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She will pay a high price for her treachery against her fellow liberals. I cannot imagine why she set herself up for that type of future abuse.

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SignyM wrote:
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Well, as a long-time feminist I do NOT support Palin. Neither do most feminists, and for the life of me I can't imagine why this woman would. She certainly didn't explain herself. Maybe she's a corporo-feminist.

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Maybe she's like blacks who supported Clarence Thomas simply because he was black.

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BTW- There's that one red spot on a canvas of blue that I was talking about in the other thread. You're clinging to it like it was a life jacket. One person's opinion doesn't mean much, no matter what her bona fides.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

If you saw the video , she was standing behind a podium which had a sign on it.... " Country First ". Very apt, as she's putting country first above party, above partisanship, above political ideology. This truly is a COUNTRY FIRST moment.

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[.. insofar as they may differ from people's interests in general.

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Originally posted by SimonWho:

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

If you saw the video , she was standing behind a podium which had a sign on it.... " Country First ". Very apt, as she's putting country first above party, above partisanship, above political ideology. This truly is a COUNTRY FIRST moment.

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Only the first syllable of it.

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Originally posted by SignyM:


As far as I can tell, the only thing that liberals and conservative disagree on is not WHAT we want, but HOW best to get there.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Well, what do you suppose is in the interests of "liberals" as opposed to "conservatives"?

It seems to me that most people want the same things: A secure job that pays enough for the necessities and just a few luxuries, a safe neighborhood to live in, good schools for the kids, freedom from intimidation, a sense of control over one's destiny, friends and family and the time to enjoy being with them, a chance to do something meaningful with whatever talents one has.

As far as I can tell, the only thing that liberals and conservative disagree on is not WHAT we want, but HOW best to get there.

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One issue divides our entire society's view of a person's worth and value?

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One issue divides our entire society's view of a person's worth and value?

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Yes. 30% of all women have had an abortion. It's the big, unspoken secret of our society.


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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Take just one issue out of the equation...abortion, and then tell my why NO women's group can support Palin?

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Nearly half of pregnancies among American women are unintended, and four in 10 of these are terminated by abortion. Twenty-two percent of all pregnancies (excluding miscarriages) end in abortion.

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Nearly half of pregnancies among American women are unintended, and four in 10 of these are terminated by abortion. Twenty-two percent of all pregnancies (excluding miscarriages) end in abortion.

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Best stats I can find quickly.

www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html

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Originally posted by Storymark:

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Take just one issue out of the equation...abortion, and then tell my why NO women's group can support Palin?

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I would say her record on other women's issues would be a factor. In a state with one of the highest per-capita rates of domestic violence against women, and a Native population where 1 in 3 women are raped (generally by non-native men), Palin cut funding to women's shelters and charged the victims (or their insurance) for rape kits.

Not to mention, her running mate voted against equal pay for women.

I see those as being pretty big black marks on the women's issues scale, without even touching on roe v wade.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Or blacks who are voting for Obama now, JUST BECAUSE HE'S BLACK ?

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I don't doubt that NOW has done a lot for women, any more than I would doubt the NRA has done a lot for second amendment rights...

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A good case example of when an organisations size and self-interest overcoming their original purpose would be the AARP's support of a medicare drug plan that was ultimately detrimental to seniors.

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I don't know any of that to be totally factual, but I do appreciate your including them in the forum. It's easy to spin a person's vote on any bill that has multiple purposes. Saying McCain voted against equal pay for women somehow just doesn't ring true in a pure sense. When was there ever a vote in the Senate where the sole issue was equal pay for women?

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Or blacks who are voting for Obama now, JUST BECAUSE HE'S BLACK ?

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Or blacks who are voting for Obama now, JUST BECAUSE HE'S BLACK ?

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Or MAYBE they feel that they're putting "Country First", putting the needs of the majority of their country ahead of the needs of the few ultra-rich like the McCains.

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Oddly, I don't think you'd have a problem with that. You seem very quick to denigrate the reasons blacks may have for voting for Obama, but utterly refuse to accept that there are those who will vote for McCain and Palin for their very own versions of those exact same reasons.

You also seem completely unable to accept the idea that maybe, just maybe, those who vote for Obama are indeed thinking of their country first, and see Obama as a better hope for the future than McCain, the glowering visage of Father Time himself, deeply stuck in the past and unable to come to grips with the present, much less deal with the challenges of the future.

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Originally posted by rue:
"Obama claims he'll cut taxes for 95 % of the country, when most of them don't even PAY income taxes."

Are you saying 95% of the country doesn't pay income taxes ? Or are you talking about 'them' - blacks ?

Now your racism is fully on. Also your stupidity and inability to put together a coherent argument.

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With time, comes wisdom. And experience. Two things Obama lacks.

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I don't begrudge blacks for voting for Obama, I was merely pointing out a fact.

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Originally posted by rue:
"Obama claims he'll cut taxes for 95 % of the country, when most of them don't even PAY income taxes."

Are you saying 95% of the country doesn't pay income taxes ? Or are you talking about 'them' - blacks ?

Now your racism is fully on. Also your stupidity and inability to put together a coherent argument.

And now we can ALL see what really drives you.

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With time, comes wisdom. And experience. Two things Obama lacks.

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I don't begrudge blacks for voting for Obama, I was merely pointing out a fact.

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If you weren't trying to begrudge blacks voting for Obama, why did you feel the need to point it out?

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Maybe she's like blacks who supported Clarence Thomas simply because he was black.

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No, 95% of the American tax payers do NOT pay income taxes. It's a fact. Dunno why you are bringing up blacks into the equation. I'm talking tax payers.

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Originally posted by rue:
"Obama claims he'll cut taxes for 95 % of the country, when most of them don't even PAY income taxes."

Are you saying 95% of the country doesn't pay income taxes ? Or are you talking about 'them' - blacks ?

Now your racism is fully on. Also your stupidity and inability to put together a coherent argument.

And now we can ALL see what really drives you.

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No, 95% of the American tax payers do NOT pay income taxes. It's a fact. Dunno why you are bringing up blacks into the equation. I'm talking tax payers.






It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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PolitiFact wrote:

Fred Thompson, in arguing that the tax cuts of the Bush administration should be renewed, said that 5 percent of Americans pay over half the income taxes in this country, and that 40 percent of Americans pay no income taxes at all.

Both figures are true.

The top 5 percent of all payers do pay more than half the income tax. They pay about 59.2 percent of all individual income tax, according to an analysis by the Tax Policy Center, a nonpartisan institute run jointly by the Urban Institute and the Brookings Institution.

Thompson also said that 40 percent of Americans pay no income tax. This claim is supported by the Tax Foundation, a nonpartisan tax research group that promotes transparency in the tax code and economic growth.

There's a small caveat to the 40 percent number — it includes nonfilers, typically taxpayers who don't have to file returns because their incomes are too low. It's logical to assume that most nonfilers don't pay income taxes, but it's possible that some did if they had income taxes withheld by an employer. This is probably a very small number, because people with low incomes have an economic incentive to file a return and get a refund.

The U.S. income tax system is progressive, which means that rates increase as income increases. Given that structure, it makes sense that people with higher incomes pay more taxes, and people with low incomes might pay no tax at all. Thompson's numbers are on the money, and we rate them True.

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So..... the bottom 50% of taxpayers pay only 2.99% of all income taxes collected?

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Now it seems as though you're changing your tune, and claiming that you weren't "lying", you just didn't know the facts. So your defense is that you're not a liar, you're a fucking idiot who spouts off stupid shit without even bothering to try to verify it. Is that about the size of it?

Huh.

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Yes, you've cuaght Rappy spewing bullshit, red-handed.

Of course he wants you to move on.

*psst* Hey, Rappy, you do realize that when you claim something as a "fact" when it is indeed something you made up out of thin air - you prove yourself to be a total asshat? Just checking.

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See, simply because I'm on the other side of the political fence as you, you'll not take anything I say as being legitimate. It's a defense mechanism humans have since our days on the African savannah.... those different from us are bad, ergo, if I say something which doesn't ring true to what's comfortable w/ your world view, I'm ' wrong ' by default. It's your knee jerk reaction that's hard wired , thanks to evolution. I don't expect you to cast away any erroneous remark on my part, for that would take away some of your perceived ammo that you cling to, in use against me.

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i can say 97 things which are 100% accurate and true, but if I screw up on an tiny detail on the next 3 things, I'm crucified , in YOUR mind, as being "dumb, stupid, a liar...." anything which makes YOU feel better about yourself. You simply refuse to see the big picture, and I can understand that. It' s your survival instinct kicking in, keeping you from being overwhelmed at having to face REALITY.

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I kinda feel for you, for it's not your fault. Except that , INTELLIGENT beings can overcome their lower instincts, and see more that's there.

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. You got caught lying,

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Yes, you've cuaght Rappy spewing bullshit, red-handed.

Of course he wants you to move on.

*psst* Hey, Rappy, you do realize that when you claim something as a "fact" when it is indeed something you made up out of thin air - you prove yourself to be a total asshat? Just checking.

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See, simply because I'm on the other side of the political fence as you, you'll not take anything I say as being legitimate. It's a defense mechanism humans have since our days on the African savannah.... those different from us are bad, ergo, if I say something which doesn't ring true to what's comfortable w/ your world view, I'm ' wrong ' by default. It's your knee jerk reaction that's hard wired , thanks to evolution. I don't expect you to cast away any erroneous remark on my part, for that would take away some of your perceived ammo that you cling to, in use against me.

i can say 97 things which are 100% accurate and true, but if I screw up on an tiny detail on the next 3 things, I'm crucified , in YOUR mind, as being "dumb, stupid, a liar...." anything which makes YOU feel better about yourself. You simply refuse to see the big picture, and I can understand that. It' s your survival instinct kicking in, keeping you from being overwhelmed at having to face REALITY.

I kinda feel for you, for it's not your fault. Except that , INTELLIGENT beings can overcome their lower instincts, and see more that's there.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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you not agreeing w/ me doesn't equate to me being " full of shit" . If anything, it shows your ignorance on a great many things.

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