Following Obama's lead here- Browncoats unite! by chrisisall

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Following Obama's lead here- Browncoats unite!

POSTED BY: CHRISISALL
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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 2:27 AM

AURaptor, Geezer, Kirkules, Whozit...anyone else I've shouted down, told to 'shut up', or made fun of in a mean & angry way...I'm ready to say sorry...not that I feel I was inherently wrong about most stuff, but because now is a time when we (I, at least) can drop the anger. I'm so happy with my fellow Americans...I'm proud of my country again. For the first time in my adult memory, I really have hope that we can be ONE nation. Sure, Obama won't (can't) fix everything, but he's a symbol of what we can do right, when we feel our way through.
Thanks also to Senator McCain, for a graceful congrats to the winner.

*threatens a group Browncoat hug*

Now let's all get to debating the best way to fix this great nation.

And no more Palin jokes.
Hmmm...maybe THAT'S askin' too much here....

The euphoric AMERICAN Chrisisall

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 3:27 AM

RIVERLOVE

It's a nice gesture on your part, but I believe it's not really feasible. All victors initially speak of unity and joining, but then it never happens. It's easy to be magnanimous and gracious when you win, not so easy when you lose. I already see much gloating about Obama's big victory. If you take a step back and look at how it played out, it was much closer than most predicted, and the swing states that all went to Obama might have easily gone to McCain under different circumstances and a little more campaign time. The un-popularity of Bush and the failing economy were huge hurdles for McCain to overcome. He failed, but he really should never have been able to make it competitive in the first place. I actually do feel somewhat happy for those that voted for him and believed in him for so long, but the fundamental reasons I could not support him are still there for me. It will be hardest for people of my generation to accept this swing to the Left in America. I will try however. I will say here that I will not post anything negative about Obama at least until he's had several months as President. That's all the "graciousness" I can muster up this morning. Enjoy your victory.

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 3:49 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

meh.... I was a loser here either way. I'm sure I'd be just as disappointed right now if it went the other way. Hope it's the change you've been looking for.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 3:59 AM

HERO

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
AURaptor, Geezer, Kirkules, Whozit...anyone else I've shouted down, told to 'shut up', or made fun of in a mean & angry way...I'm ready to say sorry...

In my life this is the fifth Presidential Election I've voted in. My candidate has lost three times. After the first loss I resolved to treat each election as a clean slate and judge each President by what they do in office and it has served me well (imagine what things would be like if we'd all been as willing to accept President Bush on June 20, 2001...or again in 2005...I think our place in history would be much the same, but our civility would have been so much better).

I did not vote for Barrack Obama. Come January 20, 2009 he will be my President. When he does what I think is right and just I will be his greatest defender. When I think he's wrong I will argue my case to the best of my ability.

I like Mr. Obama. He seems a fine man and good father. His greatest flaw is that he has no experiance and no record. Soon neither of those things will be true and we can judge him for what he is, not for what he isn't. I look foreward to witnessing the history he will make.

I would ask a little consideration for the outgoing President. In approximately 77 days President Bush will give up the power we have given him in the great American tradition of the peaceful transition of power started by John Adams giving up power to his political rival Thomas Jefferson. People have said the worst of President Bush. They have called him a murderous tyrant and compared him to Hitler without ever realizing that the sound of their own voices give lie to their words. They have accused him of the ugliest crimes. He is simply a man, as all Presidents are, given the greatest power and most terrible responsibility a free man can have. Like all Presidents he was faced with unexpected challenges and struggled to overcome them to the best of his ability. We should honor his service now that he can finally begin to lay down the burdons history placed upon him.

I remain a conservative. I believe in fiscal responsibility, low taxes, responsible government, strict constructionalism, and strong defense. I believe in the moral values that have defined this nation: faith, family, love of country, and respect for law. I will continue to speak the truth of my heart and argue my cause. It is a just cause and one I believe is worth fighting for.

God Bless America. God Bless President Obama.

H

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 4:15 AM

CORNCOBB

Nice one Chris. Spread the joy.
I, too, am elated that Obama won the election. I am not a US citizen, and i know some may say that means i'm not qualified or entitled to comment, but I strongly believe that Obama will put this nation back on track, and thus, the rest of the world also. I bashfully admit that I've fallen prey to anti-americanism in the past (not being a fan of Bush-style war war war) but this is a day for all Americans to be proud to be American.
What's surprising me is how much sympathy I feel towards the Republican camp right now, to the traditional right-wingers. It's been a long time since America saw a genuine left-wing approach, and it's going to be a heck of an adjustment for many people. I say to them, give Obama and his way a chance and i'm sure you'll be pleasantly surprised at how well things turn out
This is a momentous day. A black man in the White House. An intellectual in the White House. A liberal in the White House. A (comparative) pacifist in the White House. This is America making a positive statement and saying, 'we don't like what's been happening any more than the rest of the world, and we're determined to be the noble country that it's in our nature to be.
Hold your heads high, yanks. You've done the impossible, and that makes you mighty.

"Gorramit Mal... I've forgotten my line."

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 4:18 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by Riverlove:
The un-popularity of Bush and the failing economy were huge hurdles for McCain to overcome.

If McCain had been allowed to be himself (he was obviously told to go for the throat), and if he'd picked a seasoned running mate, it very easily could have gone his way, IMO.

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It will be hardest for people of my generation to accept this swing to the Left in America.

Fear not, I really believe it won't be as far a swing as you might think, Presidents tent to become more moderate once actually in office (and what do you mean 'my generation'? You ain't any older than me!).

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That's all the "graciousness" I can muster up this morning. Enjoy your victory.

That's more than enough for me, RL.
And it's ALL of our victory; you'll see.

The predictive Chrisisall

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 4:22 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:

I remain a conservative. I believe in fiscal responsibility, low taxes, responsible government, strict constructionalism, and strong defense. I believe in the moral values that have defined this nation: faith, family, love of country, and respect for law. I will continue to speak the truth of my heart and argue my cause. It is a just cause and one I believe is worth fighting for.

I have come to expect no less from you...except...you know, keep on with the funny.

Jessica Alba...burka...heh hehisall

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 4:23 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by Corncobb:

Hold your heads high, yanks. You've done the impossible, and that makes you mighty.

Truly fitting...

Lumpinthroatisall

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 4:31 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

I think this nation is beyond repair. I really do. The GOP had its chance, had every opportunity to do the right things, and failed. Worst of all, it failed those who put them there in the first place, so eager to " reach across the aisle " , Bush was, only to have the other side gnaw his arm off. And what did he do ? Nothing. Or damn near nothing. Showed no or little leadership on key issues, and completely ran away from the illegal immigration issue.

Cowards. ALL of them. The Left and the Right. Barney Frank is a prime example of how the Left is every bit as poisonous as the Right. Blocked every attempt to reign in Fanny and Freddie, and then boldly lied ( much like Clinton ) that he had any part in the debacle. Bullshit.

Jack Murtha called our own Marines cold blooded killers, before the investigation had even concluded, and then every one of them was cleared of any wrong doing. He calls his own constiuents RACIST, and the very same hay seeds in Pennsylvania still elect him back into the Senate.

This country is more doomed than doomed.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 4:36 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

This country is more doomed than doomed.

Don't be like that...I've always been Chicken Little-ing it here with fear of martial law- see how wrong I've been? It'll all work out- the pendulum will come to a rest in the middle, given enough time.

Consoling Chrisisall

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 4:37 AM

BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN

Don't forget me Chris. You've shouted me down too.

Do not fear me. Our's is a peaceful race and we must live in harmony.

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 4:47 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by bluesuncompanyman:
Don't forget me Chris. You've shouted me down too.

I was younger then...

isall

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 4:50 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Cowards. ALL of them.

Not so. There were a few, but their voices were either unheard of or laughed at.

I for one would have gladly supported a Paul, Kucinich ticket. No matter which one was running for president.

A Dem/Rep ticket that is neither really Dem or Rep by the current definition?

Now THAT is change I can believe in.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 4:50 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

This country is more doomed than doomed.

Don't be like that...I've always been Chicken Little-ing it here with fear of martial law- see how wrong I've been? It'll all work out- the pendulum will come to a rest in the middle, given enough time.

Consoling Chrisisall

The 'middle' is now Left of Centre. The landscape has changed. It needs to swing to the FAR FAR right to carry this country back towards the centre

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 4:54 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

A Dem/Rep ticket

*dreams a dream*

I'mwithyaisall

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 4:56 AM

RIGHTEOUS9

Purge the Infidels!!!

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 4:59 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

As it was said in Firefly...

"We are all just folks now."

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 5:39 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

Riverlove:
The un-popularity of Bush and the failing economy ...

ChrisIsAll:
If McCain had been allowed to be himself (he was obviously told to go for the throat), and if he'd picked a seasoned running mate, it very easily could have gone his way, IMO.

As I said before, I thought it was a contest between Bush and subtle and not-subtle racism. People were finding reasons to not connect with Obama. Despite Bush, it was a tight race until the mortgage industry collapsed.

If McCain had been in the driver's seat - if he'd been allowed to pick Lieberman, if he'd been allowed to run his campaign in the honorable way he gave his concession speech - he would have distinguished himself from them. He could have won.

But he was tied to the repubican party machine, caved to the religious right (no doubt a Rovian move), conceded his positions on a host of issues to the party line ...

And the race became Obama's to lose. Believe me, people were looking for a reason to turn on him.

The rest, as they say, is history.

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Silence is consent.

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 5:54 AM

CHRISISALL

I just found out why Sarah Palin never had the notes on what she was discussing during the debates- look at her intern, she can't even work the office equipment:
http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/vids/?action=v
iew¤t=cvUMHvLZ.flv

Chrisisall

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 6:49 AM

FREMDFIRMA

With all due respect, Chris, thanks, but no thanks...

Imma focus on making jugears understand who he works for, and dropping the boom on any attempt to exceed his Constitutional authority.

And I'd have really appreciated some help from the Conservative front, heaven knows I been practically beggin for it, and for weeks now with no response but apathy and hostility - seems most of them are too busy throwing petulant little temper tantrums, which is a damned shame, cause I coulda used a hand.

Worse than that, I fear that without some real gestures of bipartisanship, the impending investigations and housecleaning could very well turn into a witch hunt, an inquisition even, and while I would not feel a bit sorry given their behavior in the past six years, that's a bad bad road to be going down and it leads to ugly places.

And the current actions of much of the rightward end of the spectrum are only encouraging it by destroying any vestiges of sympathy the populace might have had for them via hostility and petulance.

If I weren't so concerned about it ACTUALLY going that way, I'd be mocking their fear and asking how they liked the taste of something every protester and leftward leaning person in america got force-fed at the hands of this administration with the help of the alphabet soup goons and a militarised police force - all the while pointing out they've got real army troops at hand now to help round em up more conveniently....

But the thing is, it COULD go that way, especially when some of this shit they've been sitting on and hiding comes to light as the press fawns over Obama trying to curry his favor so he doesn't kick them in the teeth via the FCC for their own misbehavior the last couple years.

And it sure as hell does NOT help matters that there are some organizers of folk, who want exactly that to happen, who will not be satisfied till they see people lynched for having GOP sympathies - that's a damned scary thought, isn't it ?

I don't care for those folk, and haven't been able to reason with em, but... even I have my limits, and without some evidence that the rightward end of the political spectrum isn't as completely foul as they believe (and to date, I've seen no evidence to the contrary, and all too much to support it)... then I am simply not going to stick my neck out by acting against them, assuredly not for folks I feel would stab me in the back the moment I turned to defend them, oh hell no.

Seriously, we *should* find it in ourselves to step up and prevent a witch hunt, but to be completely honest about it...

I can't, won't - call it a failure of character if you like, but I just cannot defend the indefensible.

-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 6:54 AM

CHRISISALL

You're just bein' Frem.

Don'tchange,manisall

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Wednesday, November 5, 2008 7:34 AM

BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN

I said this last week on a different thread: 2008 is 1976. History is repeating.

1. The country is/was angry at a previous administration they feel betrayed them (Nixon then, Bush now)

2. The people have made an EMOTIONAL choice to reject a good decient man who also happens to be a naval hero. This person is seen illogically as an extension of the previous evil administration when he is in fact, not. (Ford then, McCain now)

3. The nation has instead favored a new face in the form of a socialist who just 18 months previous the populace never even knew. (Carter then, Obama now)

4. As an extension of the country's referendum against the previous administration, more new left leaning congressmen/senators are elected as a functon of straight ticket voting and not split-ticket voting. Many voters simply fill in the bubble/punch out the hole for the democratic party. They do not consider each line item on the ballot and don't consider each race as a different event. (Cartermania then, Obamania now)

I predicted those things. Now they are fact. The remaining 2 items on my divination list need 4 years to crystalize. They are:

5. The new socialistic administration will be fully supported by the new left leaning congress. An anti-business climate will begin to form. As companies feel tax pressure they will look elsewhere for profits and leave the USA for greener fields. Investment, which is the grease in the cogs of the economy, will taper and slow. Slowly at first, but then faster, unemployment will rise. The people will begin to get angry. (1977-1981 then 2009-2013 now)

6. Four years after the general election, a new election will be held and an old face will appear on the opposition ticket. This person was first introduced to the public 4-years prior and now has the full attention of the people. This is the next president. (Reagan in 1980 , Palin in 2012) Roll your eyes at the thought of Palin. It's ok. In 1976 the same thing happened with "Reagan the Hollywood Actor".

As I watch these events unfold, all I can hear in my mind's ear is the repeating voice of the Cylon Hybrid at the end of Battlestar Galactica Razor:

"All of these things have happened before, and they will happen again. All of these things have happened before, and they will happen again. All of these...."

Do not fear me. Our's is a peaceful race and we must live in harmony.

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Thursday, November 6, 2008 7:55 AM

JWHEDONADDICT

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
AURaptor, Geezer, Kirkules, Whozit...anyone else I've shouted down, told to 'shut up', or made fun of in a mean & angry way...I'm ready to say sorry...not that I feel I was inherently wrong about most stuff, but because now is a time when we (I, at least) can drop the anger. I'm so happy with my fellow Americans...I'm proud of my country again. For the first time in my adult memory, I really have hope that we can be ONE nation. Sure, Obama won't (can't) fix everything, but he's a symbol of what we can do right, when we feel our way through.
Thanks also to Senator McCain, for a graceful congrats to the winner.

*threatens a group Browncoat hug*

Now let's all get to debating the best way to fix this great nation.

And no more Palin jokes.
Hmmm...maybe THAT'S askin' too much here....

The euphoric AMERICAN Chrisisall

I'm with you on this...if it means anything. I know I haven't been here lately. Sometimes I lurk though!

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"We have the best fans in the business [in the] Buffy and Whedon universe. It's gonna be pandemonium when this [news] hits." --Eliza Dushku on Dollhouse

"Joss is like a present, he's like a gift as far as I'm concerned."--Ron Glass

for Joss

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Friday, November 7, 2008 12:06 AM

OUT2THEBLACK

B-S-C-Man , you sure are right...

I saw that prior thread , where you said that , and got to thinkin'...

" Man's on to something...Been there...Seen it...Deja' vu..."

"All of these things have happened before, and they will happen again. All of these things have happened before,
and they will happen again. All of these...."

Can't shut this thing off...Just have to ride 'er in...

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Friday, November 7, 2008 4:35 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

That's what governments are for. To get in a man's way - Captain Mal Reynolds

You folks just remember what the good captain said, ok ?

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Friday, November 7, 2008 4:50 AM

RIVERLOVE

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
..... who will not be satisfied till they see people lynched for having GOP sympathies - that's a damned scary thought, isn't it ?

I don't care for those folk, and haven't been able to reason with em, but... even I have my limits, and without some evidence that the rightward end of the political spectrum isn't as completely foul as they believe (and to date, I've seen no evidence to the contrary, and all too much to support it)... then I am simply not going to stick my neck out by acting against them, assuredly not for folks I feel would stab me in the back the moment I turned to defend them, oh hell no.

I hoped Obama would rise above all that, as that was the central theme of his campaign. But with the announcements of Emmanuel & Podesta getting key positions in his Administration, it seems a likely future. The real sad part is that there are a lot of bad apples in his own party, and now I'm sure they're safe with these guys. Nothing changes!

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Friday, November 7, 2008 6:22 AM

FREMDFIRMA

He has, Riverlove, far as I'm aware of.

But there's a damned lot of folk who got stomped on by the GOPs administration or their plans, collectives of "little folk" who got kicked in the teeth one way or another, and they're severely pissed about it.

Thing is, you get that with ANY administration there ever was on this ball of muddy water, cause you just can't please everybody, sure...

And yes, I am well aware that some of these folk, too damn many of em, got legit gripes and damn good reason, but to be flat out honest I think we both know not all of em do, some folk don't need a reason to hate, and the combination of bein stepped on, and steeped IN fear and hate for the past six years, has left a lotta folks looking for a target to beat on in retaliation, you understand ?

And watching the GOP stumble and fall, there's gonna be a rush to put the boot in, not so much human nature, so much as a society that teaches THOSE kind of "values" no matter what it lip-services for forms sake.

Like Mal explained to Jayne in Jaynestown, it ain't about them, it's about what those folk need, what they need to believe in order to make it through the day - and some folk need an enemy, someone to blame for their misery, and the GOP painted a nice big bullseye on themselves and then tripped and fell, with just about inevitable results.

My concern is that boot party will escalate rather than tapering off, feed the ire instead of sating it, cause there's a damn lot of anger and pent up frustrations there from the way things have gone up till now.

Some folk like poke fun at Obama's hopeful message, but me, I say be thankful for it, cause one of the possible alternatives was to tap into that rage, that hate, and then we'd have no doubt had another night of long knives, wouldn't we ?

Folks talkin shit about Obama goons and stormtroopers have NO FREAKIN IDEA how bad it could really go for them, if that card had been played.

So I give props to the man for NOT playing it, in spite of the fact that I really don't care for him - he's already done ONE thing right that the past two administrations have not.

I'd not waste an opportunity to build rather than destroy - and if some folks won't let go of their hate, then just rise above them and let them sink into the mire of their own destructiveness.

Or, alternately, folks on the right wing could spit bile back, be petty and mean and threatening, inviting that very behavior against them and justifying it in the minds of those who would act on it, painting a bright red bullseye on themselves for the ire of a folk crushed under fear, loathing and misery so long that they just can't let it go.

SOMEONE has to let go, SOMEONE has to be an adult...

And for that, if naught else, I throw Obama a couple of props before he's even sworn in, cause he didn't fuck that up, and he could have.

-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Friday, November 7, 2008 6:28 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
That's what governments are for. To get in a man's way - Captain Mal Reynolds

You folks just remember what the good captain said, ok ?

Oh, but it hasn't been for getting in a man's way during the past administration, just the upcoming one, right?

I have no illusions; Malcolm Reynolds would have little use for me, he'd see me as dreamer- someone with unrealistic hopes for what government could do FOR it's peeps, but YOU...
He'd flat out view you as an Alliance toady, and you can't even see that. What do you think? If you could talk to Mal, you think he'd see you as some sort of independent? The way you spout off against freedom? The way you back up the neo-fascist curtailing of civil & international human rights? The way you rationalize every Republican-initiated military adventure?
Face it AU, you're a regular Hands Of Blue kinda guy. Until you wake up & smell what you shovel, the only person from the Firefly 'verse you could hold a lasting conversation with would be Jubal Early, and that would be mainly 'cause he likes to hear himself talk.

So please, don't quote Mal, that's like Castro quoting Kirk...

Chrisisall

EDIT: BTW, you have potential, you could be a passionate force for good, if you'd only drop the political prejudice.

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Friday, November 7, 2008 6:30 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Chris,

Firefly, at its heart was neither Lib or Conserve.

It was Libertarian.

Lets all try and remember that.

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Friday, November 7, 2008 6:36 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Chris,

Firefly, at its heart was neither Lib or Conserve.

It was Libertarian.

I agree. And Libertarians don't toss in with peeps on the edge- at best, they suffer them...politely.

Chrisisall

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Friday, November 7, 2008 8:17 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

SOMEONE has to let go, SOMEONE has to be an adult...

I know you are, but what am I?

isall

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Friday, November 7, 2008 8:35 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
That's what governments are for. To get in a man's way - Captain Mal Reynolds

You folks just remember what the good captain said, ok ?

Oh, but it hasn't been for getting in a man's way during the past administration, just the upcoming one, right?

I have no illusions; Malcolm Reynolds would have little use for me, he'd see me as dreamer- someone with unrealistic hopes for what government could do FOR it's peeps, but YOU...
He'd flat out view you as an Alliance toady, and you can't even see that. What do you think? If you could talk to Mal, you think he'd see you as some sort of independent?

Mal works for himself, I work for myself. We're eye to eye on that.

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The way you spout off against freedom?

Not once have i EVER done such. Quite the opposite, to be truthy
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The way you back up the neo-fascist curtailing of civil & international human rights?
Whole sale and complete rubbish. You've got zero evidence to back up that fanciful claim.
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The way you rationalize every Republican-initiated military adventure?
EVERY one ? All 2 of them ? WOW.... one, against the camps of those who attacked us on 9/11, and the other, against a nation hell bent on ignoring every UN sanction and even bribing UN officials to do it.

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Face it AU, you're a regular Hands Of Blue kinda guy. Until you wake up & smell what you shovel, the only person from the Firefly 'verse you could hold a lasting conversation with would be Jubal Early, and that would be mainly 'cause he likes to hear himself talk.

So please, don't quote Mal, that's like Castro quoting Kirk...

Chrisisall

And yet its funny, all your buddies on the Left seem to LOVE Castro. From Dan Rather, Jesse Jackson, Norman Mailer , Oliver Stone, Francis Ford Coppola, Stephen Speilberg.....Why is that ? Don't fret over it, i know you ain't got no answers anyways.

Naww...despite your ignorance, I'd be perfectly at home on ole Serenity.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Friday, November 7, 2008 8:55 AM

CHRISISALL

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And yet its funny, all your buddies on the Left seem to LOVE Castro. From Dan Rather, Jesse Jackson, Norman Mailer , Oliver Stone, Francis Ford Coppola, Stephen Speilberg.....Why is that ? Don't fret over it, i know you ain't got no answers anyways.

Castro's a dictator, and as they go, not so bad of a guy, but a dictator nonetheless. I believe we should let the country be- get rid of sanctions.
Thing is, I think Castro's political beliefs, like yours, are flawed, which is why I make the comparison.

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Naww...despite your ignorance, I'd be perfectly at home on ole Serenity.

As long as no one else was on board.
Although, I could see Inara takin' pity on you, and talkin' to you a bit...Jayne might like that ya like to see bad guys killed...Simon would be cordial, as would Kaylee (though they'd be doin' the silent screwball sign to each other when ya weren't lookin'), River would think you were crazy, Mal & Wash would tolerate you as long as you was paying...

BOOK! Shepard Book would take the time to hear your woes! But as you started to repeat your rightwingnut self over & over, he'd be thinkin' how fuzzy the good book was on kneecaps, I'd wager.

Chrisisall

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Friday, November 7, 2008 9:24 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Your lack of knowledge about Cuba and Castro is disturbing , yet not surprising. A great deal about Cuba has been white washed by the left wing media. But now's not the time for history lesson.

I'm sure most folks on Serenity would think me just fine. Kaylee would think I'm handsome, but clearly not in Simon's class. Jayne'd likely want to lift weights w/ me, Inara would appreciate the manners I show her, being raised proper and all

Being more Mal like on the issue of religion, Book might steer clear on such issues, but I'd like to think we'd be on good terms otherwise. I'd be fascinated w/ Zoe and her life, her history, and her time in the military. Could learn a few tricks from her, if she'd oblige, that is. Cap might not see much in me, other than another useful set of hands, ready to do some heavy liftin', if need be. I'd likely be the focus of some of Wash's jokes, but I'd not get mad. We'd know it was just in good fun. You see, I'd be the only one on the ship who could talk dinosaurs w/ Wash, so we'd be cool.

Oh, and River ? She might very well kill me w/ her brain.

Other than that, I'd be right fine w/ the crew.

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Friday, November 7, 2008 9:35 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Fremmie, I'm HOPING that Obama will see his way clear to using Republicans in his administration, and that it will be seen as a truly bipartisan reaching out to HEAL the damned government, instead of keeping right on driving those wedges between us.

Watching Condie Rice speak about his election, I just had chills. It was like I was hearing her actual voice, her true feelings, for the first time ever. She couldn't stop smiling, her voice had lost all of its high-pitched uncertainty. It's usually a half-octave higher, and very shaky, and every "statement" ends on a rising note, making it more a question than an answer. When she spoke of Obama's victory, it was almost as if she just wanted to shout out, "Yeah, bitches - I voted for the muthafucka, and I'm damn glad I did it, too!"

There's much talk of keeping Robert Gates on as SecDef, bringing Colin Powell in as Education Secretary (bit of a shock, but I'm intrigued by the logic).

There's absolutely a huge portion of people who want some payback right now. We've had the shit kicked out of us for 8 years, and it's only natural to want to kick back. But the REAL test of a statesman will be whether he can forgive and move forward. If he can, the nation will come out far the stronger for it.

Mike

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Friday, November 7, 2008 9:38 AM

STORYMARK

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Whole sale and complete rubbish. You've got zero evidence to back up that fanciful claim. ]

Yeah.... aside from everything you've ever posted.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, November 7, 2008 9:58 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

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Whole sale and complete rubbish. You've got zero evidence to back up that fanciful claim. ]

Yeah.... aside from everything you've ever posted.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

Then clearly you are at an definition disadvantage.

Sorry.

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Friday, November 7, 2008 12:11 PM

BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN

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Chris,

Firefly, at its heart was neither Lib or Conserve.

It was Libertarian.

Lets all try and remember that.

I'm glad someone just said that. Thank you.

I said the exact same thing to a friend when I awoke from a dream with a vision of an awsome fan flick. I had just watched the series John Adams and was quite taken with the opening sequence. Refer to this youtube clip for reference:

As I awoke that morning I could clearly see in my minds eye banners of the independents. Imagine to yourself: how would you feel at 1:05 in the clip if you suddenly beheld the green and black flag of the independent movement? How about if the words "Don't tread on me"at 1:22 became "Fight alliance aggression"? Perhaps you see a super-imposed map of the serenity valley sold at DragonCon at 1:37?

In my dream the title "John Adams" was replaced with "Independents".

Do not fear me. Our's is a peaceful race and we must live in harmony.

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