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Secretary of State: Misteress of Evil

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Friday, November 14, 2008 12:11 PM

WHOZIT


http://www.nypost.com/seven/11142008/news/politics/secretary_hill_1386
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Please God let this happen, I need 4 years of FUNNY!

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Friday, November 14, 2008 9:06 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


A few thoughts on the current political landscape...

It should be noted that Obama will be meeting Monday with John McCain as well. Speculation is that he'll be offering his rival a cabinet position (I'd guess SecDef when Gates retires in about a year (according to rumor), or a Veterans Affairs position - at any rate, it just about HAS to be a Cabinet-level position to be interesting enough to lure McCain away from the Senate).

As much as the left and right vilify each other's "extreme" positions on the issues, the truth is that the left and the right in this country really aren't very far apart on most things. Some say Obama's victory is a "mandate", pointing out his more-than-two-to-one Electoral College victory - but in fact, the popular vote is still damned close to 50/50. And to govern a country where almost half the people think you're wrong at any given time, you have to either (a) piss off about half the people most of the time, as Bush has done very well, or (b) find a way to work down the middle on the majority of issues. As such, bringing a "team of rivals" into the Cabinet makes a good deal of sense.

And, as they say, keep your friends close, and your enemies closer... Which is why there's a push by Obama to keep Lieberman around and try to make him somewhat happy (without giving away the store, that is).

I'd actually like to see McCain in a position to work WITH the White House. I'd like to see Condi Rice stay, too - she's a Russia expert, and we may damned well need one again, sooner rather than later. She's a smart woman, and she has much to offer - but what would her position be?

Colin Powell's name has been mentioned as a possibility for Secretary of Education (!), which I find intriguing, to say the least. It's crazy, but it might just be crazy enough to work. Maybe we NEED a general to whip our education system into shape; nothing else we've tried seems to really be working.

Who else would you like to see working in a bipartisan Administration? How else can we actually make our government work FOR us, rather than against us?

Any thoughts?

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Saturday, November 15, 2008 3:09 AM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
A few thoughts on the current political landscape...

It should be noted that Obama will be meeting Monday with John McCain as well. Speculation is that he'll be offering his rival a cabinet position (I'd guess SecDef when Gates retires in about a year (according to rumor), or a Veterans Affairs position - at any rate, it just about HAS to be a Cabinet-level position to be interesting enough to lure McCain away from the Senate).

As much as the left and right vilify each other's "extreme" positions on the issues, the truth is that the left and the right in this country really aren't very far apart on most things. Some say Obama's victory is a "mandate", pointing out his more-than-two-to-one Electoral College victory - but in fact, the popular vote is still damned close to 50/50. And to govern a country where almost half the people think you're wrong at any given time, you have to either (a) piss off about half the people most of the time, as Bush has done very well, or (b) find a way to work down the middle on the majority of issues. As such, bringing a "team of rivals" into the Cabinet makes a good deal of sense.

And, as they say, keep your friends close, and your enemies closer... Which is why there's a push by Obama to keep Lieberman around and try to make him somewhat happy (without giving away the store, that is).

I'd actually like to see McCain in a position to work WITH the White House. I'd like to see Condi Rice stay, too - she's a Russia expert, and we may damned well need one again, sooner rather than later. She's a smart woman, and she has much to offer - but what would her position be?

Colin Powell's name has been mentioned as a possibility for Secretary of Education (!), which I find intriguing, to say the least. It's crazy, but it might just be crazy enough to work. Maybe we NEED a general to whip our education system into shape; nothing else we've tried seems to really be working.

Who else would you like to see working in a bipartisan Administration? How else can we actually make our government work FOR us, rather than against us?

Any thoughts?

So far all of Barry's picks (and possible picks) have been white Washington insiders, where's the "CHANGE" dude?

I'm going to microwave a bagel and have sex with it - Peter Griffin

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Saturday, November 15, 2008 5:22 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

So far all of Barry's picks (and possible picks) have been white Washington insiders, where's the "CHANGE" dude?



As far as "Barry" is concerned, it's a lose/lose proposition when it comes to people like you. Hire someone experienced, and it's "where's the change?"; hire an "outsider" and it's "they're not experienced!".

"Change" is probably going to come slowly if at all, and you have to have effective people in place to implement it. And just think, if he only pushes for "change" five or ten percent of the time, he'll be labeled a "maverick".

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Saturday, November 15, 2008 6:26 AM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

So far all of Barry's picks (and possible picks) have been white Washington insiders, where's the "CHANGE" dude?



As far as "Barry" is concerned, it's a lose/lose proposition when it comes to people like you. Hire someone experienced, and it's "where's the change?"; hire an "outsider" and it's "they're not experienced!".

"Change" is probably going to come slowly if at all, and you have to have effective people in place to implement it. And just think, if he only pushes for "change" five or ten percent of the time, he'll be labeled a "maverick".

He could chose some people from industry or academia, instead he's bringing back Clinton's old gang, and maybe a Clinton too.(Hillary) Notice no one in the press has pointed out this little fact, I'm still waitting for Rev. Jesse or Rev. Al to start bitching....or will they?

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Saturday, November 15, 2008 6:54 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


"He could chose some people from industry or academia, instead he's bringing back Clinton's old gang"

Hello,

I believe 'Clinton's old gang' would include some people with diplomas from academia who have experience in industry. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm not sure what you expected to occur, Whozit. Did you expect Obama to appoint a Distinguished Professor of Education to his staff? Perhaps one from the University of Illinois?

I can certainly see him doing worse than appointing Mrs. Clinton as Secretary of State, given that she is probably familiar with most foreign leaders and may have spoken to them on numerous occasions at various diplomatic functions.

Are there any specific areas of concern in his appointments?

For my own part, the one thing I've heard that troubles me is the potential disqualifier on his staff's employment questionaire: Do you own a gun?

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Saturday, November 15, 2008 6:59 AM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
"He could chose some people from industry or academia, instead he's bringing back Clinton's old gang"

Hello,

I believe 'Clinton's old gang' would include some people with diplomas from academia who have experience in industry. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm not sure what you expected to occur, Whozit. Did you expect Obama to appoint a Distinguished Professor of Education to his staff? Perhaps one from the University of Illinois?

I can certainly see him doing worse than appointing Mrs. Clinton as Secretary of State, given that she is probably familiar with most foreign leaders and may have spoken to them on numerous occasions at various diplomatic functions.

Are there any specific areas of concern in his appointments?

For my own part, the one thing I've heard that troubles me is the potential disqualifier on his staff's employment questionaire: Do you own a gun?

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

He's bringing back RETREADS! Where's the change?

I'm going to microwave a bagel and have sex with it - Peter Griffin

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Saturday, November 15, 2008 7:11 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

I expect change (if it comes) to come in the form of policies. I expect him to make the use of the most experienced people available to make that change. This means, of course, that dudes who have been around for a while will be in charge of dismantling their own machine.

I don't know if change will actually occur. If it does occur, I don't know if the change will be positive. It's too soon to know. But I'm not prepared to start belittling or criticizing the President Elect before he ever sits down to implement a policy.

--Anthony


"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Saturday, November 15, 2008 4:50 PM

GINOBIFFARONI


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

I expect change (if it comes) to come in the form of policies. I expect him to make the use of the most experienced people available to make that change. This means, of course, that dudes who have been around for a while will be in charge of dismantling their own machine.

I don't know if change will actually occur. If it does occur, I don't know if the change will be positive. It's too soon to know. But I'm not prepared to start belittling or criticizing the President Elect before he ever sits down to implement a policy.

--Anthony


"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner



The problem ( the way I see it anyway ) is if you want to change... say your failed Foreign policy, why bring in the same people who, which and without their own agendas driving it, created the failed policy you are trying to change...


Condi Rice, Maddy Alright keep them retired

New ideas reguire new voices



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Saturday, November 15, 2008 5:54 PM

MALBADINLATIN


If I read any words from any Rupert Murdoch publication my eyes and fingertips burst into flame.

Trolls against McCain

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Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:51 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by MalBadInLatin:
If I read any words from any Rupert Murdoch publication my eyes and fingertips burst into flame.



How about the BBC?

Quote:

Is Obama recreating the Clinton era?

...All in all, 31 of the 47 transition or staff posts that Mr Obama has filled so far have gone to people with ties to the Clinton administration, Politico has reported.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/us_elections_2008/7730485.stm

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Sunday, November 16, 2008 5:23 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:


I expect change (if it comes) to come in the form of policies. I expect him to make the use of the most experienced people available to make that change. This means, of course, that dudes who have been around for a while will be in charge of dismantling their own machine.

I don't know if change will actually occur. If it does occur, I don't know if the change will be positive. It's too soon to know. But I'm not prepared to start belittling or criticizing the President Elect before he ever sits down to implement a policy.



Just so. You can change the TONE of the government, how it goes about doing the things you've set as your agenda, and still use experienced people to carry it out. As President, YOU decide how you're going to go about it (within constitutional bounds, of course), and then direct others to do it.

Do you think that GWB put the government on a markedly different path than his father, or Reagan before him? He used an awful lot of those same insiders, so why didn't he run things exactly the same way?

I've no doubt that President Obama is going to make some mistakes - even the guy the right calls "The Messiah" isn't perfect. But let's at least give him a chance to make them before we start piling on.

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Sunday, November 16, 2008 5:27 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

..All in all, 31 of the 47 transition or staff posts that Mr Obama has filled so far have gone to people with ties to the Clinton administration, Politico has reported.


I find that statement to be a little bit misleading; if I worked for the government in any capacity between 1992 and 2000, wouldn't I technically have "ties to the Clinton administration"?

Just sayin'.

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Sunday, November 16, 2008 7:47 AM

SIMONWHO


Yeah, that pesky Clinton administration with its stupid budget surplus and strong economic recovery from the recession.

Can't see how that sort of experience would be useful.

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Sunday, November 16, 2008 8:23 AM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by SimonWho:
Yeah, that pesky Clinton administration with its stupid budget surplus and strong economic recovery from the recession.

Can't see how that sort of experience would be useful.

You can also thank the Republican House & Senate, they kept Billy in check. Now we're going to spend mega bucks to keep the banks and union companys from going under, UAW gave alot to Barry and the Dems.

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Sunday, November 16, 2008 9:27 AM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

I believe the current mega-bucks bailout is a product of the Bush administration.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Sunday, November 16, 2008 9:27 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
You can also thank the Republican House & Senate, they kept Billy in check. Now we're going to spend mega bucks to keep the banks and union companys from going under, UAW gave alot to Barry and the Dems.

I'm going to microwave a bagel and have sex with it - Peter Griffin



Didn't those same Republican House & Senate also pass all those pesky laws that are now being used to blame the current economic fiasco on Clinton?

And don't the upper-echelon execs typically give an awful lot of money to the Republicans? As such, isn't the CURRENT president more likely to give the auto makers a shit-ton of money on his way out the door? I mean, he's already given away $700 billion or so of your hard-earned dollars - why aren't you pissed at HIM?

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Sunday, November 16, 2008 10:58 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Meh..

Kissinger Says Clinton Would Be Outstanding at State
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a0gQaB1Fcsxg&refer
=home


That's enough right there for me to not like THAT idea - I might mock Slick Willie for being almost that slimy, but for all that I am concerned, Kissinger IS the Mouth of Sauron.

Anything he thinks is a good idea should be automatically suspect.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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