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Once the decline gets under way, production will drop (conservatively) by 3% per year, every year. War, terrorism, extreme weather and other "above ground" geopolitical factors will likely push the effective decline rate past 10% per year, thus cutting the total supply by 50% in 7 years.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Our future epitaph, courtesy Arthur P. Jacobs:

"In one of the countless billions of galaxies in the universe lies a medium-sized star, and one of its satellites, a green and insignificant planet, is now dead."

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Ever wonder why it is, w/ the really BIG global catastophies, they're ALWAYS 10-15 yrs down the road from present day?

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Shut up, AU!

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Ever wonder why it is, w/ the really BIG global catastophies, they're ALWAYS 10-15 yrs down the road from present day?

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Dolt! The Oil Wars have begun- hello, Iraq....

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Y2K's younger, sexier brother, 'Oil Wars', begins his seduction to the most gullible of the world's sheeple.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Y2K's younger, sexier brother, 'Oil Wars', begins his seduction to the most gullible of the world's sheeple.

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And yet again you imply that there was no problem with the year 2000 bug.

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I used to wonder... what did that man think when he chopped down the last tree?
Reading Rapo's posts, now I know.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Ever hear of Easter Island? It was a great place to live, until the idiots who lived there cut down the last tree so they could log-roll those big stone faces into place. With no more trees, there was no more ocean fishing. The winds stripped away the topsoil. Stories tell of a time of cannibalism and relentless warfare. I used to wonder... what did that man think when he chopped down the last tree?
Reading Rapo's posts, now I know.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Correct. No problem which couldn't be, and eventually wasn't, solved. Same w/ the oil crisis. Changes will be made, adjustments and the like, but those who stand to make the most $$ in giving the customers what they want, will move Heaven and Earth to see that those needs are met. Like it was said in Jurassic Park....

"Life finds a way. "


And there you have it.

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What's the point of being intelligent if you can't prevent a catastrophe that you yourself created?

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Correct. No problem which couldn't be, and eventually wasn't, solved. Same w/ the oil crisis. Changes will be made, adjustments and the like, but those who stand to make the most $$ in giving the customers what they want, will move Heaven and Earth to see that those needs are met. Like it was said in Jurassic Park....

"Life finds a way. "


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And your characterisation is bullshit. Your original statement clearly indicates you believe that people who were worried about the millennium bug were 'sheeple'. Stupid unthinking people worried about nothing. But the millennium bug wasn't nothing, and the people worrying had something to be worried about. They were the ones that fixed the problem, not people who said "there is no problem lalala", and not "life finding a way". It was a lot of hard work that ensured there was no problem, not sitting back and letting the problem fix itself.

It was the people who worried about it that got it fixed, not those that denied anything was wrong and sat back expecting the problems to go away by magic. It's the stupid sheeple that believed there was no problem, not the other way around.

You characterisation is simply assine and ignorant of what really happened.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Rapo, I didn't skip over your remarks, but they were so un-noteworthy as to be... un-noteworthy.

Yeah, "life finds a way". Some of the natives on Easter Island DID survive the crash. They learned to mulch with rocks. They fervently fostered anything that dared to grow above ground level, altho the tallest plant extant was about three feet tall.

The point is... we're supposed to be an intelligent species. What's the point of being intelligent if you can't prevent a catastrophe that you yourself created? That doesn't sound smart to me, that sounds pretty stupid.

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NOW you're being a prick for the mere sake of being a prick.

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You're seeing things which aren't there, and falsly assigning meaning to what I'm NOT saying.

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We've had this discussion before, and I've explained it before, and yet, here we go again.

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You're consciously misrepresenting my remarks as to meaning that which they clearly were never meant.

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Why ? Simple. You've formed an opinion of me which is grossly misguided, distorted and otherwise flat out WRONG. And it is from this false image that you've formulated a ready made response to pretty much anything I post. Which brings us back to this topic.

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YOUR characterization is asinine, bullshit and naive.

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I've always made it clear that a HUGE amount of work was needed to avoid Y2K mishaps in banking, transportation, records keeping.... a very long list of items. This endeavor took YEARS to accomplish, and I've never once hinted, suggested or stated in any way what so ever this was NOT the case.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

I'd like to point out something that may be misunderstood.

If I say that your position is ignorant and stupid, it's pretty much the same as calling you ignorant and stupid. That is, unless I believe that brilliant and informed minds produce stupid ignorant opinions. In which case, you might want to say so, because that's not how it feels.

No, if I tell you that your opinion or argument is ignorant, I clearly believe that you are also ignorant. I probably don't believe that a well informed intellectual purposefully generated ignorant arguments.

So, if you really want to have a proverbial 'cease fire' you might counter arguments without using disparaging terms that stick to the author. You might as well tell an oriental person "that argument uses slanted chink logic" and expect that he doesn't think you're calling him a slanted eyed chink.

Less emotional angles like, "I have some data to refute that argument" and "I believe I see a flaw in that logic" manage to better assail an argument and not its spokesperson.

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You characterisation is simply assine and ignorant of what really happened.

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Shut up, AU!

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Shut up, AU!

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Gettin' kinda old, Chris.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Gettin' kinda old, Chris.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Correct. No problem which couldn't be, and eventually wasn't, solved. Same w/ the oil crisis. Changes will be made, adjustments and the like, but those who stand to make the most $$ in giving the customers what they want, will move Heaven and Earth to see that those needs are met. Like it was said in Jurassic Park....

"Life finds a way. "

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Citizne:

Sorry ,but you calling my characterization of something 'bullshit, asinine and naive ' comes across as a personal insult to me. You broke the truce, but I'm willing to overlook that, this time.

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I'm not having the Y2K discusison all over again. That you choose to continue to see things in your own narrow manner isn't my burden, it's yours.

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Stop denying there weren't enormous false claims made about Y2K, because there were.

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So I ask you, stop simply playing the part of antagonist merely for the sake of it,and actually read what it is that I'm posting. This sort of back and forth really is a waste of time and I'm beyond tired of it.

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There must be a lot of crackers in England, because the size of its parrots, man sized, it seems, is quite note worthy.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
What's so funny is that, before America won her independence , it was the colonalist who saw themselves far more moral than the foul mouthed, crude, godless and lustful British soldiers.

Not making any judgement calls either way in the current status, I just thought it was fun to bring up.

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I think you kind of have to take it in the vein it's intended - I view it as humorous, not as mean-spirited.

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citizen.... I won't have my words twisted around and thrown back at me. I stand by exactly WHAT I SAID, not what you distorted me saying.

I know what I said, because I said them. That you misunderstood, or probably intentionally distorted, I can't be held accountable.

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Insulting, to the last.

Classic.

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Spoken like the intellectual juvenile which you are.

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Those were primarily Hessians, point of fact.

And since when have any "soldiers" been anything BUT lustful and foulmouthed ?

Seriously dude, pick up a history book or something, hell, if yer not gonna read it, eat it or something, might educate ya by osmosis...

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Seriously dude, pick up a history book or something, hell, if yer not gonna read it, eat it or something, might educate ya by osmosis...

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