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On Jan. 25, 2005, the day after Mr. Nand’s last call from Eloy, about midway between Phoenix and Tucson, he was found slumped in the lobby of the detention center’s clinic suffering cardiac arrest

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
This ain't MOVEON or any of the other places NeoFuckingCons like to dis, this is the Fucking NEW YORK FUCKING TIMES, apologist asshats.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Come on folks, the people fucked up enough to work for and operate shit like this come from somewhere don't they ?

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I thought you were serious about the issue 'til I saw this. Good one, Chris.

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I thought you were serious about the issue 'til I saw this. Good one, Chris.

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Atypically here, I am, so shut the fuck up if yer just here to be an asshole, K?

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Originally posted by Geezer:

C'mon Chris, I'm just doing what you do so well when you don't agree with the topic.

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Why was he detained?

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In this case it appears that he was taken into custody because he committed a violent crime so that deportation proceedings could be initiated.

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It was the rejection of his citizenship application, because of a 2002 misdemeanor conviction for domestic violence, that apparently prompted his arrest. The misdemeanor was the lone blot on his record, his sons said, and had been resolved to the court’s satisfaction with a year of anger management classes.

But immigration authorities considered it grounds for deportation. And instead of summoning him by letter to immigration court, where he could have fought to stay in the United States, immigration agents arrested him without warning and shipped him to detention in another state.

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Come on folks, the people fucked up enough to work for and operate shit like this come from somewhere don't they ?

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Physically and/or emotionally abused kids that survive can be cold to the fact that they're passing along a vile tradition....

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I suspect we could have Osama bin Ladden in custody for child molestation (cause we know he swings that way)...

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I'm just doing what you do so well when you don't agree with the topic.

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Originally posted by Shinygoodguy:
If it wasn't for the writer of this article describing the various detention centers he was taken to, I could have sworn that the tactics used on Mr. Ng were from another country.

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the Wyatt detention center’s director of nursing, Ben Candelaria, replied in a July 16 e-mail message that... “We treat each and every detainee in our custody with the same high level of quality, professional care possible.”

In April, Mr. Ng began complaining of excruciating back pain. By mid-July, he could no longer walk or stand.

On Aug. 1, Mr. Ng was taken to a hospital, where doctors found he had terminal cancer and a fractured spine. He died five days later.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Do as I say, not as I do...

So, you don't agree that this kind of heinous shit shouldn't be done to human beings..?

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Not sure I'm taking your full meaning here...

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Cites, please? Sorry, but I'm gonna have to see some proof here...

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Every time anything is not perfect (in Chrisisall's opinion of what's perfect) we get another "What kind of fu*king sh*t is this? Is this our America???" post suggesting that it's all gone to hell and there's no hope for our country any more.

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If it wasn't for the writer of this article describing the various detention centers he was taken to, I could have sworn that the tactics used on Mr. Ng were from another country.

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I know as an Anarchist I don't put much stock in the legal system,

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I know as an Anarchist I don't put much stock in the legal system

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these three guys, who are accused of conspiring in the jailhouse rape of an 18-year-old high school student, are former deputies in the employ of the Grant County, Kentucky Sheriff's Department.

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This comes mainly from a Nazi-like model, cold, efficient and careless of life.

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Hitler's henchmen were victims of their upbringing. They belonged to a generation of children who had been exposed to brutal physical correction and humiliation and who later vented their pent-up feelings of anger and helpless rage on innocent victims. Safe in the knowledge that they were doing so with the Führer's blessing, they were finally able to give free rein to those feelings without risk of punishment.

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The Führer once told his secretary that during one of the regular beatings given him by his father he was able to stop crying, to feel nothing, and even to count the thirty-two blows he received.

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Uh, where in the title or the content of the thread do you see any "there's no hope"?

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If I point out something absolutely horrible that seems to me something my country MUST stop or MUST fix, or if I point out the un-Constitutionality of an action, or even over-react emotionally to an issue, where does that spell TOTAL DOOM???

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
"these three guys, who are accused of conspiring in the jailhouse rape of an 18-year-old high school student, are former deputies in the employ of the Grant County, Kentucky Sheriff's Department."

Geezer is deluded when he points this shit out "There's no way to stop it, no matter how well-intentioned everyone is, or how correct they try to be." as if these are anomalies...
This comes mainly from a Nazi-like model, cold, efficient and careless of life.
I've joked about telling peeps to shut up, but in Geezer's case here on this thread, I think he should put some thought to it.

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Sounds pretty hopeless to me.

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Sorry, Chris, but you don't 'point out' things. You scream at the top of your electronic lungs

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If anyone dares question that your horror de jure is less than earthshaking you insult, belittle, and demean them.

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This ain't MOVEON or any of the other places NeoFuckingCons like to dis, this is the Fucking NEW YORK FUCKING TIMES, apologist asshats.

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
if we didn’t waste time pampering the illegal immigrants, who shouldn’t be here anyway, there would probably be the resources available to deal more correctly with the Mr. Nands.

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My take is that resources stretched thin or not, this would be an unacceptable way to treat dogs at the city pound, much less human beings. If you can't detain a non-dangerous criminal with reasonable safeguards regarding his or her life, then you just shouldn't arrest them in the first place...or maybe we could take half the stupid money we're paying BLACKWATER MERCS to beef up our need to eject non-citizens in a humane way, ya think?

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Wow....I totally scared Geezer off...

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Originally posted by SergeantX:

Listen to the language these fuckers use. "It's not a perfect world", "the suspect's suicide was a 'personal choice'", "the ends justifies the means". They want us to believe that evil is the only way to keep us safe. They want us to accept this shit as the new status quo.

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It's a casual and forthright discussion of why we have to let our authorities lie, cheat and steal (as in stealing/destroying people's lives) to keep us 'safe'. It's pretty much the same argument that the torture fans keep repeating. And it falls apart with the same conceit. We've forgotten all about innocent until proven guilty. They try to scare us into accepting their authoritarian fantasies.

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I'm watching my nation change under my feet and it's killing me. We are under a barrage of propaganda driving us into fascism. ...
We just can't seem to shake the insidious appeal of the fascist mentality. And that's what it is. It looks different than the Nazis. It'll look different than Stalin. But it's the same panic-driven acceptance of that which we know to be wrong.

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Think those kids will ever be the same ?

With me, NOBODY gets a free pass on this shit, not the Gov, not Religion, not Individuals - every messed up kid is a timebomb waiting to go off.

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We've dabbled with fascism before, usually in the guise of Progressivism. In the early 20th century quite a number of American Progressives and Liberals, including Wilson and Roosevelt, considered Mussolini's Italy a model of enlightened government.

Actually, the current Conservative leanings toward fascism are pretty weak compared to those we experienced under Wilson and Roosevelt. During WWI people who refused to sing the Star-Spangled Banner at public events were shot or beaten to death while the crowds cheered. Of course, no one was ever indicted for these crimes.

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Been reading recently about the Wilson Administration's trampling of civil liberties during WWI. Censorship of anything not rabidly pro-war. The Sedition Act, banning "uttering, printing, writing, or publishing any disloyal, profane, scurrilous, about the United States government of the military." (your statements in this post, Sarge, would have landed you in jail. Over 175,000 citizens were jailed during the war years.)

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But does that make it right? Should we NOT be horrified by sliding into fascism? And if we're NOT horrified, what stops that slide?

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