?
Or are we only using selective laws as approved by Rue?

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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Adultery is no longer a crime?

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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Adultery is no longer a crime? And isn't Edwards from that Carolina state where they passed that specific law against "theft of companionship" or somesuch, effectively allowing both criminal and civil prosecution of the mistress as well as the adulterer?
Or are we only using selective laws as approved by Rue?

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
"WHOOSH"

Slam-dunkisall

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