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Pigs And Torture

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Tuesday, October 21, 2008 7:34 AM

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"--CHICAGO (AP) — A former high-ranking Chicago police official was arrested Tuesday on charges he lied when he denied that he and detectives under his command tortured murder suspects, federal officials said.

A federal indictment unsealed Tuesday accused former police Lt. Jon Burge of perjury and obstruction of justice for statements he made in 2003 when answering questions related to a civil rights lawsuit.

The arrest capped a long-running controversy over allegations that beatings, electric shocks and death threats were used against suspects at Burge's Area 2 violent crimes headquarters. The allegations contributed to then-Gov. George Ryan's dramatic decision in early 2003 to empty the state's death row.

Burge, 60, who has long denied wrongdoing, was arrested before dawn at his home in Apollo Beach, Fla., the U.S. attorney's office said. He had moved to Florida after he was fired in 1993.

'There is no place for torture and abuse in a police station,' U.S. Attorney Patrick J. Fitzgerald said in a statement. 'There is no place for perjury and false statements in federal lawsuits. No person is above the law and no person — even a suspected murderer — is beneath its protection.'

Burge attorney James Sotos did not immediately respond to a call seeking comment.

The two obstruction counts against Burge each carry a maximum penalty of 20 years in prison, while the perjury count carries up to five years.

The indictment said Burge lied when he said he and other detectives hadn't participated in the 'bagging' of Madison Hobley — covering his head with a typewriter cover until he couldn't breathe — in 1987.

Hobley was suspected of setting a fire that killed seven people including his wife and son. Hobley says he never did confess and that a confession introduced at his trial was fabricated by homicide detectives..."

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jg6HbIvKNixbSn3igLnZ0w2KDBMwD93V0EJ
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I wonder if they obtained " good intel " ?

I also wonder , in this game of monkey-see , monkey-do , are the cops aping the military , or are the military aping the cops...?

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Tuesday, October 21, 2008 7:52 AM

ELVISCHRIST

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I also wonder , in this game of monkey-see , monkey-do , are the cops aping the military , or are the military aping the cops...?

Or can you even tell the difference between the two anymore?

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Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:12 AM

JONGSSTRAW

It's really a good thing that this bad cop wasn't the brother-in-law of the Governor, because then his removal might have been un-ethical.

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Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:27 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

Jong

Why are you unloading your usual ignorant swill here ?

Your every post displays a total contempt for the facts.

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Silence is consent.

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Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:39 AM

JONGSSTRAW

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Originally posted by rue:
Jong

Why are you unloading your usual ignorant swill here ?

Your every post displays a total contempt for the facts.

Why? You ask why Rue?

Because although I rarely post here anymore, I can ALWAYS count on your pathetic nastiness being here; lurking, drooling, foaming, and just waiting to pounce on someone. I've told you to fuck off before. Are you too stupid to do that? Yes you obviously are. Try again, fuck off.

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Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:46 AM

JONGSSTRAW

Obama is a Muslim

* posted to annoy the Rue-ass

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Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:46 AM

JONGSSTRAW

Obama is a terrorist

* posted to piss off the Rue-ass

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Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:47 AM

JONGSSTRAW

Palin will become Rue's role model for eternity.

* posted to agitate the Rue-ass

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Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:49 AM

JONGSSTRAW

McCain is a hero. Obama is a criminal.

* posted to task the Rue-ass

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Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:50 AM

JONGSSTRAW

Leaving now to take a dump....in Honor of the Rue-ass

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Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:51 AM

JONGSSTRAW

C'mon Rue-ass.....5 new opportunities for you! Go get'em hoss!

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Tuesday, October 21, 2008 10:03 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

Oh c'mon Erica, you don't need my help to look like an idiot. You're doing quite well on your own.

Care to post even more to make yourself look even worse ?

Don't let me stand in your way.

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Tuesday, October 21, 2008 10:06 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

I'm waiting for the next JSS demonstration of idiocy.

C'mon Jongsstraw, don't stop now! You're on a roll!

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Let's party like its 1929.

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Tuesday, October 21, 2008 10:14 AM

WHOZIT

They fired him in 1993? Is'nt there a staute of limitations? I'm not defending the scumbag, but this happened 15 years ago.

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Tuesday, October 21, 2008 10:53 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Jong,

It sucks that you would let these assclowns drive you off from posting.

You and I may not agree when it comes to Israel, but so what?

We have similar beliefs when it comes to other things.

Thats how I see things around here. As a place to vent, sometimes. But more, as a place to learn new views and ideas. As a place to hash out ideas and maybe make them better.

Im not going to agree with all of them. Probably never, when it comes to Rue or Citizen... But who knows? A stopped clock can be right 2x a day.

The truth is, you'll never convince everyone of everything everytime.

So Jong, don't let em drive you off. We need some counter balance to the sadly socialist, lamely liberal clap trap around here.

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Tuesday, October 21, 2008 11:26 AM

STORYMARK

Wow.

Jong has some issues.

Subscriptions, even.

*Said with pity for Jong*

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, October 21, 2008 12:38 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Subscriptions my ass, more like whole editions.

Anyhows, fact is, this is how Cops are - we hand them a gun and control over others with no accountability, and this is what it always, ALWAYS comes to.

At least in the LAPD, and now CPD, some folk have tried to clean house, but when it's built on a foundation of shit, the buildings always gonna stink, yanno ?

I could just imagine the crap that would come out if anyone ever dug into the Baltimore city police dept - this is the guys who committed arson against their own internal affairs office in spite of the fact that they never get more than a slap on the wrist no matter how grevious the offense.

The whole system of law enforcement in the county is hopelessly corrupt, and the only answer for it is remove the elements that corrupted it - and make them answerable to a civilian review board drawn at random from the community which they supposedly serve.

THAT would end a lot of this crap on the spot.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Tuesday, October 21, 2008 2:15 PM

OUT2THEBLACK

'...Special prosecutors appointed in 2002 documented more than 100 cases of brutality involving Burge and other police officers who worked on Chicago's South Side. While prosecutors claimed several officers elicited confessions from mostly black suspects through torture, they said the statute of limitations had run out and no one was charged.

The suspects were beaten by mostly white detectives with telephone books, suffocated with plastic typewriter covers, burned with cigarettes, threatened with mock executions, and suffered electric shocks to their genitals.

"There is no place for torture and abuse in a police station. There is no place for perjury and false statements in federal lawsuits," U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald said...'

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE49K6I020081021

Sounds like Chicago P.D. may have inspired the Army activities at Abu Ghraib...

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Tuesday, October 21, 2008 4:10 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Alas, that model was in place long before even that, before even Sembler and Lichfield.

It was the police that shifted to using it on adults, however.

-F

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Wednesday, October 22, 2008 1:06 AM

JONGSSTRAW

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Jong,

It sucks that you would let these assclowns drive you off from posting.

You and I may not agree when it comes to Israel, but so what?

We have similar beliefs when it comes to other things.

Thats how I see things around here. As a place to vent, sometimes. But more, as a place to learn new views and ideas. As a place to hash out ideas and maybe make them better.

Im not going to agree with all of them. Probably never, when it comes to Rue or Citizen... But who knows? A stopped clock can be right 2x a day.

The truth is, you'll never convince everyone of everything everytime.

So Jong, don't let em drive you off. We need some counter balance to the sadly socialist, lamely liberal clap trap around here.

Oh don't fret Wulf, I'm always going to be here. Rue's been trying for years to get rid of me, but has failed miserably. I must be the central focus of her sad, pathetic life, because the second I post something she is always there (24/7/365) to respond with some nasty condescending crap. I do not understand the constant obsessive compulsion of these board-bunnies to have a fucking opinion of everything & everyone.

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Wednesday, October 22, 2008 1:10 AM

JONGSSTRAW

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
I'm waiting for the next JSS demonstration of idiocy.

C'mon Jongsstraw, don't stop now! You're on a roll!

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Let's party like its 1929.

What?....nothing better to do than to inject yourself into something that doesn't concern you? Sad to see you still are behaving like Rue's lap-dog. I had some hope for you based on a couple of exchanges we had recently. Oh well, some things never change.

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Wednesday, October 22, 2008 1:19 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Aw c'mon Jongsstraw!

You DID look like an idiot!

And it was kinda funny....

Anyway, to the point at-hand. Personally, I think we should have a group of peeps with guns who only go into a neighborhood when they are called or when they have a specific task (find and arrest Joe Blow). I know several cops, they have almost never happen to stumble on a crime "in progress" so having them roll around looking for trouble is just an incitement to create it.

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Let's party like its 1929.

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Wednesday, October 22, 2008 1:22 AM

JONGSSTRAW

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Aw c'mon Jongsstraw!

You DID look like an idiot!

And it was kinda funny....

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Let's party like its 1929.

Blow me Sigfried. Then you can go put your head back up Rue's derrier where it belongs.

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Wednesday, October 22, 2008 1:26 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Gosh, you sure are thin-skinned!

Pssst... Jongsstraw, I have a secret for you... when you post on the internet it's public. Didja know that???

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Let's party like its 1929.

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Wednesday, October 22, 2008 1:40 AM

JONGSSTRAW

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Gosh, you sure are thin-skinned!

Pssst... Jongsstraw, I have a secret for you... when you post on the internet it's public. Didja know that???

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Let's party like its 1929.

I didn't know that. Thanks for telling me, although now I'm upset because my history of posts at FFF may someday be exposed and hurt my Presidential aspirations.

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Wednesday, October 22, 2008 1:50 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Truce, okay??

BTW, where the frak are you posting from? You've either up at 3-6 Am or you're in some far-away time-zone. Anyway, I'm goin back to bed. Maybe I can catch a few more zzzzs.

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Let's party like its 1929.

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Wednesday, October 22, 2008 7:56 AM

ELVISCHRIST

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I do not understand the constant obsessive compulsion of these board-bunnies to have a fucking opinion of everything & everyone.

And yet, here's you... on the raggedy edge of night, responding quickly to every single post...

Bored Bunny, much?

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