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Thursday, October 23, 2008 4:23 AM

PIRATENEWS

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CSPAN TO AIR PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE LIVE!


http://c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN2_wm.aspx

Finally, a REAL debate.

Free and Equal is pleased to announce that CSPAN will be covering tonight's debate LIVE from 9:00pm to 10:30 EST.

Free and Equal has also been informed that Corporate Defense Counsel Party, er, Libertarian Party nominee Bob Barr has declined to participate due to "scheduling conflicts". Demoratic Party nominee Hussein Obama Soetoro and Republcon Party nominee Songbird McCain have also declined to participate, "because we don't give a frak about Amerikan sheeple, er, voters".

But three real candidates will be there, and will be forced to prove US citizenship, unlike certain other political parties and "debates".
www.freeandequal.org/events.php

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We have very exciting news!!!

Chuck Baldwin will have an opportunity to share his views in a debate scheduled for Thursday, October 23, at 9:00 PM ET in Washington DC.

Baldwin, along with other third party candidates will show voters they don't have to settle for the socialist policies of Obama or McCain. Chuck will detail his vision for a return to Constitutional government in a 90 minute forum that promises more substance than the sham dog and pony shows we've seen in the last two presidential debates between OCain and McBama!

This was our press release today:

WASHINGTON, DC- Rep. Ron Paul's (R-TX) choice for President is among those invited to a debate for all presidential candidates on Thursday, October 23, in Washington, D.C.


Constitution Party presidential candidate Chuck Baldwin ( www.Baldwin08.com ) will join other third party candidates at the 90-minute forum, which is being sponsored by The Free and Equal Elections Coalition ( www.freeandequal.org ).
The Third Party Presidential Candidates Debate will be held at 9 p.m. (EST) at the Mayflower Hotel, 1127 Connecticut Ave., NW, in Washington, D.C.

A total of six presidential candidates who are on enough state ballots to be eligible to win the election have been invited to participate.

According to Ballot Access News ( www.ballot-access.org ), the Constitution Party is the largest and fastest-growing third party based on voter registrations. The recent endorsement of CP candidate Chuck Baldwin by former GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul has directed many of Paul's supporters to Baldwin. See Ron Paul's endorsement of Baldwin at www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=547 .

The 90-minute debate will focus on the issues that distinguish Chuck Baldwin from the major and minor party presidential candidates in the race: opposition to the so-called ‘bail-outs', opposition to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, support for secure borders, the overturning of Roe v Wade, and a return to limited, Constitutional government.

In addition to Baldwin, the other invited candidates are Republican Party nominee John McCain, Democratic Party nominee Barack Obama, Independent Ralph Nader, the Green Party's Cynthia McKinney ( www.votetruth08.com ), and the Libertarian Party's Bob Barr.



If you were a kid in Iraq or Afghanistan, would pick up this UN food package or this US cluster bomb?

Pastor Chuck Baldwin and Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney adopted Congressman Ron Paul's platform to nationalize the private Federal Reserve Bank that steals all IRS income taxes and counterfeits all US "dollar bills", and stole $5-trillion taxdollars last month.

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Federal Reserve Board Abolition Act HR 2755
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c110:3:./temp/~c110pLwOPK::

"Not one dime of income taxes goes to support any federal program."
-President Ronald Reagan, right before George Bushes' CIA friend John Hinkley Jr shot him

“There is no patriotic duty to pay taxes.”
-Commissioner of Internal Revenue Service v Newman 159 F2d 848,850 (1947)

"Plaintiff, who was injured by vehicle owned and operated by a federal reserve bank, brought action alleging jurisdiction under the Federal Tort Claims Act. The United States District Court for the Central District of California, David W. Williams, J., dismissed holding that federal reserve bank was not a federal agency within meaning of Act and that the court therefore lacked subject-matter jurisdiction. Appeal was taken. The Court of Appeals, Poole, Circuit Judge, held that federal reserve banks are not federal instrumentalities for purposes of the Act, but are independent, privately owned and locally controlled corporations."
-United States Court of Appeals, Ninth Circuit, No. 80-5905, Lewis v. United States, 680 F.2d 1239 (1982)
www.save-a-patriot.org/files/view/frcourt.html



Out of 535 members of Congress, Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney was the first to break the consensus of silence and point to the obvious - that the Bush administration had received advance warnings of an attack, and that this called for a full investigation, without limits on what line of questioning is acceptable.
www.911truth.org/osamas/mckinney.html
www.September911Surprise.com
www.PirateNews.org/911con.html




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Thursday, October 23, 2008 5:17 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Where's the evil Zionist Jew hatred stuff?

I feel cheated!



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" OBAMA IS NOT QUALIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT." Joe Biden

" The Presidency doesn't lend itself to on the job training." Hillary Clinton

" Obama played the race card against Hillary." Bill Clinton

" Obama and the media played the race card against me." Geraldine Ferraro

" Barack is saying he doesn't like me now because he's just being a politician." Rev Jeremiah Wright (smiling)

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Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:51 AM

PIRATENEWS

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Where's the evil Zionist Jew hatred stuff?

I feel cheated!



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" OBAMA IS NOT QUALIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT." Joe Biden

" The Presidency doesn't lend itself to on the job training." Hillary Clinton

" Obama played the race card against Hillary." Bill Clinton

" Obama and the media played the race card against me." Geraldine Ferraro

" Barack is saying he doesn't like me now because he's just being a politician." Rev Jeremiah Wright (smiling)


Good quote on Biden.

Here ya go:

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"A 'Semite' is any person living in that area, including Arabs and Christians. It's time we start talking about 'The Other AntiSemitism'. A Semite is not a Jew living in America or Europe."
—Ralph Nader (Arab-American from Lebannon), Indy presidential candidate 2008, Reform Party presidential nominee in 2004, Green Party presidential nominee in 2000, Arab-American Business conference, C-SPAN, 2003

Semite.
1 a : a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and ARABS - b : a descendant of these peoples - 2 : a member of a modern people speaking a Semitic language.
—Merriam Webster Dictionary



Nader reported that Demorats in Congress can't impeach Bush and the Jewish NeoCons, or Bush will declare martial law and cancel the elctions.


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Thursday, October 23, 2008 10:09 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Why didn't they drag in Barr, was he afraid of offending the GOP again, or scared that Ron Paul might be there ?

FYI, Baldwins a nutter, and fulla typical christian fundie hypocrisy, you watch that debate, you'll see.

And Nader is a self important little prig, not that he doesn't have a lot of good points, but he's been riding on past glories a little too long without getting his hands dirty - he needs to get back in the game personally instead of taking a fully administrative role if he wants to firm up his support base.

We can do better than this sorry lot, Nader's the best of the bunch, but it's a damn poor bunch to begin with.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Thursday, October 23, 2008 4:04 PM

PIRATENEWS

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Of course CSPAN2 is censored and banned by Comcast in Knoxville TN - Skull & Bones territory of GW Bush's gay lover mayor/ambassador Victor "Victoria" Ashe, now running CIA death camps in Poland.
http://web.archive.org/web/20070317212002/http://www.lustfulutterances
.com


Mr Scripps and Mr Howard, owners of Comcast, are members of jewish Bohemian Grove homosexual nudist compound for human sacrifice to Satan. My Comcast 2kb/sec "Slowsky Hi-Speed Broadband" couldn't handle the CSPAN stream, kept cutting out... Comcast throttling again?

Looks like Cynthia McKinney didn't get enough advance notice either. NSA intercept her mail? Arrested again by Fatherland Security? She says Nader set up the debate and picked the moderator (thus picking the questions), so she refused to attend:



Did McKinney take a dive to help Obama?

Chris Hedges did a fairly honest job as moderator, with equal time allocation compared to other debates.

Best quote:

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Baldwin: "Why vote for the lesser evil? Would you rather vote for Nero or Caligula?"


BAM!

Arab Semite Nader mentioned the censored word "DERIVATIVE".

Baldwin mentioned US govt should re-nationalized the "Federal" Reserve Bank and repeal the 16th Amendment and end the IRS income tax.

Nader accused Oboma and McCain as "anti-Semites" that kill Arab Semites, to promote jewish "Israeli AIPAC".

Baldwin attacked Bushes' "New World Order" for globalists and open borders.

Baldwin and Nader both demanded immediate end of all wars, and not start new wars without a declaration of war by Congress.

Baldwin wants habeus corpus, 4th Amendment, end Dept of Homeland Security.

Nader says he wants immediate arrest of Bush and Cheney for all their confessed felonies.

Another great quote:

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Nader: "You're more likely to get penalized if you violate a traffic ordinance, than a politiician who violates the Constitution."



George W Bush arrested, handcuffed, jailed, convicted of DUI, Cheney has 2 DUI convictions
www.piratenews.org/theprohibitiontimes.html

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Baldwin: "We are moving closer to a police-state style of federal government."



Piratenews under arrest for driving safely at 45 mph
US Code requires 6 months jail and $5,000 fine for all fed traffic citations
http://piratenews.org/US_v_Lee_Apellant_Brief_Feb2008web.html

Nader complained about insurance executives paying themselves "$9,000 an hour" salaries.

Baldwin asked Nader: "What do we do to defend our borders?" Nader's answer: Prosecute the employers, $10/hour minimum wage, oppose H1B hi-tech visas.

Baldwin: "A nation without borders is not a nation. We've got to stop this invasion of illegal aliens... (internet streem terminated)"

Nader asked Baldwin: "I suppose you support Supreme Court justice Scalia and (Bushes' cousin) Clarence Thomas. Do you think corporations should have equal protection as human persons?

Baldwin answer: "No, I'm against corporations getting corporate welfare and equal rights as corporate persons. Only humans can have Constitutional rights."

Question: Global warming, is it man-made?

Baldwin: "I'm very skeptical. I believe it's natural. Scientists now say we are going into global cooling."

Nader: "I think it's here, clearly here. Temperatures increasing at a scary rate, due to human behavior overwhelmingly."

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WEATHER CHANNEL SAYS GLOBAL WARMING IS BS
www.infowars.com/articles/science/global_warming_weather_channel_found
er_warming_is_greatest_scam.htm


ARCTIC ICE GROWS 30% A YEAR
www.prisonplanet.com/arctic-ice-grows-30-per-cent-in-a-year.html

SCIENTISTS PREDICT ICE AGE IN 10 YEARS
www.prisonplanet.com/scientist-predicts-ice-age-within-10-years.html

COOLING SUN SHRINKS SOLAR SYSTEM ATMOSPHERE
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/3222476/Suns-prote
ctive-bubble-is-shrinking.html


GLOBAL WARMING IS MENTAL ILLNESS
www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0%2C21985%2C23991257-25717%2C00.html



Abortion:

Pastor Baldwin: "We don't legalize murder because some people still murder in back alleys. We don't legalize thievery because some pople still steal. One million babies are still being slaughtered in the wombs of their mothers. The Republican Party has abandoned the right to life."

Nader: "It's a personal decision. Just like Prohibition of alcohol. China is an example of women forced to not have children. Govt should not have a role in this."

Separation of church and state:

Baldwin: "America has Christian roots. Either we have religious liberty for everyone, or we have it for no one. LDS members support me. We have many of the same beliefs."

Nader: "Separation was designed to protect religion, not the state. Not taxpayer funded preferences."

Baldwin won the debate, which is hard to do against a great speaker like Nader. Nader just looked and sounded old, and his lack of 100% honesty showed. Gay Nader profits from millions of dollars in "leftover campaign funds", and owns stock in the same corporatiosn he attacks.

Censored questions and topics:

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1. Was 9/11 an inside job, as confessed in Pentagon-CIA's Operation Northwoods?

2. Should Hussein Obama be forced to appear in federal court like any other citizen, and show his birth certificate like any other person? Should he be arrested and deported? Or should President Obama sign a Constitutional Amendment to allow foreigners to be president, like illegal alien gay porn star Arnold Schwarzenegger?

3. Should McCain be forced to release his Pentagon files for his $85,000/year Veterans disability, and explain his 32 radio broadcasts for Communist Vietnam, and blocking return of 50,000 US and UK POWs since WW2?




Vote for CHANGE agent Hussein Obama, whose daddy was a member of the Communist Party in British Kenya, whose jewish cousins are Bush and CHEney. Hussein Obama massacred 1,000 black Christian Kenyans when his radical Muslim candidate Odinga went on a rampage after losing the election for president ("prime minister" job was created just for him). Hussein Obama is guilty of raping black Christian men and women, and burned 50 Christians alive in church, in his own little Waco in Kenya.

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Obama's Jewish Polish advisor Zbigniew Brezinski founded AllCIAduh, hanging out with USAma Bin Laden in Pakistan



"I don't regret setting bombs. I feel we didn't do enough. Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's really at. Everything was absolutely ideal on the day I bombed the Pentagon.''
-Professor Bill Ayers, FBI/CIA employee and confessed bomber of NYPD HQ, US Capitol, NY Supreme Court, bombed and killed two female bombers in his house, busted CIA LSD mind-control agent Timothy Leary out of prison, confessed to 12 bombings but never prosecuted, author of Barack Hussien Obama Sotoro's authorized biography and grant recipient of Obama's Annenberg Foundation


Bill Ayers, Professor of Education, University of Illinois at Chicago


www.deliberatedumbingdown.com

Hussein Obama Soetoro's granny says Hussein was born in British Kenya, and his lawyers admitted that in federal court this week:
www.obamacrimes.com



My interview with Ralph Nader:
www.geocities.com/ralph_nader_interview/

As Nader's chaurffeur in the 1980s, in 2004 I handed him VHS tapes of Dark Secrets Inside Bohemian Grove, and 9/11 Road to Tyranny.
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-82095917705734983
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-6517776133137328105

Nader's Green Party candidacy was sabotaged by the $40-billion/year jewish/Italian Mafias that run the international garbage and toxic/nuke waste cartel, with world HQ here in Knoxville, home of the CEO of BFI/WM/Allied Waste, and its partner Controlled Demolition Inc at World Trade Center on 9/11. As webmaster for Nader in Knoxville TN, I was fired after 24 hours by Knoxville Green Party, for building a new website the last week before the election that posted Nader's speech in Knoxville. SABOTAGE!

My TV broadcast this week: RON PAUL CAMPAIGN SABOTAGE
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1203392877906943510&hl=en

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Thursday, October 23, 2008 5:04 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Balwin talks a good game, but it don't work out in practice - consider yourself smacked in the knuckles for not doin your homework on the US Constitution aka Taypayers party and their own misdeeds.

And I could tellya some horror stories about ole Comcast, believe it.

-F

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Thursday, October 23, 2008 5:16 PM

PIRATENEWS

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Details don't matter. Just vote 3rd party.

Maybe someday, before its too late, 3rd parties can win the White House TOGETHER as a voting block, then form a coalition govt.

Baldwin believes the scientific reports that global warming is sun-made, which is now making global cooling. Baldwin does support alternative energies that don't pollute, same as Nader.

The Carbon Dioxide Tax in McBama's $5-trillion Bankster Bailout Bill will pay those Carbon Taxes directly the to the international banksters, just like the income tax. Govt won't get a penny of that tax.

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Friday, October 24, 2008 1:06 AM

FREMDFIRMA


I wouldn't mind Baldwin so much as a side order to Ron Paul, but I would not want him in charge - I got too much personal experience with the rampant corruption and zealotry of his own party locally to think that's a good idea.

Nader, he could handle the job, not very well, mind you, but compared to Shrub a chimpanzee would be a damned improvement.

In general though, the third parties need to seriously up their game and quit worryin about offending the status quo and powers that be so much, start callin em out, namin names, laying the smack down...

We're not gonna bag it this time around, there's just too many people who might go for it that are so scared of four more years of hate, fear and misery that they're clinging to the false hope of a candidate that's in truth offered nothing but platitudes and a vaguely hopeful sounding theme.

Which means we get stuck with four more years of crap, sure - but are less likely to avoid getting suckered into WWIII cause of some partisan hacks ego, fear and stupidity, remember, like I said, Biden is NOT stupid, even if donkey-ears is.

And that means we got four years to get our shit together as far as third parties go, and we damn well better do it - and first things first, Barr has to GO, he's just GOP-lite with a thin coat of paint, and I half-suspect he's a damn plant to "pacify" the Libertarians a'la O'brien, which would explain a good bit of his otherwise nonsensical behavior lately.

Anyhow, if we can't get our shit together in four fuckin years, then other options must be considered.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Friday, October 24, 2008 6:55 AM

PIRATENEWS

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The voting blocks of govt employees, who must vote as they're told or be fired, is just too large to beat.

Socialism (ie fascism/communism) now employs over 50% of the population, so the numbers will never be there for a 3rd party, unless govt employees defect.

That won't happen until their govt CAFR and 401k pension funds get stolen. Which is now happening today. Over $7-trillion was stolen from Pentagon CAFR pensions since 2000, reported by McKinney. That's just civilian employees at the Pentagon building in DC, not at other military bases.



So it'll take a civil war revolution to get most govt employees to forget their weekly bribe.

Video from CSPAN debate:


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