Let's hear it for all the peeps that want to see America destroyed! by chrisisall

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
but she no worse then the rest of the Bush haters. None of whom have any credibility in this board.

Y'know, I was gonna say I missed you bein' around on the other sci-fi movie thread, but you started it off with political shit, so I held off.

And now this.

You are doing EXACTLY what I don't like NeoCons for doing- forcefully positing the idea that your perception is so correct, so free of flaws, and so much the gospel (in the face of facts that contradict it, yet) that you can somehow not feel stupid making a statement like that. You severely disappoint me, Finn, you've degenerated into that which you profess to hate, a hater. And the very fact that you START a sci-fi movie thread with that shit is so telling of your anti-left obsession...I don't remember the last time one of my threads about movies started like; "The new Indy movie must be making Bushites happy 'cause Ford pronounced nuclear 'nuc-u-ler' in the debriefing scene!"
Also, having fun using various forms of the word 'masturbate' in EVERY thread?

If you've come back just to display your resentful God-complex as it applies to your political unhappiness even before Obama takes office, why don't you just continue your sabbatical until you're back closer to center, and in a better mood, eh? This maniacal right-wing shit sounds so childish, and not something I ever would have expected from you in times past.

If this is just temporary, cool. I can't say there weren't times I went off MY rocker with pure emotion & nothing else to back up my angry words...

The atypically serious Chrisisall

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Sunday, November 23, 2008 10:54 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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The Left has been going totally apeshit over Bush ever since his name was announced as a Republican candidate back in 1999.

Can you cite specific examples?

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Let's party like its 1929.

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Sunday, November 23, 2008 10:58 AM

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Originally posted by Riverlove:
Little left to hate, and little to love about Obama's picks for his Administration.

Speak for yourself, Fascism-boy.

I hate the legacy Obama has to contend with as of Jan. 20, I love that Obama is talking like we can make this country great again, we need optimism at this juncture.

Feel free to hate this country for the next four years though, it's not like I can stop ya.
Me? I love my country good Presidents or bad.

RL, you're such a biped...

The optimistic Chrisisall

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Sunday, November 23, 2008 11:04 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
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The Left has been going totally apeshit over Bush ever since his name was announced as a Republican candidate back in 1999.
Can you cite specific examples?

Signy, you do excel in demanding the impossible

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The smirking Chrisisall

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Sunday, November 23, 2008 11:11 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I DISAGREE with his politics and know they're bad for this country , ESPECIALLYN NOW!

Especiallyn?

Dope: [noun] AURaptor; an ignorant or foolish person
Synonyms: dumbbell, dummy, boob, booby, pinhead

The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, November 23, 2008 11:23 AM

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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
I hereby declare ChrisIsAll "Ad HominemistInChief"!

Why, thank you FMF...I am truly honoured!

As Ad HominemistInChief, I will endeavour to apply accurate, if somewhat comical, attacks on personal considerations rather than to logic or reason in the quantity to which I have become famous for, and swear that no grandiose bellicosity shall long escape my attention!

The accepting Chrisisall

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Sunday, November 23, 2008 11:25 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
If you've come back just to display your resentful God-complex as it applies to your political unhappiness even before Obama takes office, why don't you just continue your sabbatical until you're back closer to center, and in a better mood, eh? This maniacal right-wing shit sounds so childish, and not something I ever would have expected from you in times past.

If this is just temporary, cool. I can't say there weren't times I went off MY rocker with pure emotion & nothing else to back up my angry words...

So you want me to leave because you don’t agree with me? The appropriate response to that would be “Fuck you,” that’s beneath me.

You conveniently ignore the fact that I’ve already stated that I support Obama as our president. I’ll disagree with him, just as I disagreed with Bush sometimes. But I won’t accuse him of being a sociopath or a terrorist because I disagree with his policies. I won’t call him stupid and idiotic, and wish for a US failure to justify that disagreement, which is more then I can say for you and all your twit friends. So attack me all you want, but you made your own bed, and if you’re not man enough to see that, then that’s your own lack of intellectual honesty.

And you know, after bearing for 8 years the fanatical hatred of Left-wing Bush hating twits, I think I’ve earned the right to tell you off. And the truth is that it won’t be long before I’ll be trying to reason with and criticize the statements of Obama-haters, and when that happens I don’t want you to mistake that with me coming over to your bush-hating twit side. You lost your chance, but maybe I can reason with the Obama-haters. Maybe in four years when the next president comes in I won’t have to tell them off, and that will be the ultimate victory over the Bush hating twits.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Sunday, November 23, 2008 11:49 AM

MALBADINLATIN

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Originally posted by AURaptor: Sorry Mal, but your delusions , of what those of us who didn't vote for Obama, don't determine our views toward him, even a little bit.

Well...fair enough...then who do you download them from? They're all exactly the same so they must come from Karl, Rush, Hannity?

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Originally posted by AURaptor:You posting " 0 for 1 " doesn't make it so, especially in light of how you fail to even TRY to elaborate and defend your position. If anyone struck out on 3 straight pitches, it's you.

I struck out? shit!!
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Originally posted by AURaptor: You're a hypocrite for saying you want Bush in Jail, and then turn around and vilify anyone who isn't an Obamamaniac.
No. I demonize non Obamaniacs for either counsciously or subconciously wishing failure on America. I joke about wanting Bush in jail for lying and stoopidity. I'm sure they could have always found somebody better as replacement, like Tim Pawlenty, or Bobby Jindhal, or...just about anybody.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:and your mischaracterization of why we don't like Obama can't be expressed in terms of how bad his policies are, but instead you have to cling to the " RACE " card, w/ the reference to " James Earl Ray Republicans ". Either we love and obey blindly the new Presidenrt, or we want to murder him. That's how you see the world, huh?
I'm able to diagnose the problem with our communication. It may in fact NOT be because you don't recognize the difference between correct and incorrect....YOU don't know when I'm joking! This is just like that thread the other day where we figured out that anti Obama people don't have senses of humor. At least not about politics.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:Sorry missy, but if Obama lives to be 112, I'd still want him to serve 1 term in office, not because he's black, but because I DISAGREE with his politics and know they're bad for this country , ESPECIALLYN NOW!
Rush tells you guys that but it's like this. You hate Obama because he's black. You hate abortions because you hate sexualy active women. You hate gay marriage because you hate homosexuals. You hate taxes because you hate poor people. You love wars because you hate non Christians. You love conquering and dominating other countries.

You and people like you couldn't care less about Obama's policies. You have your Atwater and Rove to thank for your opinion, they gave it to you.

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Sunday, November 23, 2008 11:52 AM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
So you want me to leave because you don’t agree with me?

No, I want you to take more of a break, if you need it, so that we can have your best self posting here.

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You conveniently ignore the fact that I’ve already stated that I support Obama as our president.

That has nothing to do with calling bs on your erroneous & obviously emotion-filled charges that Signy, myself and others WANT to see America fail under Bush...sure we had our shots at told-you-sos, but NEVER did we state that 'when Bush sinks our country, boy will we be happy to tell you so'.

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I won’t accuse him of being a sociopath or a terrorist because I disagree with his policies.

I would hope you would accuse him of being a sociopath or a terrorist if he started BEING one, though

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I won’t call him stupid and idiotic

True, Bush did have the corner on those traits, at least until Sarah Palin came along *smirks*

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and wish for a US failure to justify that disagreement, which is more then I can say for you and all your twit friends.

wish for...??whoops Finn, welcome to Fantasy Island.

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So attack me all you want, but you made your own bed, and if you’re not man enough to see that, then that’s your own lack of intellectual honesty.

I see when I make my own bed...but...that's not what you mean, obviously...

I do sometimes possess a lack of intellectual honesty, that's public record, but I er, honestly don't see that here. I'm open to the possibility though, but I'll need examples, if you feel like it.

Bottom line, saying there will be bad consequences to an action or policy is WAAAAY different than making a non-specific blanket statement that "He's gonna f**k up, and I can't wait to tell ya I was right!!!"

The specific Chrisisall

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Sunday, November 23, 2008 11:55 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Bottom line, saying there will be bad consequences to an action or policy is WAAAAY different than making a non-specific blanket statement that "He's gonna f**k up, and I can't wait to tell ya I was right!!!"

Which is what you and the Bush hating twit team have doing since before Bush took office.

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Sunday, November 23, 2008 11:58 AM

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Originally posted by MalBadInLatin:
You hate Obama because he's black. You hate abortions because you hate sexualy active women. You hate gay marriage because you hate homosexuals. You hate taxes because you hate poor people. You love wars because you hate non Christians.

It may be simplistic Psych 101, but Occam's Razor would say it's also pretty spot on, I would guess.

The simple Chrisisall

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Sunday, November 23, 2008 12:01 PM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Which is what you and the Bush hating twit team have doing since before Bush took office.

If you could show me a quote that would go a long way towards humbling me on this matter....

The memory-challenged Chrisisall

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Sunday, November 23, 2008 12:03 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Like I said, now the mask comes off, and you folk are seeing the TRUE face of these people, that party, and what they're made of.

Something I occasionally provoked them to do even when they were all so interested in trying to hide it.

This is what they ARE, people, what they've always BEEN, and it is indeed why I am so blatantly nasty to them.

Never fucking forget it - the next time you see some right-winger playing nice, trying to worm into the good graces of the american people while stealthily reaching for the levers of power, remember what's under that mask.

Unless by some miracle they come up with another Eisenhower, the hard-right end of the political spectrum is completely doomed, and frankly, I've known it since I started making "blood in the water" comments long before the election, now you folk are just seeing the last panicked flailing as they reveal the truth of themselves.

This is Shaun Yu, holding them over the volcano, and now we get to see what they're REALLY made of.

And it ain't pretty, is it ?

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Sunday, November 23, 2008 12:16 PM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Frem,

Yeah, but the ulta-Libs aint any better.

Both suck.

And you know it.

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Sunday, November 23, 2008 12:20 PM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

This is Shaun Yu, holding them over the volcano, and now we get to see what they're REALLY made of.

And it ain't pretty, is it ?

It is somewhat unsettling. But in panic, we tend to run to what we know. For me it's mistrust of authority & use of kung-fu....for others it's apparently defend status quo & attack socialism...

The understanding Chrisisall

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Sunday, November 23, 2008 12:24 PM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Frem,

Yeah, but the ulta-Libs aint any better.

Both suck.

And you know it.

Extremes either way suck for sure, it's just what passes for left in this country has been so skewed...Obama is a moderate CENTERIST by world standards, but the media & rightwingnuts of this fine land have seriously un-leveled the playing field.

I adjust for the parallax.

The place-in-the-middle Chrisisall

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Sunday, November 23, 2008 12:28 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
If you could show me a quote that would go a long way towards humbling me on this matter....

No it won’t. I’ve done it before. All you do is agree temporarily, but then you go back to the twitism as soon as you can. Bush is leaving office. You had your chance to demonstrate some degree of intellectual fairness, and you chose, like most Bush haters, fanaticism instead. I’m done. I’m finished with Bush haters, I couldn’t get through to you, so I’m simply resigning the Bush haters to twitery and moving on.

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Sunday, November 23, 2008 12:50 PM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
No it won’t. I’ve done it before. All you do is agree temporarily, but then you go back to the twitism as soon as you can.

It's my default setting (edit: a left-lean), I admit that, can you admit the same from the other direction (a right-lean)?

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Bush is leaving office. You had your chance to demonstrate some degree of intellectual fairness, and you chose, like most Bush haters, fanaticism instead.

So, no comment on why YOU felt it necessary to drag politics into an SF film thread, eh? Intellectual honesty my ass, Finn. You are just as human as the rest of us, and totally unwilling to admit it. And it's reassuring to know that you CAN'T come up with a quote from ME concerning glee & broad predictions of a failing United States. I've regularly stated that I'd hoped I was wrong, and in one case I was SOOO happy to be so (My prediction of martial law before Bush was out), nowhere did I spout seeming happiness at something Bush and/or Cheney screwed up for our country.

Finn, you have no case

The AU-like Chrisisall

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Sunday, November 23, 2008 12:54 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Finn, you have no case

I have 8 years of case. I’m just done. You’re too late.

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Sunday, November 23, 2008 1:08 PM

MALBADINLATIN

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Originally posted by chrisisall: It may be simplistic Psych 101, but Occam's Razor would say it's also pretty spot on, I would guess.

I know way too many Conservatives, and after a few shots or beers you hear it the real way. There are just varying degrees of denial when they're sober. What we've got with Pubbys here, is the holy-er-than-thou denial when they're arguing Politics.

Trolls against McCain

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Sunday, November 23, 2008 1:21 PM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I have 8 years of case. I’m just done. You’re too late.

I usually want out of a game when I'm losing too.

I ask the hard stuff, makes ya question yourself, moves you out of your comfort zone, you can't navigate your way safely through, you bolt. I understand. I've had to swallow hard in times past and say someone else was right and I was wrong- it's incredibly difficult, only my Shaolin thang lets me come to a place where I can OCCASIONALLY admit that I've been a dumass on some issue or other...

Oh well, take it easy Finn.

The humble (yeah, right) Chrisisall

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Sunday, November 23, 2008 1:31 PM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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By definition, anyone in Gov't who wants to " spread the wealth " is a socialist. Governments aren't the source of any real wealth, they simply take from the citizens. When there's talk of spreading the wealth, it's the taking from the rich to give to those who'd likely vote for the party in power.

So you agree that Bush and company are socialists, then. After all, they've taken money from the citizens to give to Wall Street - how is taking from the poor to give to the rich any LESS socialistic than doing it the other way 'round? Either way, you're "spreading the wealth". Thing is, for eight years and more, it's been being spread upwards, and you haven't had a bad word to say about it.

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Sunday, November 23, 2008 1:32 PM

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Originally posted by MalBadInLatin:
There are just varying degrees of denial when they're sober.

Yeah, when the beer flows my Liberal friends get rather somber & introspective regarding politics- none of the "We really kicked their ass!" stuff, more like "How do we fix this mess?" stuff. Pubs seem to like the Football thing when drinking, lots of cuss words & liberal-bashing, I conjure. Progressive types want to move on from here, non-progressive types seem to want to get endless payback.

That's how I see it, anyway.

The possibly prejudiced Chrisisall

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Sunday, November 23, 2008 1:36 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
I usually want out of a game when I'm losing too.
I ask the hard stuff, makes ya question yourself, moves you out of your comfort zone, you can't navigate your way safely through, you bolt. I understand. I've had to swallow hard in times past and say someone else was right and I was wrong- it's incredibly difficult, only my Shaolin thang lets me come to a place where I can OCCASIONALLY admit that I've been a dumass on some issue or other...

I actually used to respect that about you, but then it occurred to me that you don’t. You just put on a show to slip out the back door, and in the end it never sinks through. You admit you’re wrong, but as soon as you think someone is not looking you’re back to the same crazy rhetoric. Instead of lying to me, I’d rather you just be honest with me, and just tell me that you’re going to be a nutcase whether anyone else likes it not. Would have saved me a lot time. You notice that I very rarely argue with Frem, because he’s honest about his fanaticism. He’ll tell you right up front that he’s a nutcase and he’s happy with it. He might not use those words, but that’s basically what it amounts to.

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Sunday, November 23, 2008 1:41 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Thing is, for eight years and more, it's been being spread upwards, and you haven't had a bad word to say about it.

That's because AU is one of the poor peeps that wants the dream of becoming rich kept alive- he's a good soldier in a capitalist war...should he ever be truly destitute I conjure his tune might change.

The analyzing Chrisisall

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Sunday, November 23, 2008 1:56 PM

Finn, you claim you never claimed Obama was a terrorist - yet in this very thread, you've gone back to the old "pals around with terrorists" twittery. So in your view, can one "pal around" with a terrorist without actually becoming one?

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Sunday, November 23, 2008 1:58 PM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I actually used to respect that about you, but then it occurred to me that you don’t. You just put on a show to slip out the back door, and in the end it never sinks through. You admit you’re wrong, but as soon as you think someone is not looking you’re back to the same crazy rhetoric.

Go ahead & write me off then, but I'll tell ya, ONE of us is a LOT more intellectually dishonest with themselves than they THINK

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Instead of lying to me, I’d rather you just be honest with me

Okay, I honestly think Frem is closer to being consistently objective about most current issues than you are, how's that?

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He’ll tell you right up front that he’s a nutcase and he’s happy with it. He might not use those words, but that’s basically what it amounts to.

I'll tell ya up front that I'm inconsistent; one minute I can be very sympathetic to right wing (Not NeoCon) ideology, and next minute I can turn around and trash it, yes, I'm fickle that way, but with it come flexibility- I'm not chained to an opinion, and yes, that has it's drawbacks as well as strengths.
But like Superman, I never lie. Well, at least not knowingly. Plus, lying takes too much thinking, the truth is easier.

Finn, I fear you over-think things sometimes.

The Kryptonian Chrisisall

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Sunday, November 23, 2008 2:01 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Thing is, for eight years and more, it's been being spread upwards, and you haven't had a bad word to say about it.
That's because AU is one of the poor peeps that wants the dream of becoming rich kept alive- he's a good soldier in a capitalist war...should he ever be truly destitute I conjure his tune might change.

The analyzing Chrisisall

But it's still a form of socialism, if your entire definition of socialism is that it takes money from you and gives it to others based on their perceived "need".

What 'Rappy and his type don't get is that we already HAVE socialism in this country. OUR money goes for police, fire fighters, hospitals, the military, the national parks, public education, and more.

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Sunday, November 23, 2008 2:08 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Finn, you claim you never claimed Obama was a terrorist - yet in this very thread, you've gone back to the old "pals around with terrorists" twittery. So in your view, can one "pal around" with a terrorist without actually becoming one?

Somehow, I don't think he's in the mood to explain stuff at the moment; he's already dodged a couple of my questions, and they weren't even hard ones.

The resigned Chrisisall

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Sunday, November 23, 2008 2:21 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Finn, you claim you never claimed Obama was a terrorist - yet in this very thread, you've gone back to the old "pals around with terrorists" twittery. So in your view, can one "pal around" with a terrorist without actually becoming one?

I didn’t use the phrase “pal around.” That’s your phrase, not mine. But yes, one can associate with a terrorist without being one. I would think that would be obvious.

I’ve never accused Obama of being a terrorist, but that he has connections with at least one domestic terrorist is without question. So that’s all a part of the hypocrisy and dishonesty of the Bush haters that drives me nuts. Some of you accuse Bush of being a terrorist with no justification other then disagreement with US foreign policy, then you get defensive when someone suggests that we should be more skeptical of Obama who actually has real connectiond with a real terrorist. I don’t make that statement based on any agreement or disagreement with any policy of Obama’s or the US – it is simply a fact.

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Sunday, November 23, 2008 2:26 PM

SWISH

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Originally posted by MalBadInLatin:
I know way too many Conservatives, and after a few shots or beers you hear it the real way. There are just varying degrees of denial when they're sober. What we've got with Pubbys here, is the holy-er-than-thou denial when they're arguing Politics.

Reminds me of the reporter on the neocon cruise, which someone posted on a thread a while back. I forget who, but it was fascinating. Let me google it...

http://www.alternet.org/story/57001/

Relevant highlight:

They rush through the Rush-list of liberals who hate America, who want her to fail, and I ask them - why are liberals like this? What's their motivation? They stutter to a halt and there is a long, puzzled silence. "It's a good question," one of them, Martha, says finally. I have asked them to peer into the minds of cartoons and they are suddenly, reluctantly confronted with the hollowness of their creation. "There have always been intellectuals who want to tell people how to live," Martha adds, to an almost visible sense of relief. That's it - the intellectuals! They are not like us. Dave changes the subject, to wash away this moment of cognitive dissonance. "The liberals don't believe in the constitution. They don't believe in what the founders wanted - a strong executive," he announces, to nods. A Filipino waiter offers him a top-up of his wine, and he mock-whispers to me, "They all look the same! Can you tell them apart?"

I would have thought that the idea of Conservatives hating America, wanting her to fail, was a similarly shallow myth. Until whozit did his thing. It's really quite sad.

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Sunday, November 23, 2008 2:48 PM

SWISH

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Some of you accuse Bush of being a terrorist with no justification other then disagreement with US foreign policy, then you get defensive when someone suggests that we should be more skeptical of Obama who actually has real connectiond with a real terrorist. I don’t make that statement based on any agreement or disagreement with any policy of Obama’s or the US – it is simply a fact.

I don't call Bush a terrorist, just a war criminal.

Semantics aside, the difference between Bush and Obama would be that Bush has a history of extremely questionable actions. You know, actions. Things he actually DID. Started an unnecessary war. Condoned torture. Spied on American citizens. Gave away no bid contracts to his pals. Oh, and destroyed our economy with his dumb-ass economic policies. He has done things which invite criticism, whether you accept the invitation or not.

Obama merely visited a house once years ago, on business completely unrelated to killing people, and the fact that you cling to this little bitty event only shows the depth of your desperation.

Really, it's pretty close to pathetic.

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Sunday, November 23, 2008 2:48 PM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
that’s all a part of the hypocrisy and dishonesty of the Bush haters that drives me nuts. Some of you accuse Bush of being a terrorist with no justification other then disagreement with US foreign policy, then you get defensive when someone suggests that we should be more skeptical of Obama who actually has real connectiond with a real terrorist.

Obama had connections with someone who broke the law & destroyed property; Bush IS a person who, through his directions, blew up people, justifiably or not. If you care to use sloppy phraseology to classify Ayres a terrorist, then you must reasonably also classify Bush the in same way. This is the duplicitous status-quo apologist establishment thinking that drives ME nuts, if ya wanna know.

*rant mode*

LUKE SKYWALKER IS A TERRORIST!!!

THERE WAS NEVER ANY LEGAL ACTION EVER TAKEN AGAINST THE EMPEROR, THAT PROVES HIS ACTIONS CONCERNING THE REBELLION WERE ALL ABOVE BOARD!

YODA WAS AN ENEMY COMBATANT, AND AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT!

VADER NEVER HAD HAN SOLO TORTURED, IT WAS SIMPLY MODIFIED TASER THERAPY!

The RANTING Chrisisall

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Sunday, November 23, 2008 2:54 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Obama had connections with someone who broke the law & destroyed property; Bush IS a person who, through his directions, blew up people, justifiably or not. If you care to use sloppy phraseology to classify Ayres a terrorist, then you must reasonably also classify Bush the in same way. This is the duplicitous status-quo apologist establishment thinking that drives ME nuts, if ya wanna know.

So now we’re whitewashing terrorism, eh? Oh and by the way, Obama is the status quo, Mr. Apologistisall.

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Sunday, November 23, 2008 3:04 PM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
So now we’re whitewashing terrorism, eh?

Yeah, it started with the euphemism "Collateral Damage" don't ya know.

And Obama represents the existing condition or state of affairs? Please Finn, you'll bust a blood vessel trying so hard to be obtuse...

The purple & clairvoyant Chrisisall

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Sunday, November 23, 2008 3:10 PM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
So now we’re whitewashing terrorism, eh?
Yeah, it started with the euphemism "Collateral Damage" don't ya know.

And Obama represents the existing condition or state of affairs? Please Finn, you'll bust a blood vessel trying so hard to be obtuse...

I see, so apologizing for the President is only defending the status quo if its Bush, because Lord, thy God, Obama is too righteous. And a man who bombs a city to impose political change is only a terrorist if he's not associated with Obama. That’s actually the single worst apology for the status quo I’ve ever heard. Even the narrowest minded Bush advocate couldn’t come up with something that blind in support of an administration.

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Sunday, November 23, 2008 4:08 PM

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now we’re whitewashing terrorism, eh?

Well, certainly YOU are whitewashing it. As Chris pointed out, Bush has actually given the order to bomb people, to kill them, to torture them - so he's not "palling around" with terrorists, he's actually using terroristic tactics. And you, like Nixon, seem to be just fine with it; if the president does it, it CAN'T be illegal.

Twit.

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Sunday, November 23, 2008 4:11 PM

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Even the narrowest minded Bush advocate couldn’t come up with something that blind in support of an administration.

"Bush never lied."

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Sunday, November 23, 2008 6:48 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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now we’re whitewashing terrorism, eh?

Well, certainly YOU are whitewashing it. As Chris pointed out, Bush has actually given the order to bomb people, to kill them, to torture them - so he's not "palling around" with terrorists, he's actually using terroristic tactics. And you, like Nixon, seem to be just fine with it; if the president does it, it CAN'T be illegal.

Collateral damage is not a terrorist tactic, nice try. Actually, it’s not a nice try, that was sarcasm. It’s actually pretty stupid. But of course, if you plan on defining that, then Obama is a terrorist too, since he’s the one responsible for the collateral damage now.

Ah, now it’s time for the hypocrisy – let’s hear all about how the rules you define apply only to Bush. All the rules change when your guy is in office, don't they? That's the twitism.

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Sunday, November 23, 2008 7:01 PM

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...then Obama is a terrorist too, since he’s the one responsible for the collateral damage now.

Actually, he's not. Not for another two months, anyway. As much as you'd like Bush to be able to slink out of town, we're stuck with him 'til January 20th.

I did hear that the Secret Service caught a man trying to climb the fence at the White House. They captured him, though, and told him, "Come back inside, Mister President... you've still got two more months."

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Sunday, November 23, 2008 7:05 PM

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Oh that was funny!

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

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Sunday, November 23, 2008 7:36 PM

ROCKETJOCK

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Frem,

Yeah, but the ulta-Libs aint any better.

Both suck.

And you know it.

Yeah, but the "ulta(sic)-Libs" have never been in power in this country--unless you count the founding fathers and their wild, freakish idea of government by mob rule. (Or as we call it today, participatory democracy.)

But for the last eight years (arguably the last twenty-eight)the right-wing has been in control. (Even the swing to the democrats two years ago barely slowed them down, as they used the power of filibuster to block any attempt to dampen their perceived "mandate".)

What's the result of that social experiment? A two-front war that has made our enemies stronger, (A result which, Goddamm it, could have been avoided if we hadn't split our forces to attack a country that had Jack Shit to do with 9/11!), an economy in smoking ruins, and a total abdication of the moral high-ground.

(That last is the worst part to me. Never mind that torture is morally wrong, it's inefficient! Intelligence obtained under duress is always undependable. If you're going to be evil, at least be effectively evil. I don't think Obama's the second coming, but maybe he'll get the stupid people out of intelligence.)

"Sometimes a direction is a destination. For some of us, that's enough." -- Scott McCloud

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Sunday, November 23, 2008 9:13 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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... a man who bombs a city to impose political change is only a terrorist if he's not associated with Obama.

No, a man who bombs a city to effect political change is a terrorist whether he does it with a jacket-bomb full of nails, a pipe bomb, or an A-4 Skyhawk. The only difference is choice of weapons.

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Let's party like its 1929.

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Monday, November 24, 2008 1:00 AM

FREMDFIRMA

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Yeah, but the ulta-Libs aint any better.

Bar brawl rules, Wulfie.
I got one of em down on the floor in front of me and the other too busy to engage me.

Putting the boot in is a given, and failure to finish the job is a mistake.
The other side's time will come, they'll stick their neck out for my axe sooner or later, but the job at hand comes first.

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You notice that I very rarely argue with Frem, because he’s honest about his fanaticism. He’ll tell you right up front that he’s a nutcase and he’s happy with it. He might not use those words, but that’s basically what it amounts to.

Oh gee, and it has nothing to do with the fact that I regularly blow your pathetic little rightwingnut flim-flam faery tales to bits and then verbally sodomise you with your own ridiculous and pedantic arguments now, does it ?

Look, Finn...

You and your ilk *HAD* your chance to forment a reasoned, effective, logical opposition to Obama and his policies, but you squandered it, blew it away in favor of acting like spoiled little four year olds throwing a tantrum cause their playtime ran out, well boo fuckin hoo, not only am I not sorry for you, I am in fact pissed at you cause your own immature stupidity has poisoned the well of ANY opposition, and I'm not thanking you for pissing in MY pool you dumb ignorant jackass.

This act, more than any other, shattered any remaining credibility you might have had around here, which very frankly, isn't that damned much due to your repeated base lies and attempts to shovel the most laughable propaganda as fact even in spite of folks like me having, and sharing, absolute proof that those statements were false.

The scum you supported isn't gonna come to your rescue, having no use for the fools stupid enough to have supported their pending disaster in the first place, and the folks telling you all along these disasters were coming have even less sympathy for you - and the pathetic flailing and lashing out of you and your ilk has lead prettymuch the entirety of RWED to actually *enjoy* baiting you like one baits a cat with a string of yarn, just to watch you foam and fuss cause your own actions and those of the folk like you have reduced you to outright laughingstocks, a mere joke no one even pretends to take seriously any more.

I fear your only remaining redemption is seppuku, all the worse since it's none too likely you'll even find someone willing to offer YOU the mercy of the final headcut, perhaps you could ask Rappy.

Oh, and Rocketjock ?

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That last is the worst part to me. Never mind that torture is morally wrong, it's inefficient! Intelligence obtained under duress is always undependable. If you're going to be evil, at least be effectively evil. I don't think Obama's the second coming, but maybe he'll get the stupid people out of intelligence.

AMEN, if we were gonna play at being evil pricks, we coulda manipulated the UN into doing most if not all of the work for us, and parleyed on sympathy and rep to climb into a leadership position and manipulate it to enforce OUR will, getting what we wanted and having them damn near happy to give it to us!

But egos got more important than results, and were we anyone else, we'd have been kicked OUT of the UN by now, certainly we've blown any chance to subvert it by manipulating it's own corruption into a strongarm of US policy.

And torture is the worst possible means indeed, cause it poisons your database with crap that takes time and resources to investigate, and if you skip THAT step, then you wind up torturing one asshole after another who doesn't know a damn thing and just names some guy HE doesn't like till you're torturing a shitload of nobodies, who know nothing, drowning your database in crap and pissing off just about EVERYONE...

And getting no fucking where.

And yet, look out MUCH they got out of Ramzi Youssef in a by-the-book nonphysical interrogation, which if they had not IGNORED in favor of harrassing politically inconvenient citizens, more or less fucking over thier supposed protectees - what happened on 9-11 might not have occured.

They know about Bojinka, he TOLD them about it, and no one followed up cause they were too busy harrassing vegans and peace protesters.

Seriously, they just left that shit sitting in a box for a couple years, I am NOT kidding, wish I was - and since have sent ole Ramzi down for a waterboarding, and the quality of info they were getting out of him dropped like a rock immediately after, which means there's no longer any use attempting to firm up other stuff he gave us before that and making him ultimately useless as a source to predict what others might do in the future.

Way to go, incompetent alphabet goons - who IMHO are a worse threat than all the foreign terrorists in the world put together.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Monday, November 24, 2008 1:04 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I DISAGREE with his politics and know they're bad for this country , ESPECIALLYN NOW!

Especiallyn?

Dope: [noun] AURaptor; an ignorant or foolish person
Synonyms: dumbbell, dummy, boob, booby, pinhead

The laughing Chrisisall

A typo , and that allows you to sulk away and dodge having to reply w/ any level of intelligence or maturity ?

That figures. Typical liberal. Anything to avoid having to deal w/ heavy thought.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Monday, November 24, 2008 1:22 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Mal,

My views aren't downloaded, they are my own.

I'm not gullible enough to fall for cheesy one liners Obama has dished out, nor do I agree w/ his political views , that the Gov't needs to 'spread the wealth', when I know damn well that's code for " steal from those who earn to give to those who don't ".
Are you saying you'd wish Pawlenty or Jindal would have been President instead of Bush? Don't know enough about Pawlenty, but Jindal will have to wait his turn. Seems he wasn't OLD enough to run for President in 2000.

You got 1 thing right, it's hard to tell when a Liberal is joking, what with all the absurdity flying around from the Left. Michael Moore, Cindy Sheehan, and the like, I use to laugh at the crackpot things they were saying to, until I learned they weren't kidding.

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You hate Obama because he's black. You hate abortions because you hate sexualy active women. You hate gay marriage because you hate homosexuals. You hate taxes because you hate poor people. You love wars because you hate non Christians. You love conquering and dominating other countries.

First of all, don't HATE Obama. I just would prefer he weren't my President. Skin color is irrelevant. But that you think his color is an issue, don't tell that to the NAACP, who all but called him a cracker, because he shares no slave blood and wasn't " down with the struggle " , until he won the White House. Now they're cool w/ him. Further - I hate abortions because it kills humans. ( At least 1/2 of those are women, and you speak of women's rights? - Odd that you'd murder so many , for this concept of 'freedom ) I don't hate gays, sorry, that's just more of your simplistic mind being overwhelmed - again. You can't separate an issue on its merit , so you act like a 5 yr old and say " I just hate blah blah blah " . Sorry, you're wrong. I hate poor people because I hate taxes ? I don't think you thought that one out too much. But I do hate excessive taxes and bloated, intrusive Government. True. Freeing mankind from oppressive Governments is a noble cause. You'd prefer millions stay enslaved to a dictator, I happen to see things differently. Not being a Christian, I find your remarks funny.
I'd wish other countries would give their people as much freedom as we all have, here. I gots no reason to control them.

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Monday, November 24, 2008 5:17 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Anything to avoid having to deal w/ heavy thought.

Sorry, it's just that you're blatantly ignorable at this point. Good for jokes only.
No offense.

The succinct Chrisisall

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Monday, November 24, 2008 5:28 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
"Maybe I'm not as smart as you, but atleast I'm not a lying snob like Barry. I look forward to his fall, and then I will dance

But I can't wait for them to fuck up.

When Barry drops the ball, I'll be rite here, to drink your tears...yum I can taste them now"

-Courtesy of the poster boy for The Fans of the American Downfall, our very own WhoZIT.

As much as I criticized the current administration, I never WANTED for them to do something that would hurt this nation just so I could do a told-you-so, I think the attitude that eagerly desires Obama to fail miserably is patently un-American at best, and near traitorous at worst. I have been told that I hate my country because I've disagreed with war & torture policies...so what is it when you actively want to see your country crash & burn, huh? Patriotism?

I call for peeps who said they want to see our country fail to apologize, but more importantly, I want Whozit to take that stupid bagel comment off his sig!!!

The ing Chrisisall

And there it is.....

The very essense of the new majority and their desire to take the baton from the former majority so we can all be good little puppys and stay completely divided while our Masters roam as they please.

Though I do totally understand where this is coming from, this isn't helping any of us at all Chris....

Justbeingrealisall,
~6

To clarify Chris, this is the part I'm refering to here:

As much as I criticized the current administration, I never WANTED for them to do something that would hurt this nation just so I could do a told-you-so, I think the attitude that eagerly desires Obama to fail miserably is patently un-American at best, and near traitorous at worst. I have been told that I hate my country because I've disagreed with war & torture policies...so what is it when you actively want to see your country crash & burn, huh? Patriotism?

As far as Whozit not talking about fucking warm bagels, I'm in total agreement.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

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