The old fart said what ! 2 The sequel! by whozit

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The old fart said what ! 2 The sequel!

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Friday, August 29, 2008 8:46 AM

James Earl Carter shoved his big fat foot in his mouth again. This time he's said McCain is milking his P.O.W. status. Politics aside, you Democrats may want to think about putting this geezer in the home. McCain spent 5 1/2 years as a P.O.W., he should be able to milk it all he wants. Carter was such a bad President, that fat drunk Teddy Kennedy ran against him in 1980. Please make the old fool go away, thanks.

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Friday, August 29, 2008 8:50 AM

STORYMARK

No, he shouldn't be able to milk it all he wants. Not when his response to any uncomfortable question is "I was a POW".

That has jack and shit to do with most issues. It's not a "Get out of tough questions" free card.

And what the hell do Carter and Kennedy have to do with McCain's favoirte dodge anyway?

You can go away, thanks.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, August 29, 2008 9:00 AM

WHOZIT

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Originally posted by Storymark:
No, he shouldn't be able to milk it all he wants. Not when his response to any uncomfortable question is "I was a POW".

That has jack and shit to do with most issues. It's not a "Get out of tough questions" free card.

And what the hell do Carter and Kennedy have to do with McCain's favoirte dodge anyway?

You can go away, thanks.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

That's not his responce to everything, B.O.'s claim to fame is that he gives a great speech, WOW! McCain is a war hero, and long time Senator. McCain's VP pick has more experiance than B.O.

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Friday, August 29, 2008 9:15 AM

STORYMARK

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Originally posted by Storymark:
No, he shouldn't be able to milk it all he wants. Not when his response to any uncomfortable question is "I was a POW".

That has jack and shit to do with most issues. It's not a "Get out of tough questions" free card.

And what the hell do Carter and Kennedy have to do with McCain's favoirte dodge anyway?

You can go away, thanks.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
That's not his responce to everything, B.O.'s claim to fame is that he gives a great speech, WOW! McCain is a war hero, and long time Senator. McCain's VP pick has more experiance than B.O.

But we weren't talking about experience. At this point, the experience argument means jack shit. Especially since it's been proven that there is no correlation between experience and sucess as President. Nor were we discussing Obama's public speaking skills.

Try to remember your own topic - makes it easier for people to understand you, ya know? You were saying he gets to ride on his POW years any time he wants, without critisism (remember, just 3 posts up??).

I disagree - strongly. It's admirable that he survived such an ordeal. But it's sad and kind-of pathetic that he, and some people, think that it automatically makes him qualified for the office. I know a former Vietnam POW. Should I be supporting him for President - or more to the point, given your take on McCain - shouldn't you? I mean, set aside the fact that he is a rageing alcoholic who beats his wife - he's a POW, does he deserve to use that as a catch-all defense? Fuck no.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, August 29, 2008 9:23 AM

WHOZIT

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Originally posted by Storymark:
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Originally posted by whozit:
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Originally posted by Storymark:
No, he shouldn't be able to milk it all he wants. Not when his response to any uncomfortable question is "I was a POW".

That has jack and shit to do with most issues. It's not a "Get out of tough questions" free card.

And what the hell do Carter and Kennedy have to do with McCain's favoirte dodge anyway?

You can go away, thanks.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
That's not his responce to everything, B.O.'s claim to fame is that he gives a great speech, WOW! McCain is a war hero, and long time Senator. McCain's VP pick has more experiance than B.O.

But we weren't talking about experience. At this point, the experience argument means jack shit. Especially since it's been proven that there is no correlation between experience and sucess as President. Nor were we discussing Obama's public speaking skills.

Try to remember your own topic - makes it easier for people to understand you, ya know? You were saying he gets to ride on his POW years any time he wants, without critisism (remember, just 3 posts up??).

I disagree - strongly. It's admirable that he survived such an ordeal. But it's sad and kind-of pathetic that he, and some people, think that it automatically makes him qualified for the office. I know a former Vietnam POW's. Should I be supporting them for President - or more to the point, given your take on McCain - shouldn't you? I mean, set aside the fact that he is a rageing alcoholic who beats his wife - he's a POW, does he deserve to use that as a catch-all defense? Fuck no.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

Rageing alcoholic who beats hs wife......What's next, he eats puppys? I'll admit I have'nt heard that he beats his wife, you better make sure that's true, or you'll end up making an ass you're of you're self. This campain will get ugly, but if you're going there, you better be able to prove it.

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Friday, August 29, 2008 9:27 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

He's also a compulsive gambler - McCain that is.

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Friday, August 29, 2008 9:30 AM

WHOZIT

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He's also a compulsive gambler.

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You libs are truly evil. You are what you battled against in the 60's. Enjoy your power.

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Friday, August 29, 2008 9:35 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY

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Originally posted by Storymark:
No, he shouldn't be able to milk it all he wants. Not when his response to any uncomfortable question is "I was a POW".

That has jack and shit to do with most issues. It's not a "Get out of tough questions" free card.

Please post cites that back up your assertion that McCain uses his ex-POW status to get out of any uncomfotable question.

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Friday, August 29, 2008 9:45 AM

STORYMARK

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Rageing alcoholic who beats hs wife......What's next, he eats puppys? I'll admit I have'nt heard that he beats his wife, you better make sure that's true, or you'll end up making an ass you're of you're self. This campain will get ugly, but if you're going there, you better be able to prove it.

Hey, skippy, try going back and reading more slowly. I didn't say McCain was a wife-beating alcoholic - I said the POW I know is - and asked if he gets a pass for being a POW.

You really are bad at this, aren't you....

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, August 29, 2008 9:46 AM

STORYMARK

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Originally posted by Storymark:
No, he shouldn't be able to milk it all he wants. Not when his response to any uncomfortable question is "I was a POW".

That has jack and shit to do with most issues. It's not a "Get out of tough questions" free card.

Please post cites that back up your assertion that McCain uses his ex-POW status to get out of any uncomfotable question.

How about the 2-or-3 times he has, on air, used it to get out of the "How many houses" question. Did it on Leno last week.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, August 29, 2008 9:47 AM

STORYMARK

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Originally posted by rue:
He's also a compulsive gambler.

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Global warming - it's not just a fact, it's a choice.
You libs are truly evil. You are what you battled against in the 60's. Enjoy your power.

Truely evil - based on what. Fucking up the country for the last 8 years? Oh, right - that was the conservatives.....

But yeah, we must be evil, because we're not rolling over for a POW......

Very well though out argument there, whoziwhatzit.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, August 29, 2008 9:55 AM

WHOZIT

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Originally posted by Storymark:
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Originally posted by whozit:
Rageing alcoholic who beats hs wife......What's next, he eats puppys? I'll admit I have'nt heard that he beats his wife, you better make sure that's true, or you'll end up making an ass you're of you're self. This campain will get ugly, but if you're going there, you better be able to prove it.

Hey, skippy, try going back and reading more slowly. I didn't say McCain was a wife-beating alcoholic - I said the POW I know is - and asked if he gets a pass for being a POW.

You really are bad at this, aren't you....

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

You said "set aside the fact"! I'm done! This is'nt fun anymore, good riddance!

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Friday, August 29, 2008 9:55 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

MCCAIN'S GAMBLING HABIT

Why Hasn't McCain Reported His Gambling Gains and Losses on His Tax Returns?
I previously blogged the release of John McCain's 2006 and 2007 tax returns. The Daily Kos asks why McCain has not reported any gambling gains on Line 21, or gambling losses on Line 28, Schedule A, of his Form 1040, given widespread press reports that he is a frequent gambler at casinos who wagers thousands of dollars per trip. If the press reports are accurate, it is hard to imagine that McCain would not have won at least $600 on some occasions and received a Form W-G:

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John McCain's Gambling Problem

Michael Scherer and Michael Weisskopf have a great piece in Time this week about what the two candidates' gambling habits say about their political (and, potentially, governing) styles. Short version: McCain is a high-stakes craps player who loves the pure, adrenalin-pumping, rush of the game. Obama is an exceedingly low-stakes poker player who sizes up his odds methodically and rarely loses money.

It's a great insight into the two personalities. And there's an even better scoop a little further down. While I knew most of the details of Obama's poker-playing, I had no idea McCain was such a hard-core gambler:

In the past decade, (McCain) has played on Mississippi riverboats, on Indian land, in Caribbean craps pits and along the length of the Las Vegas Strip. Back in 2005 he joined a group of journalists at a magazine-industry conference in Puerto Rico, offering betting strategy on request. "Enjoying craps opens up a window on a central thread constant in John's life," says John Weaver, McCain's former chief strategist, who followed him to many a casino. "Taking a chance, playing against the odds." Aides say McCain tends to play for a few thousand dollars at a time and avoids taking markers, or loans, from the casinos, which he has helped regulate in Congress. "He never, ever plays on the house," says Mark Salter, a McCain adviser. The goal, say several people familiar with his habit, is never financial. He loves the thrill of winning and the camaraderie at the table.

Only recently have McCain's aides urged him to pull back from the pastime. In the heat of the G.O.P. primary fight last spring, he announced on a visit to the Vegas Strip that he was going to the casino floor. When his aides stopped him, fearing a public relations disaster, McCain suggested that they ask the casino to take a craps table to a private room, a high-roller privilege McCain had indulged in before. His aides, with alarm bells ringing, refused again, according to two accounts of the discussion.

"He clearly knows that this is on the borderline of what is acceptable for him to be doing," says a Republican who has watched McCain play. "And he just sort of revels in it.".

A few thousand dollars at a time?* Wow. That's more than borderline unseemly, I'd say--easily several hundred thousand dollars over a period of 5-10 years if McCain plays regularly. It's certainly a far cry from the $1-ante games Obama played in Springfield.

At the end of the piece, a former Obama colleague, refering to Obama's contemplative gambling style, tells Time, "If he runs his presidency the way he plays poker, I'll sleep good at night." I think the converse is true of McCain--I'd sleep pretty poorly if he were to run his presidency the way he plays craps. (And I think the odds are high that he would. He certainly seems to run his campaign that way...)

*Of course, if by "a few thousand dollars at a time" Scherer and Weisskopf mean "a few thousand dollars a hand roll," then we're potentially talking millions of dollars over a period of several years, not hundreds of thousands. We'd be in real pathological territory--nothing particularly borderline about it.

--Noam Scheiber

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Friday, August 29, 2008 9:55 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY

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No, he shouldn't be able to milk it all he wants. Not when his response to any uncomfortable question is "I was a POW".

That has jack and shit to do with most issues. It's not a "Get out of tough questions" free card.

Please post cites that back up your assertion that McCain uses his ex-POW status to get out of any uncomfotable question.

How about the 2-or-3 times he has, on air, used it to get out of the "How many houses" question. Did it on Leno last week.

That's one uncomfortable question (on a late night talk show which was meant to elicit a laugh). Are there any more or were you hyperbolizing just a touch?

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Friday, August 29, 2008 10:02 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

BTW- Being a POW is not necessarily a good thing. I think it leaves permament marks in your personality and judgement.

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Friday, August 29, 2008 10:04 AM

STORYMARK

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You said "set aside the fact"! I'm done! This is'nt fun anymore, good riddance!

Yes, I said that - about the guy I know! And guess what - it is a FACT. The guy I know (who isn't McCain - I don't want to confuse you yet again) is a wife-beating alcoholic.

Christ, did you drop out in 5th grade or something?

Had I known I was dealing with someone with such low comprehension skills, I would have used shorter, simpler sentences. Sorry, my bad. Next time, I'll run my posts by a child, just to make sure you'll be able to follow.

But yes, you are done, since even the most basic statement, even after being explained - is still quite clearly over your head.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, August 29, 2008 10:05 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

Don't forget about PSTD. Now that's a scary thought - one forgetful dude in the WH reacting to a crisis from the perspective of PSTD.

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Friday, August 29, 2008 10:13 AM

STORYMARK

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Originally posted by Storymark:
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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
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Originally posted by Storymark:
No, he shouldn't be able to milk it all he wants. Not when his response to any uncomfortable question is "I was a POW".

That has jack and shit to do with most issues. It's not a "Get out of tough questions" free card.

Please post cites that back up your assertion that McCain uses his ex-POW status to get out of any uncomfotable question.

How about the 2-or-3 times he has, on air, used it to get out of the "How many houses" question. Did it on Leno last week.

That's one uncomfortable question (on a late night talk show which was meant to elicit a laugh). Are there any more or were you hyperbolizing just a touch?

I'll grant that I was hyperbolizing a bit - and if you can claim to be innocent of that (which you can't from just things posted today alone) - I'd appologize.

But he used it to dodge the exact same question from the Washington Post a few days before Leno - and they're not a late nite show. He also used it, especially durring the primaries, to counter any uncomfortable questions about health care - especially when Elizabeth Edwwards was in the spotlight.

And let's set aside his useing it to dodge questions - and just stick to the idea of him overusing it. Aside from above examples, there was his changing his POW story to include the football teams of cities he's visiting. Stealing the Solzenitzen story about the cross on the ground. He used it to justify his fondness for freakin' ABBA.

How is he NOT over-useing it?

He's reaching Guilianni/9-11 levels with it.

I'm sure it was a harrowing ordeal, and I respect him for surviving it. I am formerly a big McCain fan. But it's not the sole defining thing in his life - nor his ability to lead. And yeah, I think he's overplayed it.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, August 29, 2008 10:43 AM

WHOZIT

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You said "set aside the fact"! I'm done! This is'nt fun anymore, good riddance!

Yes, I said that - about the guy I know! And guess what - it is a FACT. The guy I know (who isn't McCain - I don't want to confuse you yet again) is a wife-beating alcoholic.

Christ, did you drop out in 5th grade or something?

Had I known I was dealing with someone with such low comprehension skills, I would have used shorter, simpler sentences. Sorry, my bad. Next time, I'll run my posts by a child, just to make sure you'll be able to follow.

But yes, you are done, since even the most basic statement, even after being explained - is still quite clearly over your head.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

I understand now, you may now rip me a new one. I deserve it.

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Friday, August 29, 2008 10:43 AM

WHOZIT

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Originally posted by Storymark:
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Originally posted by whozit:
You said "set aside the fact"! I'm done! This is'nt fun anymore, good riddance!

Yes, I said that - about the guy I know! And guess what - it is a FACT. The guy I know (who isn't McCain - I don't want to confuse you yet again) is a wife-beating alcoholic.

Christ, did you drop out in 5th grade or something?

Had I known I was dealing with someone with such low comprehension skills, I would have used shorter, simpler sentences. Sorry, my bad. Next time, I'll run my posts by a child, just to make sure you'll be able to follow.

But yes, you are done, since even the most basic statement, even after being explained - is still quite clearly over your head.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

I understand now, you may now rip me a new one. I deserve it.

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Friday, August 29, 2008 10:45 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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You said "set aside the fact"! I'm done! This is'nt fun anymore, good riddance!

Aw, jeez - you're leaving? This was just getting fun!

WhoseZit, you really ARE the board retard, you know that? Your reading comprehension skills sit at somewhere between a third grader's and a soap dish's - but at least the soap dish is TRYING...

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Friday, August 29, 2008 10:50 AM

WHOZIT

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You said "set aside the fact"! I'm done! This is'nt fun anymore, good riddance!

Aw, jeez - you're leaving? This was just getting fun!

WhoseZit, you really ARE the board retard, you know that? Your reading comprehension skills sit at somewhere between a third grader's and a soap dish's - but at least the soap dish is TRYING...

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

Read up's above dickhead, atleast I'll eat shit, you?

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Friday, August 29, 2008 11:19 AM

STORYMARK

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I understand now, you may now rip me a new one. I deserve it.

Nah, I delt enough already.

Props for admitting your mistake. And for that, I'll appologize for going a bit over the top with my retort.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, August 29, 2008 11:19 AM

STORYMARK

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Originally posted by whozit:
I understand now, you may now rip me a new one. I deserve it.

Nah, I delt enough already.

Props for admitting your mistake. And for that, I'll appologize for going a bit over the top with my retort.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, August 29, 2008 11:28 AM

WHOZIT

I'm sorry, I will now eat shit. Yum?

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Friday, August 29, 2008 11:34 AM

STORYMARK

I was trying to make peace, not rub it in. But if you wanna eat it, you go right ahead. Just stock up on the breath mints.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, August 29, 2008 11:44 AM

WHOZIT

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I was trying to make peace, not rub it in. But if you wanna eat it, you go right ahead. Just stock up on the breath mints.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

This was my way of making peace, burp! Are we good now?

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Friday, August 29, 2008 11:46 AM

STORYMARK

Works for me.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, August 29, 2008 11:50 AM

WHOZIT

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Works for me.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

I'm dead, unless like in Shindig, you want poke me for awhile?

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Friday, August 29, 2008 11:55 AM

STORYMARK

That's been my sig for ages, not directed at you.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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