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Originally posted by Khyron:
AURaptor, I asked you to define American, not un-American.

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Trolls Against McCain, my friends.

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Originally posted by Khyron:
AURaptor, I asked you to define American, not un-American.

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Trolls Against McCain, my friends.

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What the hell is this, a 5th grade essay contest ?

Sorry, I missed your initial request, but it should be self explanatory.

Those who are proud to be Americans want the best for the country, and its citizens. They extol the ideas and concepts of why this country was founded, promote the concept of freedom for the individual, while promoting ( not insuring ) the general welfare. The rants of Rev Wright have clearly impacted the mind and vision of not only Barack, but also his wife. ( For the first time in my adult life, I'm proud of my country ... ) Both of them seem bitter, when the fact is, they've done far better than most in this country, even with its alleged deep seeded racism.

They send mix message, imo, and despite their flowery rhetoric of change and hope, I'm more worried for my country than I ever thought possible.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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He can't, because I'm not. It's a classic Liberal charge they make when they've lost the debate.

Others include : Homophobic, greedy, and something about wanting to pollute the water and air, or some such nonsense.

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Seriously, Libs, I love you guys. You are doing what you think is right, and for some things you are right....but, you never see where your "ideals" end.

So whatever. Smoke 'em if you can..and grab your fiddles too. Come on by D.C. You can watch Rome burn with me.

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Rue, I know you're stupid, there's no debate about that.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Those who are proud to be Americans want the best for the country, and its citizens. They extol the ideas and concepts of why this country was founded, promote the concept of freedom for the individual, while promoting ( not insuring ) the general welfare.

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The rants of Rev Wright have clearly impacted the mind and vision of not only Barack, but also his wife. ( For the first time in my adult life, I'm proud of my country ... ) Both of them seem bitter

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Um, racism, and black supremacism is NOT "hope".

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They talk about hope for the future and they seem "bitter" to you? Huh ...

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You should watch the entire Wright video. Might be an eye-opener as to what he was actually getting at.

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Those who are proud to be Americans want the best for the country, and its citizens. They extol the ideas and concepts of why this country was founded

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Those who are proud to be Americans want the best for the country, and its citizens. They extol the ideas and concepts of why this country was founded

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Don't forget that WHILE this country was extolling the virtues of liberty for the individual, it was ALSO founded on slavery and sexism. At the time of the FF, "liberty" was extended only to white males. And make no mistake: racism (against blacks) and sexism still exists today.

If YOU can show that we have a true meritocracy, that justice and opportunity are truly blind, then I would say that bitterness is incomprehensible. But you can't.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Back then, Rapo, women did not have the vote nor did they have equal protection under the law. In fact we still don't have a Constitutional amendment saying so. So yeah there WAS institutionalized "sexism", same as slavery and it still exists today.

And while we STRIVE to be a better nation we're not there yet. People do get trampled by injustice and prejudice, even today. If you had to put up with half the shit that blacks do, I think you'd be bitter too. Look YOU have the advantages of being a white male and you're frightened because part of you knows that we DON'T have fair opportunity and justice. And even you're bitter. Look into your heart, man, and stop being so afraid.

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Per Rev Wright, and his US of KKKA screech, those RICH, WHITE PEOPLE! , chickens coming home.......to roost! remarks are beyond reprehensible.

Their campaign slogans aside, it's what they say off stage which concerns me the most.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
If that's how you feel, that this kind of talk, and being associated with it in any way, is un-American, then you need to distance yourself RIGHT NOW from that un-American traitor John McCain, who "pals around" with that hatemonger John Hagee, who says New Orleans "got what it deserved" when destroyed by Katrina, refers to the Catholic Church as "the whore of the world", says the Jews deserved the Holocaust, and believes that any city that allows a gay pride parade deserves to be destroyed.

So you, McCane and Sarah Plain really have no moral high ground. It's just more of the same old talking points that have been rehashed ad infinitum.

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The economy was on fire, not too long ago. It absolutely had been when I made that remark, a year or so ago. Not 4 weeks ago, neither party even MENTIONED Fannie or Freddie crisis , on the horizon.

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The McCain-Hagee Connection
Why is the press ignoring this hate-monger?

By Zachary Roth
Fri 7 Mar 2008 02:27 PM

More than a week after John McCain’s endorsement by the anti-Catholic, anti-Semitic pastor John Hagee, the media continues to give the GOP nominee a free pass.

Consider the following pronouncements by Hagee, the man who McCain proudly introduced as an ally last week.

On Jews:

It was the disobedience and rebellion of the Jews, God’s chosen people, to their covenantal responsibility to serve only the one true God, Jehovah, that gave rise to the opposition and persecution that they experienced beginning in Canaan and continuing to this very day.
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How utterly repulsive, insulting, and heartbreaking to God for his chosen people to credit idols with bringing blessings he had showered upon the chosen people. Their own rebellion had birthed the seed of anti-Semitism that would arise and bring destruction to them for centuries to come.
On gays:

All hurricanes are acts of God, because God controls the heavens. I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God, and they are — were recipients of the judgment of God for that. The newspaper carried the story in our local area that was not carried nationally that there was to be a homosexual parade there on the Monday that the Katrina came. And the promise of that parade was that it was going to reach a level of sexuality never demonstrated before in any of the other Gay Pride parades. So I believe that the judgment of God is a very real thing. I know that there are people who demur from that, but I believe that the Bible teaches that when you violate the law of God, that God brings punishment sometimes before the day of judgment. And I believe that the Hurricane Katrina was, in fact, the judgment of God against the city of New Orleans.
Hagee, of course, is also a virulent anti-Catholic, who has suggested that the pope is the anti-Christ, and that Adolf Hitler’s anti-Semitism was the result of being educated at a Catholic school.

One would think that when a leading presidential candidate proudly touts the support of such a figure, the issue would receive close scrutiny from the press. But last week, once McCain assured reporters that, just because Hagee was endorsing him, it didn’t mean he agreed with everything Hagee said, the mainstream media essentially let the matter drop. Chalk another up for the Straight-Talking candidate.

That’s all the more remarkable given the high-profile grilling Barack Obama has received on the subject of Louis Farrakhan. In a recent Democratic debate, Tim Russert asked Obama to reject Farrakhan’s support. And in January, Washington Post columnist Richard Cohen drew attention to the fact that a magazine controlled by Obama’s pastor had given an award to the Nation of Islam founder.

But so far, neither Russert nor anyone else at NBC News has seen fit to press McCain on the subject, and Cohen hasn’t chosen to write about it. And remember, Obama did nothing to solicit Farrakhan’s support, while McCain actively sought Hagee’s and appeared on stage with him.

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Shouldn't it be despicable when ANYONE does it?

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SIGNYM - how about joining us in the now ? Where women not only have the right to vote, they hold political office, own businesses, land, and much to everyone's surprise , drive cars!!!! What the hell are you babbling on about " institutionalized " sexism ?

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Shouldn't it be despicable when ANYONE does it?

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THIEF!!
I lay claim to royalties, Mikey.
Payable in chocolate, of course.

-F

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