More On John Edward's 2 Americas by Jongsstraw

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BDNothing

"What does moral strength mean to you Rue?"

It DOESN'T mean snooping into people's bedrooms to control what they're doing.

Is that what moral strength means to you ? Putting your nose under other people's bedsheets ?

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Saturday, August 9, 2008 5:42 AM

RIGHTEOUS9

What exactly was your objection to the Two Americas framing?

can't wrap my brain around why it's offensive to you to point out obvious disparity.

Clinton was rightfully dibarred for lying under oath, but why exactly was he being asked a personal question while under oath? How could that have connected to any matters of state?

fill me in there too, if you will.

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Saturday, August 9, 2008 5:44 AM

His son died at 16- his wife looks to go too, soon- no wonder he's a mess, but yeah, that denial thing didn't work with Clinton...these guys just have too much money & power, it goes to their heads & they think they're special.
The ONLY answer is to elect someone for president that has a stupid crazy beautiful spouse....

Chrisisall

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Saturday, August 9, 2008 5:46 AM

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Rap

"Newt never lied under oath." That you know of.
"Foley never sexed up any of the pages, like Gerry Studds did. " I guess age of consent means nothing to you. So Studds doing whatever he was doing with an adult was bad, while Foley doing whatever he was doing with children is better ? You are SICK. You are morally, disgustingly, creepily sick.

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Saturday, August 9, 2008 6:03 AM

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I generally don't post over the weekends - but I'll make one last exception before I get to work.

I DON'T CARE WHO SLEEPS WITH WHOM. As long as they are of age and there's no coercion, I DON'T CARE.

I supported Edwards because he had policies that I thought were good.

The REST of you need to get your noses out of other people's bedrooms and out from under their sheets.

Is that plain enough ?

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Saturday, August 9, 2008 6:14 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY

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Originally posted by rue:
BDNothing

"What does moral strength mean to you Rue?"

It DOESN'T mean snooping into people's bedrooms to control what they're doing.

No one wants to control what people do in their bedrooms, that's your strawman Rue.

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Originally posted by rue:
Is that what moral strength means to you ? Putting your nose under other people's bedsheets ?

No. To me moral strength encompasses being ethical, virtuous, even noble. Do you think adultery and then lying about it fits the criteria? And if not, what right did Edwards have to run on those ideals? Reeks of hypocrisy too me which I believe we can all agree is unacceptable.

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Saturday, August 9, 2008 6:15 AM

FIVVER

Rue, John Edwards disagrees with you. Here's what he told Katie Couric when she asked him if it's appropriate for voters to be concerned with a candidate's marital fidelity:

"Of course. I mean, for a lot of Americans -- including the family that I grew up with, I mean, it's fundamental to how you judge people and human character -- whether you keep your word, whether you keep what is your ultimate word, which is that you love your spouse, and you'll stay with them. ... I think the most important qualities in a president in today's world are trustworthiness -- sincerity, honesty, strength of leadership. And -- and certainly that goes to a part of that."

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Saturday, August 9, 2008 6:31 AM

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"ethical, virtuous, even noble"

But you can strive to have a moral GOVERNMENT while sometimes failing in your own life.

Out of curiosity, are YOU personally moral, BDN ? B/c by your behavior here on the board, you are not. You are a troll, a hyporite, a liar. Not just sometimes, but consistently. Have you looked in the mirror lately ?

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Saturday, August 9, 2008 6:32 AM

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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:

To me moral strength encompasses being ethical, virtuous, even noble. Do you think adultery and then lying about it fits the criteria?

I'm on the same page with you here BDN- I WILL not use something like this to point out a flaw in one public official, and not in another.
Run on a moral platform, you'd better be gorram moral.
Asked if you had an affair, you'd better not lie- even "none of you business" would be acceptable.

Edwards effed-up big time on both counts, as far as I'm concerned...I'm sick of this lying s**t.
Wanna have it both ways? Fine. So either be prepared to fess up, or get out of public service.

Had itisall

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Saturday, August 9, 2008 6:33 AM

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Fivver

He was describing what happens in the US. How candidates are judged. That people are so stupid they vote on what they THINK the person's PERSONALITY is, not on the issues.

Is that what you are espousing ? Forget the issues ?

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Saturday, August 9, 2008 6:35 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

JFK banged anything pretty with two legs. That didn't keep him from being a good President (Bay of Pigs notwithstanding).

There are character flaws I would worry about in a sitting President: being a closeted anything (Not that I worry about gays or lesbians, but if you can' admit the truth about yourself to yourself then you and reality are passing strangers at best); sociopaths; paranoids and other delusionals (including those who have recived special missions from GOD).

Adultery is not one of the things I worry about. People make mistakes. 25% of adults admitted having an affair and I'll bet there're are whole lot more than did but wouldn't say. I think that places Edwards pretty much in the middle of the pack.

What I find disturbing is that people would be such moral Puritans they would rather gossip endlessly about Edwards' affair (which in the scheme of things is pretty insignificant) than talk about life-and-issues. I suppose it gives some a chance to exercise their moral outrage.

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Saturday, August 9, 2008 6:38 AM

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ChrisIsAll

As I tried to point out above, it's possible to strive for moral public polices (moral NOT in the religious sense) and fail - however briefly - in your own life. And to even claim those moral policies as your own.

As to what goes on in their sex lives - I DON'T CARE.

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Saturday, August 9, 2008 6:41 AM

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Originally posted by rue:

But you can strive to have a moral GOVERNMENT while sometimes failing in your own life.

Absolutely Rue, but to act like you aren't failing, even condemning those who do while you're at it, is just too two-faced for me. Makes me wonder what he's do with those two faces government-wise. If one can't be honest with one's self, how can they be honest with anyone?

Sorry, I just have zero-tolerance for bulls**t, whether it's about WMD or NOOKIE.

Iron-fisted Chrisisall

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Saturday, August 9, 2008 6:44 AM

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So here's a question:

On the one hand, a president who claims to be faithful to his wife, who lies the country into war and kills up to a million innocent people as a result.

On the other, failed candidate who now admits to a brief affair between consenting aduts and who supports policies that make the country better for all.

Who is more moral ?

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Saturday, August 9, 2008 6:44 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY

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Originally posted by rue:
"ethical, virtuous, even noble"

But you can strive to have a moral GOVERNMENT while sometimes failing in your own life.

Out of curiosity, are YOU personally moral, BDN ? B/c by your behavior here on the board, you are not. You are a troll, a hyporite, a liar. Not just sometimes, but consistently. Have you looked in the mirror lately ?

Why are you bringing me into this discussion Rue? I thought we were all discussing Edwards. First comes the strawman followed closely by the ad hominems, textbook Rue. Just curious Rue, can only conservatives be Trolls?

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Saturday, August 9, 2008 6:47 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by rue:

But you can strive to have a moral GOVERNMENT while sometimes failing in your own life.

Absolutely Rue, but to act like you aren't failing, even condemning those who do while you're at it, is just too two-faced for me. Makes me wonder what he's do with those two faces government-wise. If one can't be honest with one's self, how can they be honest with anyone?

Sorry, I just have zero-tolerance for bulls**t, whether it's about WMD or NOOKIE.

Iron-fisted Chrisisall

I do'nt think Bush lied about WMD's he was wrong. Everyone, Kerry the U.N. and other countrys thought they had WMD's. Edwards out rite lied thinking he could find a way out, he did'nt

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Saturday, August 9, 2008 6:50 AM

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Originally posted by rue:
it's possible to strive for moral public polices (moral NOT in the religious sense) and fail - however briefly - in your own life.

I'm sorry, I have a strong Leftist streak in me as you probably are aware, but when you enter public life, you'd better be able to control yourself some. It's not a 'failing' to undress a woman & put your penis in her, it's a CHOICE.
And if you make that choice, you'd better be able to say, "Yeah, my Wife knows about it, and yeah, I did it- so what?"
If not, JUST SAY NAY!!!

It's the lying, and the energy that it takes away from other areas that I object to...

Unflinching Chrisisall

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Saturday, August 9, 2008 6:51 AM

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ChrisIsAll

I haven't seen Edwards condemn anyone for having an affair, have you ? I've seen him describe the values the US public holds (as ignorant, puerile and lewd as they are), but I've never seen him judge anyone by that standard himself.

It is possible to personally fail to meet the highest stgandards 100% of the time (do any of us ever manage to succeed ?) and STILL strive for better, even moral, government.

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Saturday, August 9, 2008 6:55 AM

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Originally posted by rue:
So here's a question:

On the one hand, a president who claims to be faithful to his wife, who lies the country into war and kills up to a million innocent people as a result.

On the other, failed candidate who now admits to a brief affair between consenting adults and who supports policies that make the country better for all.

Who is more moral ?

They're both lairs, but one did it for misguided militaristic purposes, and one did it out of pure weakness, so Judge Chrisisall rules that Bush is the less moral of the peeps in this comparison.

No appealsisall

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Saturday, August 9, 2008 6:55 AM

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"... but when you enter public life, you'd better be able to control yourself some. It's not a 'failing' to undress a woman & put you penis in her, it's a CHOICE."

So ? If the French Canadien Catholics could forgive French Canadien Catholic Pierre Trudeau his divorce because of the good he did for the country, (and at the time it was a huge scandal though now it seems so quaint, so trivial no one remembers) maybe we could be that smart. (Yeah, that'll be the day.)

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You will NEVER find a candidate who doesn't have some moral blotch somewhere in the past. Ever.

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Saturday, August 9, 2008 6:57 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

BDN- You're an extraordinary hypocrite, calling Edwards a hypocrite. Boggles the mind....

But yanno? It's actually kinda gigglesome, now that I think about it.

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Saturday, August 9, 2008 6:58 AM

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Originally posted by whozit:
I do'nt think Bush lied about WMD's he was wrong. Everyone, Kerry the U.N. and other countrys thought they had WMD's.

Shut up Whozit.

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Saturday, August 9, 2008 7:00 AM

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Originally posted by whozit:
I do'nt think Bush lied about WMD's he was wrong. Everyone, Kerry the U.N. and other countrys thought they had WMD's.
Shut up Whozit.

Nope

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Saturday, August 9, 2008 7:03 AM

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S'wenyways

I agree with Obama. The country is faced with mortal problems. We need to make history-making choices about the many issues we are facing.

And we're consumed with THIS ???? The years-ago affair of an EX-candidate ? Does it matter in any way ?

Who's fault is that ? Oh, that's right, the 'liberal' media and the right-wing echo chamber.

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Saturday, August 9, 2008 7:04 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Edwards spent a large amount of his time scolding us over his imaginary " two America's " crap, which most folks saw through as nothing bout a phony campaign theme. So many gullible Democrats fell for that tripe, it's just funny to see him now, the beneficiary of living 2 lives!

Rapo, you're really reaching beyond reasonable rhetoric for that. Two Americas? Did you know that 25% of Americans have admitted to having an affair at some time during their marriage? And I'll bet the real number is more like 50%. So AFA I'm concerned (like I said before) that puts Edwards pretty much in the middle of the pack.

Not a nice thing to do, surely, but not so unusual.

So find yourself another issue to flog, because that doesn't hack it.

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Saturday, August 9, 2008 7:10 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Who's fault is that ? Oh, that's right, the 'liberal' media and the right-wing echo chamber

BINGO! And I hope to god we never hear about "media bias" again! Altho I know just as surely as the sun will rise tomorrow that Crapo and Whozit and the other right wing-nuts will find a way to whinge about the media.

So, say... why aren't we discussing the tens of thousands of Americands who die each because they lack health insurance? Oh yeah, that's right: must be the left-wing media.

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Saturday, August 9, 2008 7:13 AM

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Originally posted by rue:

You will NEVER find a candidate who doesn't have some moral blotch somewhere in the past. Ever.

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Chrisisall, as you run for the Senate this reporter has uncovered that in your twenties, you went to NYC strip clubs more than once...

Yeah, pretty naked women look nice to me- go figure.

We also uncovered that you used pot on several occasions in 1982.

And I inhaled. Your point is...?

You also got a speeding ticket in 1995!

And I'll probably get another before I die...do you have a purpose with all this, sir?

The public has a right to know the truth!

So just ask me, I'll tell ya.

You are an atypical candidate, sir.

Thanks.

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Saturday, August 9, 2008 7:16 AM

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Originally posted by rue:
S'wenyways

I agree with Obama. The country is faced with mortal problems. We need to make history-making choices about the many issues we are facing.

And we're consumed with THIS ???? The years-ago affair of an EX-candidate ? Does it matter in any way ?

Not really- except for this forum's academic purposes.

Argumentative Chrisisall

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Saturday, August 9, 2008 7:19 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:

So, say... why aren't we discussing the tens of thousands of Americands who die each because they lack health insurance?

Let's.
You know that here in so-called Liberal Massachusetts that if you cannot afford health insurance they penalize you by keeping your tax refund?
I mean, WTF?

Actually pissed about thatisall

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Saturday, August 9, 2008 7:22 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

It pisses me off, too, and I don't even live there!

Medicare for everyone, and f*ck the insurance companies.

www.healthcare-now.org/

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Saturday, August 9, 2008 7:25 AM

KHYRON

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by rue:

You will NEVER find a candidate who doesn't have some moral blotch somewhere in the past. Ever.

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Chrisisall, as you run for the Senate this reporter has uncovered that in your twenties, you went to NYC strip clubs more than once...

Yeah, pretty naked women look nice to me- go figure.

We also uncovered that you used pot on several occasions in 1982.

And I inhaled. Your point is...?

You also got a speeding ticket in 1995!

And I'll probably get another before I die...do you have a purpose with all this, sir?

The public has a right to know the truth!

So just ask me, I'll tell ya.

You are an atypical candidate, sir.

Thanks.

Newscaster: "And this just in, Chris has been defeated in a landslide! I guess America just isn't ready for a candidate who doesn't offer the possibility of interesting scandals in the future ..."

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Saturday, August 9, 2008 7:25 AM

This thread should be titled; More On John Edward's 2 Faces, or More On John Edward's 2 lives, or A tale of two Penis's.

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Saturday, August 9, 2008 7:26 AM

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ChrisIsAll

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Chrisisall, as you run for the Senate this reporter has uncovered that in your twenties, you went to NYC strip clubs more than once...

Yeah, pretty naked women look nice to me- go figure.

We also uncovered that you used pot on several occasions in 1982.

And I inhaled. Your point is...?

You also got a speeding ticket in 1995!

And I'll probably get another before I die...do you have a purpose with all this, sir?

The public has a right to know the truth!

So just ask me, I'll tell ya.

You are an atypical candidate, sir.

Thanks.

That would have been the better approach in that circumstance.

On topic, but from a different angle ...

You will rarely find a post from me about my family. When I do mention them, no matter how indirectly, it's usually b/c I sense someone here struggling with a personal issue that I might illuminate from experience (usually painful). I respect my family's privacy as something that is theirs to share, or not, as they see fit. Not mine.

I think Edwards together with his wife could have found a better approach. Or maybe that was the approach she preferred. We will probably never know. But there was a lot that involved other people besides John Edwards, and I don't fault him for keeping their privacy private.

Aside from that, it still doesn't matter to me what anyone does in bed with any consenting adult. And crap questions about that deserve whatever crap answer they get.

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Saturday, August 9, 2008 7:27 AM

KHYRON

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Originally posted by whozit:
A tale of two Penis's.

John Edwards has two penises?

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Saturday, August 9, 2008 7:28 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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This thread should be titled; More On John Edward's 2 Faces, or More On John Edward's 2 lives, or A tale of two Penis's.

And who should know more about being a dick than you?

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Saturday, August 9, 2008 7:32 AM

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This thread should be titled; More On John Edward's 2 Faces, or More On John Edward's 2 lives, or A tale of two Penis's.
And who should know more about being a dick than you?

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If my reply is juvenile name-calling that's because it matches the post.

I expected somthing better, comming from somone as witty as you.

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Saturday, August 9, 2008 7:35 AM

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Originally posted by Khyron:
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Originally posted by whozit:
A tale of two Penis's.
John Edwards has two penises?

By all accounts that makes him a Vulcan.

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Saturday, August 9, 2008 7:36 AM

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Originally posted by whozit:
I expected somthing better, comming from somone as witty as you.

Shut up, Whozit.

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Saturday, August 9, 2008 7:36 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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I expected somthing better, comming from somone as witty as you.

Actually, I'm more interested in Edwards' two penises.

I'd like to get to know the guy!

(After I get to know someone else, who is a hard working man. You know who you are!

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Saturday, August 9, 2008 7:40 AM

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Originally posted by rue:
it still doesn't matter to me what anyone does in bed with any consenting adult.

Me either- it's just the nature of the beast that politics will draw out yer skeletons, both old & new, best be prepared to spill the beans if attention comes to it, or better yet, have no beans to spill is all.

Best come cleanisall

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Saturday, August 9, 2008 7:41 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Actually, I'm more interested in Edwards' two penises.

I'd like to get to know the guy!

(After I get to know someone else, who is a hard working man. You know who you are! )

This thread hits the gutterisall

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Saturday, August 9, 2008 7:44 AM

KWICKO

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Originally posted by Khyron:
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Originally posted by whozit:
A tale of two Penis's.
John Edwards has two penises?

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Saturday, August 9, 2008 7:46 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
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I expected somthing better, comming from somone as witty as you.
Actually, I'm more interested in Edwards' two penises.

I'd like to get to know the guy!

(After I get to know someone else, who is a hard working man. You know who you are! )

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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal

Yes I work hard for a living an I can take a punch, unlike B.O. (Barak Obama) who thin skined and ugly, and has big ears, and is dum, and hates America, and wants to cancel Christmas.

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Saturday, August 9, 2008 7:48 AM

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aw drat

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Saturday, August 9, 2008 7:52 AM

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"best be prepared to spill the beans if attention comes to it, or better yet, have no beans to spill is all."

Then you'd better the kind of person to make your family walk the plank with every twitch and poke from the 'news' media. Or have the same done to your pastor, your neighbor, your college roommate from 20 years ago, your realtor, in fact, anyone you've ever met in your life ...

And, ChrisIsAll, you will NEVER find a candidate without moral blotch. Gandhi routinely slept with young girls (in the 10 - 12 year old category) to 'test his purity'

. Mother Teresa felt she was living a lie since she hadn't felt god's presence in decades though she preached it every day

. Abe Lincoln was a gay (at best bisexual) man who married the wealthy daughter of a landholder to get ahead in political life - and he may have had gay affairs on the side during his marriage.

John Kennedy was a serial womanizer.

If you are waiting for a saint who also wants to implement good moral policies, you'll be waiting a long, long, long time.

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Saturday, August 9, 2008 7:54 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Hey Chris, I agree with Rue. You will not find ANYONE who has no beans to spill. If it's not an affair it's an undocumented nanny or an unlicensed contactor... or an abortion. Since 30% of all women have had one, that means statistically speaking that 30% of all women in Congress have had an abortion and 30% of all men in Congress are married to a woman who had one, and some percentage are fathers to daughters who've had one. (And that's not even counting Congressional mistresses). Statistically, 10% of all people on Congress are gay. There's minor tax cheating, and smoking pot, and all manner of stuff that anyone could dredge up.

You gotta be able to distinguish the important stuff from the trivial.

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Help! I drove this thread into a ditch and I can't get up!

Sorry Chris. Khyron had me laughing my *ssoffisall.

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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal

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Saturday, August 9, 2008 8:05 AM

KWICKO

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I'> do'nt think Bush lied about WMD's he was wrong. Everyone, Kerry the U.N. and other countrys thought they had WMD's.

That lie doesn't get any truer no matter how many times you repeat it. "Everyone" didn't think they had WMD's. There were questions, and there were inspections under way, and the Bush Administration didn't want to wait because - god forbid - the Iraqis might have been found NOT to have WMD, and that would screw up their whole agenda of regime change.

If "everyone" thought they had them, then why did many of the UN members vote for continuing the inspections and holding off on military intervention? And why did the Bush Administration find it necessary to forge a letter "linking" Saddam to Al Qaeda? And why was it necessary to fake the documents allegedly showing Iraq to be acquiring uranium from Niger?

Back on the topic of Edwards, it's not the affair that bugs me the most; humans have human failings, and most men have the philosophy of a dog - if I can't eat it or fuck it, then piss on it. What bugs me is that, when asked about it point-blank, he CHOSE to lie about it. He lied to reporters, he lied to friends and supporters, and he lied to his staff - and then he had them repeat those lies. He didn't merely sully himself; in persisting with the lie, he sullied the reputations of a good number of decent people who spread the lie for him. THAT is immoral, in my book.

So it's not the sex, it's not the affairs - it's the lies. THAT is what pisses me off about Edwards. And I realize that a politician lying should be news to exactly nobody... still, it isn't pretty to watch it all unravel.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

The Myrmidons were an ancient nation of very brave and skilled warriors as described in Homer's Iliad, and were commanded by Achilles. - Wikipedia

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Saturday, August 9, 2008 8:11 AM

KWICKO

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Yes I work hard for a living an I can take a punch, unlike B.O. (Barak Obama) who thin skined and ugly, and has big ears, and is dum...

All-righty, Kettle - go ahead and call him black. My guess is that he's not so "dum" that he can't actually spell the word "dumb".

So where's that leave you?

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

The Myrmidons were an ancient nation of very brave and skilled warriors as described in Homer's Iliad, and were commanded by Achilles. - Wikipedia

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Saturday, August 9, 2008 8:14 AM