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But if there were legitimate reasons then what difference to the personal reasons make? I can only fire people I like??????

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Palin was found to have abused her authority because she tried to get the trooper fired

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Originally posted by Riverlove:
The ACORN thing will be Obama's undoing. Gave them $ 800,000 from his campaign. Was their former mentor. Was their attorney. They're under FBI investigation in 8 states for voter fraud. They been convicted dozens of times before. They keep getting millions of dollars from Liberals, their offices have been raided by FBI and state investigators, and there are now piles of brand new sworn statements and un-deniable evidence testifying to gross voter registration fraud, numbering in the the 10's of thousands. That's 10,000's of crimes and felonies, almost exclusively favoring Democrats. And committed by recruited and funded Democrat operatives in the field. What's worse? Someone stealing your vote, or stealing your money? Answer. Democrats stole them both. And I'm sorry Dems, but there's a very clear and straight line from these felonious vote stealers to Obama and his campaign.

And by the way, you Obama supporters were certainly correct in your arched-back indignation over Palin's use of the term Community Organizer for Obama. I can see why. That's some community! ACORN, AYERS, WRIGHT, FLEAGER, , and of course, the big daddy, the millionnaire slumlord of the community, Tony the Man REZKO. Obama sure drank from Rezko's fountain now, didn't he? All of these despicable human beings and organizations are hardly simple and innocent associations for Obama as is the often-heard pitiful defense, rather more a brotherhood of radical purpose, including deep involvements and working relationships, in harmony of spirit and cause, and with large financial connections as well. The man had NO judgement, he was one of them, but now he doesn't like any of them anymore. Contemplate that my friends when your're getting all spun about with Palin.

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Originally posted by Kirkules:

I wish McCain had someone like Riverlove writing his campain comercials, he'd win in a landslide.

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Originally posted by chrisisall: Riverlove brings up many cogent points- things to remember & keep an eye on, but none of that, let me repeat, NONE OF THAT mitigates the sheer lack O' brains on the Palin/McCain ticket.

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Originally posted by Khyron:
Chris, having Palin on any ticket wouldn't be a more perfect world.

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I've asked so many questions in the last few weeks, I've not received a single answer to any of them. Which is depressing, because it shows me that the people on the right on this board know McCain/Palin are corrupt, have acted indefensibly in the past and are completely unfit for office, yet they still support them.

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Another question I have: Why did Palin quote (uncredited) Westbrook Pegler, the mid-century Hearst columnist famous for his anti-Semitism, racism and violent rhetorical excess, in her convention speech?

What if Obama had done something similar, like quote Farrakhan? It would've been the end of his campaign.

I've asked so many questions in the last few weeks, I've not received a single answer to any of them. Which is depressing, because it shows me that the people on the right on this board know McCain/Palin are corrupt, have acted indefensibly in the past and are completely unfit for office, yet they still support them.

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Originally posted by Khyron:
It's funny how the right ignores the facts when it comes to Obama's associations, and also ignores the facts when it comes to McCain's and Palin's associations. As Colbert said, reality just has a strong liberal bias.

Can SOMEBODY (ANYBODY!) please explain to me why it's alright to run for the White House and be married to a long-time secessionist!?

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Originally posted by Kirkules:
On the "secessionist" thing, I think it's a matter of what you thinks is worse, someone who thinks it's alright to pal around with a domestic terrorist or someone who theoretically believes that a State should be able to secede from the union.

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Thomas Jefferson thought so, and he's still a pretty popular dude where I come from. I think if you would take a poll of those living south of the Mason Dixon Line you'd find the majority still think secession in legal.

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Originally posted by Kirkules:

On the "secessionist" thing, I think it's a matter of what you think is worse, someone who thinks it's alright to pal around with a domestic terrorist or someone who theoretically believes that a State should be able to secede from the union.

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Originally posted by Kirkules:
I wish McCain had someone like Riverlove writing his campain comercials, he'd win in a landslide.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Yeah, but let's not behave as if the Obama/Biden ticket is squeeky clean, at their heart, they still represent status quo BS, just a more palatable version IMO.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:

But really, is a person always a terrorist, even if he's renounced his past violent ways? Even if he's changed at his core beliefs? Is there no redemption?
Did Darth Vader not learn??
Can't Obama be allowed to consort with peeps that have a severely checkered past?
If not- then Bush is likely a terrorist as well, and surely Cheney, who palled around with Saddam hisself....

Now, if only Palin would give up her stupidity and embrace knowledge & geography....

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Originally posted by swish:
So I get it - scare the idiots enough with implausible BS about Barack "Hussein" and that's just better in the long run for you who love McCain. Right?

But the events of the past week have got me wondering: are you Obama haters not playing, but you really and truly believe that he's a Muslim terrorist America hater out to do nothing but tear the US down? Really, no snark here - do you really believe that?

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Originally posted by Khyron:
Chris, you've also given me some head-scratchers in this thread, your last post complementing Kirkules on his sophism is one of them

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Yeah, but let's not behave as if the Obama/Biden ticket is squeeky clean, at their heart, they still represent status quo BS, just a more palatable version IMO.

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I'm not arguing that the Obama/Biden ticket is squeaky clean, and arguing against this hate- and fear-mongering smear campaign shouldn't be seen as saying "My team is perfect!".

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Originally posted by Kirkules:
Nobody here that I've seen has suggested that Obama is a terrorist, just that it shows bad judgment hanging out with one.

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Darth Vader is a little harder case as he actually destroyed an entire planet. I don't think there's any coming back from that.

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I have quite a few liberal/socialist/commie friends and I have no problem with that. If any one of them ran for President I would appose them just as strongly as I appose Obama.

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Vogler disappeared under suspicious circumstances in May 1993, just weeks before he was scheduled to give a speech to the United Nations on Alaskan independence, sponsored by the government of Iran. Convicted thief Manfried West confessed to having murdered Vogler the following year in what he described as a plastic explosives sale gone bad. Vogler's remains were discovered in a gravel pit east of Fairbanks in October 1994 following an anonymous tip. They had been wrapped in a blue tarp secured with duct tape and were identified through fingerprint analysis.

In the opinion of AIP Chair Lynette Clark and other AIP leaders, however, Vogler's death reflected more than a dispute with West. Clark has stated, "He was executed." She notes that Vogler was about to appear before the United Nations to address the issue of Alaskan independence: "The United States government would have been deeply embarrassed. And we can't have that, can we?"

Vogler was buried in Dawson City, Yukon Territory, Canada, fulfulling his wish that he not be buried under the American flag.

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That doesn't mean I LIKE the jugeared shitheel on the other end, it just means I think he's got a better chance of actually getting us moving in the right direction to solve some of this mess

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Quoting Pegler - so what, just cause he was a shithead and an asshole means he never said anything in his life that made sense ?
I mean, come on, Wernher von Braun was a former nazi, does that mean our space program is then evil because of that fact ?
Filed beneath notice or caring.

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Originally posted by Khyron:
It's funny how the right ignores the facts when it comes to Obama's associations, and also ignores the facts when it comes to McCain's and Palin's associations. As Colbert said, reality just has a strong liberal bias.

Can SOMEBODY (ANYBODY!) please explain to me why it's alright to run for the White House and be married to a long-time secessionist!?

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Todd Palin is in NO SENSE WHAT SO EVER A " long time secessionist ". He looked into an minor politcal party for a few yrs, then decided to go another way

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It's apples and oranges, to be honest. Todd Palin is in NO SENSE WHAT SO EVER A " long time secessionist ". He looked into an minor politcal party for a few yrs, then decided to go another way, becoming an independent.

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Sources... have not been able to find documents that would confirm [Sarah] Palin's actual membership in the organization. However, Palin has been associated with the group for 15 years and has taken part in a number of AIP events. While confirmation of her membership has not been found, it has been confirmed that her husband, Todd Palin, was in fact a member of the AIP for several years....as recently as 2002. It's interesting that Todd Palin cleaned up his membership in the group only when his wife decided to run for State-wide office.

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Also, secessionist [sic] don't , as a rule, HATE nearly as much as the bombers or the racist that Obama hangs out with. So I'd shut your pie hole when wailing about there not being "equal coverage".

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Quotes from AIP Founder Joe Vogler:

Joe Vogler, made these comments in 1991, in an interview that's now housed at the Oral History Program in the Rasmuson Library at the University of Alaska, Fairbanks.

"The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government," Vogler said in the interview, in which he talked extensively about his desire for Alaskan secession, the key goal of the AIP.

"And I won't be buried under their damn flag," Vogler continued in the interview, which also touched on his disappointment with the American judicial system. "I'll be buried in Dawson. And when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home.

“I’m an Alaskan, not an American. I’ve got no use for America or her damned institutions.”

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He's not running for V.P., she is.

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Suck the blood from your fellow Americans' veins & call for more, you vampiric piece of elephant-humping, goose-stepping fan of rapture-embracing world-haters!!!

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I also can’t know that she abused her authority. You’re putting faith in the outcome of an investigation that could very likely be politically motivated.

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Does.not.com.pute.

How can one love one's country but not want one's state to be a part of it? Aren't those two mutually exclusive?

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The ACORN thing will be Obama's undoing. Gave them $ 800,000 from his campaign. Was their former mentor. Was their attorney. They're under FBI investigation in 8 states for voter fraud. They been convicted dozens of times before. They keep getting millions of dollars from Liberals, their offices have been raided by FBI and state investigators, and there are now piles of brand new sworn statements and un-deniable evidence testifying to gross voter registration fraud, numbering in the the 10's of thousands. That's 10,000's of crimes and felonies, almost exclusively favoring Democrats. And committed by recruited and funded Democrat operatives in the field. What's worse? Someone stealing your vote, or stealing your money? Answer. Democrats stole them both. And I'm sorry Dems, but there's a very clear and straight line from these felonious vote stealers to Obama and his campaign.

And by the way, you Obama supporters were certainly correct in your arched-back indignation over Palin's use of the term Community Organizer for Obama. I can see why. That's some community! ACORN, AYERS, WRIGHT, FLEAGER, , and of course, the big daddy, the millionnaire slumlord of the community, Tony the Man REZKO. Obama sure drank from Rezko's fountain now, didn't he? All of these despicable human beings and organizations are hardly simple and innocent associations for Obama as is the often-heard pitiful defense, rather more a brotherhood of radical purpose, including deep involvements and working relationships, in harmony of spirit and cause, and with large financial connections as well. The man had NO judgement, he was one of them, but now he doesn't like any of them anymore. Contemplate that my friends when your're getting all spun about with Palin.

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Obama is the chosen one of the hard-core demented Left. I'm talking MoveON and Daily Kos radical

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I appose Kirkules...

As opposed to opposeisall

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I think you have invented most of the Obama hatred you see in your own head.

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He's Nobody here that I've seen has suggested that Obama is a terrorist, just that it shows bad judgment hanging out with one.

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I have quite a few liberal/socialist/commie friends and I have no problem with that. If any one of them ran for President I would appose them just as strongly as I appose Obama.

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It's apples and oranges, to be honest. Todd Palin is in NO SENSE WHAT SO EVER A " long time secessionist ". He looked into an minor politcal party for a few yrs, then decided to go another way, becoming an independent. Contrary to the 2 for 1 couples we see in politcs so often these days, that ain't Sarah and Todd. He's not running for V.P., she is.

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Also, secessionist don't , as a rule, HATE nearly as much as the bombers or the racist that Obama hangs out with.

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Oh, I see. Yes, clearly it's written in the Universal Secessionist Charter that one must not ever go beyond Hate Factor 3, while the Friends of Obama Manifesto demands a Hate Factor of at least 7. Indeed, it's right there in the rules!!

What in the hell are you smoking, AURaptor?

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
What the hell are YOU smoking ? Secessionist are those who simply want to dissolve the politcal bonds which connect them w/ our own country.

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I was responding to another post which was comparing Obama's friends ( Ayers and Rev Wright ) to Palin's HUSBAND's distant associates, a political party he no longer supports that favors secession to the USA. They don't want WAR with the U.S. they just want to govern themselves.

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Joe Vogler, made these comments in 1991, in an interview that's now housed at the Oral History Program in the Rasmuson Library at the University of Alaska, Fairbanks.

"The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government," Vogler said in the interview, in which he talked extensively about his desire for Alaskan secession, the key goal of the AIP.

"And I won't be buried under their damn flag," Vogler continued in the interview, which also touched on his disappointment with the American judicial system. "I'll be buried in Dawson. And when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home.

“I’m an Alaskan, not an American. I’ve got no use for America or her damned institutions.”

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Originally posted by Riverlove:

For me the most hysterical part of the Dem's position on Troopergate is that it may be the first time in recorded history that Liberals and other Dems support a police officer.

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
One can be a secessionist and still love one’s country.

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http://www.dmagazine.com/ME2/dirmod.asp?nm=Core+Pages&type=gen&mod=Cor
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Today it is conservatives, not liberals, who talk with alarming bellicosity about making the world “safe for democracy.” It is John McCain who says America’s job is to “defeat evil,” a theological expansion of the nation’s mission that would make George Washington cough out his wooden teeth.

This kind of conservatism, which is not conservative at all, has produced financial mismanagement, the waste of human lives, the loss of moral authority, and the wreckage of our economy that McCain now threatens to make worse.

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Todd was registered for a few yrs, but only ACTIVE for like 2.

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Haven't we learned what happens to our govt when the president hands out jobs based on politics rather than merit?

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