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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
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Originally posted by whozit:
The NRA has endorced McCain.

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Is Obama really against gun ownership in America?

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
He's got a history of being fairly anti-gun, which is my single biggest problem with Obama. I have some faith in the Second Amendment, though, and I honestly don't think anyone is going to get enough support for a constitutional amendment to overturn it.

There's a lot of hysteria over Obama's stance on the issue, with lots of gun enthusiasts absolutely convinced that on January 21st, 2009, Obama (if he wins) will sign laws outlawing all gun ownership, and the feds will show up at your door that day to confiscate all your "illegal" weapons (which would +be all of them). Truth is, that's not going to happen.

What he CAN do, and probably will try to do, is steer legislation favorable to his views. This is my worry, and it's a valid one. There was already a new, expanded version of Clinton's "Assault Weapons Ban" introduced in the House of Representatives this year, but it will surprise you WHO introduced it: four REPUBLICAN Congressmen!

I have little doubt that another AWB is coming, one way or another. All that gun enthusiasts can do in the meantime is contact their Congresspeople and make their views known.

And if you have your eye on a gun, it's a good idea to buy it sooner rather than later - especially if you desire something with a magazine capacity of more than 10 rounds. I've picked up a couple interesting items in the past few months, but now I'm stocking up more on ammo (prices have skyrocketed in the past few years) and "high-capacity" magazines rather than on any particular model of handgun or rifle. What good is a gun if you don't have any ammo for it?

But yeah, Obama's record on guns is definitely not one of his strong suits, in my opinion. :(

This world is a comedy for those who think, and a tragedy for those who feel.

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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
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I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Obama is NOT anti gun OWNERSHIP. You can own guns. He is for gun CONTROL.

There is a difference.

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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
O2B

I could really care less.

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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Obama is NOT anti gun OWNERSHIP. You can own guns. He is for gun CONTROL.

There is a difference.

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I'd really like for you to explain that difference.

Convince me that Sen. Obama won't try to infringe my Second Amendment rights.

If you can't, then, based on the record, the "If he ain't for it he's against it" rule applies.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Obama is NOT anti gun OWNERSHIP. You can own guns. He is for gun CONTROL.

There is a difference.

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I'd really like for you to explain that difference.

Convince me that Sen. Obama won't try to infringe my Second Amendment rights.

If you can't, then, based on the record, the "If he ain't for it he's against it" rule applies.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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...Just ATTENDING one of these "gun shows" put you on a Fed list !

Seems none of our candidates are squeaky clean on this one. Except maybe Ron Paul. Feel free to write him in.

Mike

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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
he would probably tell you to control your gun or he would control it for you

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Originally posted by out2theblack:
Gun Control is the ability to HIT YOUR TARGET !

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Originally posted by OPPYH:
Thanks for your honesty.

^^^You know, I expected a little more from most people who posted on this thread. I just wanted an honest answer. For some of you to just blatantly say "NO" without doing any research or knowing what your talking about is a disservice to the truth. Obama is clearly anti-gun(at least handguns). For me this is a deal breaker. I'm simply not voting.

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"Obama's Ten Point Plan to 'Change' the Second Amendment…Ban use of firearms for home defense."

National Rifle Association on Friday, August 1st, 2008 in direct mail piece

Yes, and outlaw apple pie as well

In a hard-hitting direct-mail piece to its members, the National Rifle Association detailed an alleged plan by Sen. Barack Obama to transform gun-ownership regulations.

Obama's "plan" appeared on a section of the mailer designed to be cut out and carried around in a wallet. The front of the wallet card said, "Barack Obama's Ten Point Plan to 'Change' the Second Amendment." The reverse listed the 10 parts of the alleged plan, starting with, "Ban use of firearms for home defense."

An NRA spokeswoman confirmed the authenticity of the mailer, which first appeared in early August 2008, but would not provide details of what its claims were based on. For that, she referred us to various NRA Web sites.

We could find no support on any of them for the allegation that Obama has a plan to ban the use of firearms for home defense. What we did find, and what we suspect is the root of this allegation, was information about a vote Obama cast as an Illinois state senator in May 2004. (See this essay by NRA executive vice president officer Wayne LaPierre.)

The bill in question was a response to the case of Hale DeMar, a Wilmette, Ill., man who shot and wounded a burglar in his home in December 2003. Prosecutors did not charge him for the shooting, since they determined that he acted in self-defense, but they did fine him $750 for violating the local handgun ordinance. An outcry of sympathy for DeMar prompted the state legislature to take up a bill that would let people claim a self-defense protection for using a gun in their homes in violation of local weapons bans.

Obama voted against the measure. The legislature passed it, and later overrode the veto of Democratic Gov. Rod Blagojevich.

Like Blagojevich, Obama framed that debate as a home-rule issue. He told the Associated Press at the time that he voted against the measure out of respect for local governments' authority to set gun policy.

Here's what LaPierre wrote about the vote: "When Obama turned thumbs down on the bill, he voted against the most basic element of the Second Amendment — the right of defense of self and family — the reason that millions of Americans own firearms."

That's a bit of a leap. In concrete terms, Obama's thumbs-down was a vote against the state legislature tweaking a local gun ban. In any event, there's no fair way to interpret it as evidence that Obama has a future plan to ban the use of firearms for home defense.

Moreover, there's ample evidence to the contrary. Here's Obama speaking at a forum sponsored by WJLA-ABC7 and Politico.com on Feb. 12, 2008: "I think we have two conflicting traditions in this country. I think it’s important for us to recognize that we’ve got a tradition of handgun ownership and gun ownership generally. And a lot of people — law-abiding citizens use it for hunting, for sportsmanship, and for protecting their families (emphasis added). We also have a violence on the streets that is the result of illegal handgun usage…We can have reasonable, thoughtful gun control measures that I think respect the Second Amendment and people’s traditions.”

That doesn't sound to us like someone planning to "ban use of firearms for home defense." Quite the opposite, actually.

Ignoring that sort of evidence, and instead extrapolating from one vote on a jurisdictional debate in Illinois a broad-ranging plan to ban guns for home defense, is not just misleading, it's intentionally dishonest. That is, Pants on Fire wrong.

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Originally posted by out2theblack:
Decide for yourself :

There are many more facts on this matter , just waiting to be revealed...

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Originally posted by Khyron:
O2B, chill out, none of FMF's responses to you warrant the verbal abuse you're throwing at her at the moment. It's people who can't control their temper, i.e. people like you, who give gun owners a bad name.

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Originally posted by SimonWho:
Pah, if the founders had wanted guns to be well regulated, they'd have used those words in the amendment.

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Obama has said repeatedly that as President, he is not gonna take your guns away, loudly and often and in front of large crowds. Supporting anti-gun legislation in a state with an extremely high crime rate is a little different from wanting to ban all guns in all 50 states. You ever think he might be in favor of gun laws on a case by case, state by state basis? No where does Obama's Illinois record show that he would support Federal anti-gun laws. Best just to jump to conclusions, though: oh no, he obviously hates guns and wants to repeal the 2nd Amendment!

I echoed FMF's "no" because I've been through this argument half a dozen times already and I have researched his position and the answer is "no."

And a lot has changed in this country since Clinton was President. Thanks to them mouthy Libertarians and our own government's creeping totalitarianism, a lot of people have a much greater appreciation for the 2nd Amendment now (myself included).

HKCavalier

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
It doesnt matter the party.

Anyone tries to take our guns...good luck.

Its funny how the "gun-control" sheeple are always so ready to lie down and let those in "power" violate them. But, then again, they ARE the weak.

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
It doesnt matter the party.

Anyone tries to take our guns...good luck.

Its funny how the "gun-control" sheeple are always so ready to lie down and let those in "power" violate them. But, then again, they ARE the weak.

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Yeah, but my point is, the righties are acting as if Obama is the ONLY one who is advocaqting gun control, and ignoring the fact that it's coming from their "side" as well.

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Yeah, but my point is, the righties are acting as if Obama is the ONLY one who is advocaqting gun control, and ignoring the fact that it's coming from their "side" as well.

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I want the pink mist.

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Lol Well, its good to know you have SOME fight in you.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:

I am a lethal weapon my own self, guns would just slow me down, but I believe in the right to have 'em if y'all feel the need to.

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