Profile of Sarah Palin! by CrevanReaver

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But instead we get some weird beauty queen from some little village in the middle of nowhere.

You may want to get a little more detailed reading on Gov. Palin's background before you go posting pictures of her igloo.

H

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Tuesday, September 2, 2008 8:16 AM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Originally posted by Hero:
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Originally posted by participant:
But instead we get some weird beauty queen from some little village in the middle of nowhere.

You may want to get a little more detailed reading on Gov. Palin's background before you go posting pictures of her igloo.

H

You mean Wasilla, population 5469? Have we missed something? Is it really a thriving metropolis? A cultural hub? Do they have a fantastic convention center?

It IS a little village in the middle of nowhere!

You might want to get a little more detailed reading on her before you go posting your usual right-wing-water-carrier drivel.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Tuesday, September 2, 2008 9:14 AM

Looking at her, I see lots of reasons not to support her. None of them have anything to do with her children (though the waiting to fly to Alaska, then drive 40 miles, while in labor with a already dangerous pregnancy is about as despicably reckless a thing as I have heard).

She pulled millions in earmarks for that tiny little community she ran. Far out of proportion to the population - and now she's the running mate of a man who claims to be against earmarks.

She thinks the Iraq war was demanded by God.

She thinks God wanted a oil pipeline run through Alaska.

She supported the "bridge to nowhere", and then lied about doing so in her acceptance speech.

And, my favorite, she was a member of the Alaskan Secession party. She didn't even want to be a US Citizen - how can she be a good pick for Vice, and potentially, President?

I can't wait to see the rightie wingnuts who went after Michelle Obama with such gusto for saying she was proud of America for the first time, fall all over themselves trying to excuse Palin for wanting to seceed from the friggin union.

And they will try to excuse it, no doubt.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, September 2, 2008 9:45 AM

JAYNEZTOWN

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Originally posted by participant:

But instead we get some weird beauty queen from some little village in the middle of nowhere. With some NeoCon agenda hijacking the Whitehouse this is an embarrassing time for conservatives.
Palin was member of those weird Secessionist type movement, you know those wacko groups who want puerto rico to break away from the USA and join Mexico/Cuba and those people who want Alaska to secede or join up with Canada or Russia

how does that fit into your NAFTA Amero conspiracy?

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Originally posted by Shinygoodguy:

He could have chosen a half dozen other candidates that had more experience and political savvy but, he's desperate to beat Obama and quite naturally wanted to appeal to the unjustifiably disgruntled Hillary voters. So pick a young hip, attractive, woman (remember the knock on McCain is he's too old for the job) that would make it seem that he's pro-women and quiet his critics.

Great choice, strictly a manipulative political manuver. Looks good for the photo ops and seemingly trumps Obama's pick of Biden. A bold move indeed that will probably backfire and explode in his face. What a country!

Shiny! Let's be bad guys!

Well check this
What happens if say God-forbid the next US President dies in office, Obama or McCain dies
maybe he has heart failure, has a stroke, his plane crashes or he gets assassinated (people shot Kennedy and almost killed Reagan)
I can see Biden stepping up to the mark, stepping into the office but what about this McCain girl who pulls in the Alaskan/anti-abortion/ polarbear-hunting/Woman votes and rules a little village population 5469.

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Tuesday, September 2, 2008 10:44 AM

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She supported the "bridge to nowhere", and then lied about doing so in her acceptance speech.

Well, it's worse than that - she supported it, campaigned on it, and then when she won her race and Alaska got the money, she detoured the money to other projects!

So she was before it, before she was against it.

And she doesn't like earmarks, but will take the money and run.

And she doesn't like government waste, but will certainly spend any money that comes her way.

She also raised taxes on her constituents.

Another Tax & Spend Conservative!

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Wednesday, September 3, 2008 5:44 AM

SHINYGOODGUY

You may have a point there, I completely forgot about Karl "Ninja" Rove. McCain might just maverick his way out of the White House.

"I'm the Decider!" George W. Bush

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Wednesday, September 3, 2008 6:04 AM

SHINYGOODGUY

We may very well get our first woman president. Those Neo-cons sure do think of everything, don't they? McCain has a sudden heart-attack (god forbid) and Palin steps in, of course with "Puppetmaster" Rove pulling the strings. Clever chaps those Bushies.

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Well check this
What happens if say God-forbid the next US President dies in office, Obama or McCain dies
maybe he has heart failure, has a stroke, his plane crashes or he gets assassinated (people shot Kennedy and almost killed Reagan)
I can see Biden stepping up to the mark, stepping into the office but what about this McCain girl who pulls in the Alaskan/anti-abortion/ polarbear-hunting/Woman votes and rules a little village population 5469.

"The thief's purpose is to steal, kill and destroy..." John 10:10

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Wednesday, September 3, 2008 6:31 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Yanno - far from it being a strike against her, any affilation with secessionist movements is actually a plus in my book.

I had been reserving judgement till I had more info...

But today she sank any hope of me considering her when she cancels all other meetings for a closed-door all-nighter with AIPAC.

That's the END of her chances to earn my good opinion of her, period.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Wednesday, September 3, 2008 6:57 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

I imagine you meet with all sorts of people when you're running for public office. I don't condemn people for having meetings. They get condemned for what decisions they make.

And yeah, I was thinking that her membership in a seccessionist movement sounded promising.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Wednesday, September 3, 2008 7:12 AM

CITIZEN

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Well, it's worse than that - she supported it, campaigned on it, and then when she won her race and Alaska got the money, she detoured the money to other projects!

So she was before it, before she was against it.

And she doesn't like earmarks, but will take the money and run.

And she doesn't like government waste, but will certainly spend any money that comes her way.

She also raised taxes on her constituents.

Another Tax & Spend Conservative!

She didn't give it up until congress decided more money should come from Alaska, so ear marks don't seem to be her problem, more putting up the money herself.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

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Wednesday, September 3, 2008 7:38 AM

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Originally posted by Shinygoodguy:
I can see Biden stepping up to the mark, stepping into the office

Have you seen what Joe Bidden's all about. There's a reason he was an also-ran in 1988 and 2008.

I suppose he could plagerize some of Reagan's speeches and get by...assuming he managed to avoid making fun of Indian-Americans...

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...but what about this McCain girl who pulls in the Alaskan/anti-abortion/ polarbear-hunting/Woman votes and rules a little village population 5469.

Here's a typical American story...almost a classic. Lady does not like the way her City is run...she runs for office, wins, does a hell of a job. Then she does not like the way the state is run...runs for office, wins, then does a hell of a job. Now she's running for Vice-President. I suspect that if she wins she'll do a hell of a job. When you think about it...without regard to her particular politics...this is the way the system is SUPPOSED to work.

As for experiance. Given the fact that she has more experiance then the Democrat's top candidate, I think that issue just does not fly. On her first day she had more experiance as an elected executive then McCain, Bidden, and Obama combined and on her second day she had twice as much.

I always thought Obama made a mistake not choosing a Governor to run with (or Hillary). Senators traditionally do not make good Presidential Candidates.

So who among our current crop can stand up to the gun-toting tiger-hunting Vladamir Putin, for example...Obama would make a fine speech before changing his mind and then checking polls and making clarifications while undermining himself and everyone around him. Bidden would get into a name-calling shouting match before remembering that he got rid of all of our advanced military equipment that he's opposed for decades leaving us at a technological parity against a numerically superior and potentially hostile Russian State. McCain would tell Putin what he thought of him and what he was gonna do to him if he failed to give in (straight talk diplomacy). Palin would smile, take her gun off the wall and face Putin down and know, without looking around for confirmation, that the US military and our allies were standing behind her.

I think thats what's most impressive about Palin. Its never even occurred to her she can't do what she's done. She's just doing it, not asking approval, seeking permission, considering her age or her gender, just going foreward...and thats so very...American.

H

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Wednesday, September 3, 2008 7:45 AM

Who the hell is Bidden?

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Wednesday, September 3, 2008 7:52 AM

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Yanno - far from it being a strike against her, any affilation with secessionist movements is actually a plus in my book.

Don't get me wrong - I just want to know why Obama's "patriotism" is questioned, and NOT the patriotism of someone who doesn't even want to be a citizen of this country? People keep questioning whether he's a citizen, but here's Palin wanting to throw her American citizenship in the garbage.

How's it work that the one's an issue, and not the other?

For that matter, why was his pastor an issue in the campaign, but hers isn't? She's got a bat-shit crazy preacher of her own, ya know. Guy says anyone who criticizes Bush goes straight to hell, and that God wants us in Iraq. 'Course, he also says God wants $30 billion to build an oil pipeline, too, so maybe he should be dismissed as just another whacked-out god-talker. But she apparently pays close attention to this fucking wacko, so that's not a big vote of confidence in her NOT being a loony...

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Wednesday, September 3, 2008 7:54 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Who the hell is Bidden?

Thats a good question. I always thought it was Bidden not Biden. So I looked it up just now. It seems to be Biden but I also found it spelled (including in the media) as Bidden.

Odd. So...for the record it must be Joe "Biden".

biden.senate.gov

H

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Wednesday, September 3, 2008 7:57 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Don't get me wrong - I just want to know why Obama's "patriotism" is questioned, and NOT the patriotism of someone who doesn't even want to be a citizen of this country? People keep questioning whether he's a citizen, but here's Palin wanting to throw her American citizenship in the garbage.

I missed the part where Palin wanted to dump her citizenship.

Must have been after she personally aborted her daughter's last baby and fed the fetus to a moose while demolishing the Alaska Pipeline and leading an invasion of Canada.

And Obama's patriotism is not in question. His judgement is.

H

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Wednesday, September 3, 2008 7:59 AM

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I suppose he could plagerize some of Reagan's speeches and get by...

Nah... Reagan's out. All the cool candidates this year are plagiarizing Solzhenitsyn. Haven't you heard?

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As for experiance. Given the fact that she has more experiance then the Democrat's top candidate, I think that issue just does not fly. On her first day she had more experiance as an elected executive then McCain, Bidden, and Obama combined and on her second day she had twice as much.

Is that the new metric for "experience" now? So if the Democrats nominate a governor - ANY governor - you'll automatically give them your support as being the most experienced? Bullshit.

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Obama would make a fine speech before changing his mind and then checking polls and making clarifications while undermining himself and everyone around him. Bidden would get into a name-calling shouting match before remembering that he got rid of all of our advanced military equipment that he's opposed for decades leaving us at a technological parity against a numerically superior and potentially hostile Russian State. McCain would tell Putin what he thought of him and what he was gonna do to him if he failed to give in (straight talk diplomacy). Palin would smile, take her gun off the wall and face Putin down and know, without looking around for confirmation, that the US military and our allies were standing behind her.

That's the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard. Yeah, Palin's the badass who's gonna draw down on someone. Right. And McCain would say whatever Putin paid him to say - it's how he's worked for the last 25 years. He'd be against Putin, of course, until he was for him. And Palin would be shitting her pants because she has no clue how life outside the Great White North really works.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Wednesday, September 3, 2008 8:03 AM

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Originally posted by Hero:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Don't get me wrong - I just want to know why Obama's "patriotism" is questioned, and NOT the patriotism of someone who doesn't even want to be a citizen of this country? People keep questioning whether he's a citizen, but here's Palin wanting to throw her American citizenship in the garbage.

I missed the part where Palin wanted to dump her citizenship.

Must have been after she personally aborted her daughter's last baby and fed the fetus to a moose while demolishing the Alaska Pipeline and leading an invasion of Canada.

And Obama's patriotism is not in question. His judgement is.

H

Ummm... You ARE aware of what "secession" means, right? If your state leaves the nation, then by definition, you're not a citizen of that nation any more. Man, you ARE thick.

You say Obama's patriotism isn't in question. After you've spent the last two years calling it into question. As for his judgment, if it's so bad, why are Bush and McCain constantly following Obama's lead on foreign policy issues?

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Wednesday, September 3, 2008 8:52 AM

ERIC

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Ummm... You ARE aware of what "secession" means, right? If your state leaves the nation, then by definition, you're not a citizen of that nation any more. Man, you ARE thick.

Secession is one thing, batshit crazy is another:

"The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government...and I won't be buried under their damn flag." - Joe Vogler, Founder of the Alaskan Independence Party (AIP)

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/aip_founder_pr
ofessed_hatred_f.php

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To hopefully be asked by George Stepontopofus:
Governor, does Joe Vogler love America? And wear a flag pin?

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Wednesday, September 3, 2008 9:04 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
So if the Democrats nominate a governor - ANY governor - you'll automatically give them your support as being the most experienced? Bullshit.

No. But ANY governor has more executive experiance the Obama.

Besides, experiance is merely one factor. Others include (but are not limited to) values, judgement, vision, penis, knowledge of important issues, supporting cast, and character.

What Palin lacks in some areas is made up for in others. The same is true of Obama, McCain, and Bid(d)en. In that sense she has as much right to her position on the stage as anyone else up there. Let her make her case. If she does and McCain does, then they win. If Obama and Joe make theirs they can win. Our only real dilema comes if both sides make their cases or if both sides fail. If that happens then its a crapshoot (literally crap flying everywhere and there's probably a fan out there somewhere).

H

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Wednesday, September 3, 2008 9:10 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Hmm, Vogler sounds like a guy I wouldn't mind tossing back a couple with.

There's a very LARGE difference between loving america, the idea of america, and it's (theoretically) Constitutionally Limited ideal...

And despising the Feudal-Fascist-Federalist monster that's chewing on it in the name of "Government".

Patriotism is wanting your country to be a better place, and trying to hold it to the ideals it was founded upon, that whole my country right or wrong shit, that is fanatic nationalism, and historically who were those people ?

The Bad Guys.

And I don't give a fuck if someone is "technically" an American Citizen or not - see, there's this thing called the Oath of office, where the potential is "sworn in", yes ?

That is an OATH people, something I take seriously, though it seems in this day and age no one bloody else does...

And historically, multi generational citizens have shown utterly no qualms about violating it because they take for granted, or want to destroy/manipulate those ideals...

On the other hand, someone who CAME HERE because of that dream, those ideals, I would say in general might be more likely to uphold them, wouldn't you ?

-Frem

"Call ME a citizen Manfred, an' I'll shove a dakota pinecone right up your !"
-Lucy
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Wednesday, September 3, 2008 9:11 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Ummm... You ARE aware of what "secession" means, right? If your state leaves the nation, then by definition, you're not a citizen of that nation any more. Man, you ARE thick.

Secession? Last time I checked Alaska is still in the Union.

You must be thinking of Vermont or Southern California. Palin is from Alaska and is neither a hispanic nationalist or syrup-sucking liberal. Alaska...oil, fish, trees, snow, tasty moose flesh...but not an independent country.

Palin is a "success"...and she wants others to be successful and is trying to help others be successful...that would make her a successfulnist...is that what you are saying?

H

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Wednesday, September 3, 2008 9:22 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Oh, and even meeting with AIPAC, mind you - as opposed to throwing them out of your office...
(Hail to the courage of Congresswoman McCollum)

That's a big red flag for me, bad enough we have foreign intelligence agents suborning our politicians right out in public, a known fact given the criminal history and court proceedings against them - but to have a closed door meeting with that scum, that don't fly.

I am sick of being fucked over by a country that is a worse enemy of ours than any pack of islamic radicals, and I am DAMN sick and tired of them more or less setting our foreign policy to their advantage and our detriment.

In addition, ANY politician who votes a single penny of our tax dollar to em, which'd be every single one but Ron Paul, goes on my shitlist and stays there.

I may not be PN, but their history and actions have defined THAT country as probably the worst enemy and gravest threat our nation has ever faced... and unlike PN, I am damn well willing to prove it.

How much evidence would you like ?

The "Art Students" ?

How bout them "Moving companies", eh ?

COMVERSE infosystems, perhaps ?

Or how bout AMDOCS, maybe ?

Suborning a US firewall company to snoop on customers using that very firewall to keep people out ?
(ZoneAlarm, mind you)

Shooting up one of our boats while jamming AMERICAN distress frequencies ?
(USS Liberty)

Blowing up OUR embassies and trying to blame Arabs for it ?
(Lavon Affair)

I could go on you know... all proven, documented FACTS - any other country pulled this shit, we'd be at war, so why are they so fucking special ?

What do they do for us, but fuck us over EVERY CHANCE THEY GET ?

So no, a closed door meeting with AIPAC is no more acceptable to me, from a politician running for office, than a closed door meeting with the Mafia.

It says nothing good nor trustworthy about them.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Wednesday, September 3, 2008 9:27 AM

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Secession? Last time I checked Alaska is still in the Union.

You must be thinking of Vermont or Southern California. Palin is from Alaska and is neither a hispanic nationalist or syrup-sucking liberal. Alaska...oil, fish, trees, snow, tasty moose flesh...but not an independent country.

Yes, dipshit, Alaska IS still in the Union - but that's no thanks to Palin and her secessionist party, who hate America so much they don't want to be any part of it.

Oh, and by the way, Vermont and Southern California are still part of the Union, too. What I said about you not being very bright? You're really showing that off at this point.

Fact: She was a member of an Alaska-secessionist party, whose stated aim was removing Alaska from the United States. You say you're okay with that, fine. I have to ask you, though - In all honesty, if Barack Obama came out saying that he wanted Illinois to secede from the United States, would you think him qualified to lead? Would he be a "patriot" in your eyes?

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Wednesday, September 3, 2008 9:38 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

HERO, you might have missed this:

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Yesterday night, it was is confirmed that Sarah Palin and her husband were members of the AIP at least in 1994. Indeed, Palin reportedly attended the AIP convention. In 2007, the Vice Chairman of the AIP, Dexter Clark, not only referenced Palin's membership, but also said that since she joined the GOP, "she is pretty well sympathetic to her former membership." Clark also goes on to discuss the need to "infiltrate" the major parties.

The AIP is an Alaskan secessionist movement.

AFA Palin "making her case": She doesn't have to make any case at all. You and all the other dittoheads will comfortably ignore issues that would make you spit nails were she a Democrat. Reason and objectivity aren't in your mental toolkit. Fortunately, the people most likely to sympathize generally don't vote.

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Wednesday, September 3, 2008 9:50 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Fact: She was a member of an Alaska-secessionist party, whose stated aim was removing Alaska from the United States.

It turns out that she's been a registered Republican all along. So unless you can trump voter registration records...your just repeating the lies circulating the liberal leftist websites.

Why, I'd think that if a successionist was elected governor she'd do successionist type stuff...like trying to leave the union or inviting Russian 'peacekeepers'.

Now she has been successful. I think its just an honost mistake in terms. Don't feel bad, the liberals make this mistake all the time.

H

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Wednesday, September 3, 2008 9:55 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
HERO, you might have missed this:

Missed what, something lifted off the DailyKos. Thats like missing something posted by PirateNews.

Confirmed by who? What's your source and what's their source?

Palin says no and has the record to back it up. Seems to me this is both an attempt by a 1%'er third party to get attention and the liberal bloggers to lie. Next you'll be linking her romantically to Ron Paul.

H

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Wednesday, September 3, 2008 10:07 AM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

You can be a registered repubican and still be a member of a different party. It's like when the repubicans registered democratic to vote in the democratic primaries. It didn't stop them from being repubicans. Remember ?

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Wednesday, September 3, 2008 10:07 AM

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:

And yeah, I was thinking that her membership in a seccessionist movement sounded promising.

The party of Lincoln, nominating a secessionist.....

Rich.

Righties slam the Obama's for not wearing flag pins, or not being proud enough of America, but someone who wants to actually revoke their own citizenship is a good candidate?

Baffling.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, September 3, 2008 10:09 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

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Originally posted by CrevanReaver:
I'm planning on either voting for the Libertarian Party ticket or writing in Ron Paul as a write-in, but I have to tip my hat to Senator McCain's pick of Governor Palin as his running mate.

Palin was mainly chosen to steal Billary voters, but I doubt Ron Paul voters will trust her. So if that was Turdblossum's intent, it will backfire.

I'll write-in Dr Paul, or maybe Congresswoman McKinney and her female VP, since she adopted Paul's plan to de-privatize the Fed Bank. Doubt she wants to kill the IRS and income tax, tho. She's 9/11 Truth, more public about it than Paul.

Bob Barr is more GOP than Libertarian. His job was to keep Paul out of that slot.

Constitution Party platform is good for USA. Chuck Baldwin is hesitant on 9/11 Truth.

Arab homo Nader is quietly 9/11 Truth, but has no plan to kill the Fed Bank and IRS, that I'm aware of. I was one of Nader's many chauffeurs in 2000, and handed him VHS tapes of 9/11 Road to Tyranny and Dark Secrets Inside Bohemian Grove.

Since none of the 3rd party candidates will win in 08, voting for them "only" sends a message of disatisfaction with evil Demorat & Republicon Parties. Voting for the lesser evil only sends the message you are satisfied with evil.

WHEN enough citizens stop voting for the "lesser" evil, and start voting 3rd party, ALL the 3rd parties can form a coalition govt and WIN the White House and Congress, as done in other nations.

Election day votes are mainly for slaves anyway. Real citizens know they can vote every day. A single letter to a Congressman is worth 12,000 votes. A phone call or personal meeting is even more powerful for lobbying.

While in US Air Force, I've personally mailed 100s of pages to Congress, including entire committees, which was powerful enough to get a 4-star general USAF chief of staff fired while leading Gulf War #1, and a job offer from Dick Cheney:
http://piratenews.org/pentagonwhistleblower.html

Never underestimate the power of the written word and a postage stamp.

Ron Paul's speech at rival GOP Libertarian Convention in St Paul

Jesse Ventura's 9/11 Truth speech at rival GOP Con

www.ronpaulforpresident2008.com
www.campaignforliberty.com
www.c-span.org

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Wednesday, September 3, 2008 10:11 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Ummm... You ARE aware of what "secession" means, right? If your state leaves the nation, then by definition, you're not a citizen of that nation any more. Man, you ARE thick.

Secession? Last time I checked Alaska is still in the Union.

H

Not for lack of trying (with Palin's help), you fuckin' moron.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, September 3, 2008 10:15 AM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

PN

While I disagree, I have to say that was a good post.

The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. A vote for Obama is that single step. The important part is to not stop there.

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Wednesday, September 3, 2008 10:26 AM

KIRKULES

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Originally posted by rue:
PN

While I disagree, I have to say that was a good post.

Yeah, I especially liked the "Arab homo Nader" part. PN can almost put together a coherent thought if he takes his meds.

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Wednesday, September 3, 2008 10:28 AM

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/posted/archive/2008/09/02/sar
ah-palin-s-alaskan-independence-party-raises-questions-about-vetting-process.aspx

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Originally posted by rue:
You can be a registered repubican and still be a member of a different party. It's like when the repubicans registered democratic to vote in the democratic primaries. It didn't stop them from being repubicans. Remember ?

Wow. So she is a Republican and has done nothing to support or advance the agenda of her "real" party so your conclusion is that despite the complete lack of evidence she must be a member of another party.

She says no, the records support what she says. There is no evidence to the contrary except hearsay and undocumented sources from liberal blogs.

You can't say your being fair and reasonable when your standard of proof is no proof. I'd expect this stuff from PN...

H

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Wednesday, September 3, 2008 10:29 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Missed what, something lifted off the DailyKos. ...Confirmed by who? What's your source and what's their source?

If you had read the post (You can read, right?} you'd have seen it was confirmed by the Alaska Independence Party itslef

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Lynette Clark, the chairman of the AIP, tells ABC News that Palin and her husband Todd were members in 1994, even attending the 1994 statewide convention in Wasilla. Clark was AIP secretary at the time.

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There is no evidence to the contrary except hearsay and undocumented sources from liberal blogs.

Dickwhack. Go bury your head up your *ss some more. It's dark, warm, and comfortable in there, if you don't mind the smell.

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Wednesday, September 3, 2008 10:33 AM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Not for lack of trying (with Palin's help), you fuckin' moron.

Really, with Palin's help? Gosh...what did she do? What did anyone do? Fishing maybe...was she fishing her way to Alaskan independence?

Its true...she likes to fish. But that's hardly the best way to run a secessionist movement.

She is a success...I suspect that were she what you claim Alaska would be an independent state right now.

Lot of independent people in Alaska. And most of those independent types are successful. Independent...independence? Successful...secession?

I think I see where you went wrong.

H

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Wednesday, September 3, 2008 10:37 AM

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rue:
While I disagree, I have to say that was a good post.
kirkules:
Yeah, I especially liked the "Arab homo Nader" part. PN can almost put together a coherent thought if he takes his meds.

"Nader was born in Winsted, Connecticut. His parents, Nathra and Rose Nader, were Maronite Catholic immigrants from Lebanon. His family's native language is Arabic and he has spoken it along with English since childhood." As for the homo part, one can only conjecture, and many have. "Arab homo Nader" is not too far off the mark.

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Wednesday, September 3, 2008 10:41 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
(You can read, right?} you'd have seen it was confirmed by the Alaska Independence Party itslef

And he has no proof of this. Gosh...I wonder why he'd lie?

Seems I NEVER heard of the Alaska Independence Party...till now. No, he would not take advantage of this for political reasons. That's not the way they work. Who work? Why the AIP. Who?

H

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Wednesday, September 3, 2008 10:43 AM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

"Really, with Palin's help? Gosh...what did she do?"

Secretary of the Party. It was up there in the post. In english even.

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Wednesday, September 3, 2008 10:43 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
The AIP is an Alaskan secessionist movement.

Oh...your talking secessionists.

Thats not Palin. She's a successionist

A person who insists on the importance of a regular succession of events, offices, etc.;

She's a working Mom...she has to be very orderly.

H

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Wednesday, September 3, 2008 10:44 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Really, with Palin's help? Gosh...mmmm ... fishing mumble .... mmumm mumm... It tr...sh ... kes to fi.... But mmummm ... Shssccss...ssct... that mumble... clmmmm ...

What's that you say Hero? I can't hear you. You must be mumbling outta your ass again.

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Wednesday, September 3, 2008 10:46 AM

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'Hero'

Next you'll be telling us there really were WMDs and the economy is roaring. Anything but the facts, ma'am. Are you ghosting for Rap ?

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Wednesday, September 3, 2008 10:52 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
What's that you say Hero? I can't hear you. You must be mumbling outta your ass again.

Sorry, I missed your point. Unless your point was your complete inability to make a reasonable argument. I got that much.

H

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Wednesday, September 3, 2008 10:54 AM

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Originally posted by rue:
Next you'll be telling us there really were WMDs and the economy is roaring. Anything but the facts, ma'am. Are you ghosting for Rap ?

Seems to me the economy was up big last quarter, the dollar is coming on strong, and the price of oil is dropping. Who knows...at this rate we may find those weapons yet.

Edited to add: Its been fun, going home for the night. My Girl's on tonight. Country First everybody...well, Dinner First, then Country.

H

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Wednesday, September 3, 2008 11:02 AM

CITIZEN

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Originally posted by Hero:
Sorry, I missed your point. Unless your point was your complete inability to make a reasonable argument. I got that much.

Do you not like competition in that regard?

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

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Wednesday, September 3, 2008 11:26 AM