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Originally posted by whozit: AND THEN I WILL LAUGH AT YOUR PAIN, AND DRINK YOUR TEARS!!

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Originally posted by MalBadInLatin:

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Originally posted by whozit: AND THEN I WILL LAUGH AT YOUR PAIN, AND DRINK YOUR TEARS!!

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Drink my tears? What the heck is that supposed to mean. You should have used "eat you children". Drink your tears sounds like some Mexican soap opera.

At any rate, my thoughts:

There is no gloom and doom that Bush didn't cause till Obama is President.

Democrats from the Clinton administration are not bad, remember how good the Clinton economy was?

The Democratic party is not split.

Obama doesn't hate Reid and Pelosi.

Pelosi doesn't hate Reid, or Obama

Bill Clinton is not a liability, unless he let's the cats out of the bags.

There are dissapointed anti war Democratic voters like me that are concerned about Obama's shift to the center on the war

The war is not enough for Democrats to be split like evangelical and fiscal Republicans are.

Every Democrat I know is enthusiastic about Obama in spite of attempts by the right to claim dissention where none exists.

The RNC has instructed Fox, and Conservative media, and Republicans to complain about everything, and if they have nothing, make something up until 2012.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
That's okay, 'Zit - go ahead and laugh all you want. We're sure as hell laughing at YOUR pain, so I s'pose it's only fair you want to laugh at ours. 'Course, it might help if we actually had any pain for you to laugh at, but from where I sit, things are looking pretty shiny. We've got the White House, the House, and the Senate, the Republicans are running scared and begging to be included in ANYTHING... so where's all our pain?

Sure, the economy is in the shitter, but that's all down to Bush - unless you accept that it's either the Clinton policies, which took over 7 years to have an effect, or it's the Obama policies, which have had an effect months before the guy is even sworn in.

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TIME has him on the cover as FDR, no joke, go to the store and see for your self.

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Originally posted by whozit:
As for the FOX and the "Conservative" media, who will complain about Barry when he screws up, MSNBC, CNN, Bill Maher, Jon Stewart, the latenight hosts? Nope, Barry can get drunk, barf in the rose garden, flip off the press and they'll still kiss his ass! I look forward to drinking your tears and washing them down with a glass of Gentleman Jack.

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Originally posted by MalBadInLatin:

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Originally posted by whozit:
As for the FOX and the "Conservative" media, who will complain about Barry when he screws up, MSNBC, CNN, Bill Maher, Jon Stewart, the latenight hosts? Nope, Barry can get drunk, barf in the rose garden, flip off the press and they'll still kiss his ass! I look forward to drinking your tears and washing them down with a glass of Gentleman Jack.

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You must not watch them because Jon Stewart and Bill Maher still tease Clinton. Just so you know, Maher and Stewart have never claimed journalistic accuracy. They're like SNL, and Jack Benny. If Fox get's thier reptillian claws ahold of a negative Obama story. They'll spread it without relent until they all let out a satanic exhausted sigh before smoking a ciggarette. And it will be lies half the time, and exagerations the rest of the time.

But after Obama is in...the Conservative media is only Fox and Rush. If we Liberals ignore them like I suggest, the redneck bigoted evangelicals will be stifled. No more of thier needless death in wars, bigotry, and anti "elitism"(education)

And you're gonna wash my tears down with Jack Daniels!? Why am I not suprised. You'll not be washing my tears down. I don't have tear ducts.

Oh yeah!? Why don't Republicans do comedy? That stupid unfunny show Red Eye on Fox, and then that 1/2 comedy hour that failed on Fox sucked worse. They had to put on laugh tracks becuase you Republicans are as funny as dirt.

SNL, Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert, Bill Maher...all hysterically funny with years long follwings and emmy awards.

Why aren't Republicans funny...ever!

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Originally posted by whozit:
Jon Stewart once called Bush a retard

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Originally posted by whozit: Ignore is the word in your essay that jumped out at me, you and others "ignored" Barry's lack of experiance, slimey friends, and now lack of CHANGE. Jon Stewart once called Bush a retard, do you think Barry is going to get as much heat? As for funny Republicans, there are plenty, Dennis Miller, Laura Ingram, Rush Limbaugh and others who ar'nt afraid to be "Black Balled" in Hollywood. They're going to be in demand in the next 4 years.

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Originally posted by MalBadInLatin:

Only an absolute moron would think Ayers's existance would affect Obama's approach to leading the country.

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Originally posted by MalBadInLatin:

Only an absolute moron would think Ayers's existance would affect Obama's approach to leading the country.

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Mal...*trying hard not to laugh*
you do have a way with words... I trust you're not lookin' at anyone in particular when you say this...


The laughing out loud Chrisisall

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Oh you know just who brings out the verbose in me Chris.

On a related note...I was really crushed the other day...once because my friend told me Sarah Silverman has a boyfriend, or girlfriend, either way....and the second time...did you know...that after Obama takes office on January 20th...Conservatives still get to talk?? That's right! mouth usage, jawin' n' whitlin', talking! at us!!! There should be a rule whereby loosers who belong to a deadly toxic demonstrably corrosive political party shouldn't be talking to a positive guy like me.

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Originally posted by MalBadInLatin:
did you know...that after Obama takes office on January 20th...Conservatives still get to talk??

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
I guess we got to take the BAD with the good, eh?


The bee-boppin' Chrisisall

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Originally posted by MalBadInLatin:

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Originally posted by whozit: Ignore is the word in your essay that jumped out at me, you and others "ignored" Barry's lack of experiance, slimey friends, and now lack of CHANGE. Jon Stewart once called Bush a retard, do you think Barry is going to get as much heat? As for funny Republicans, there are plenty, Dennis Miller, Laura Ingram, Rush Limbaugh and others who ar'nt afraid to be "Black Balled" in Hollywood. They're going to be in demand in the next 4 years.

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I would never ignore you Whoz...but I would enthusiastically ignore Fox, Rush, Laura, and the hysterical rantings of that traitor to the Democratic party and severe alchoholic Dennis Miller. Hollywood isn't a cable news network and they can blackball anybody they want...you're not in favor of the Fairness Doctrine are you? If not they can deal with or deal out anyone they don't like. Conservatives are so easy not to like.

If Jon Stewart calls Bush a retard, is that a bad thing?? Because I called him much worse yesterday...and today ain't over. And he deserves all of it because he's President right now and everything sucks, he was supposed to be the doorman and not let "suck" in. Republican pundits are getting lambasted even on Hannity for accusing Obama of ruining the country and causing the financial crisis when he's not the President.

I didn't vote for Obama's experience. I voted for him because he was smarter than McCain and Palin combined. I trust his intellect to make sound logical decisions. Not decisions based on the tyranny of evangelical dogma. McCain totaly sucked up to Bible thumpers. The dumbest Democrat is smarter than the smartest Evangelical any day, anywhere.

Only an absolute moron would think Ayers's existance would affect Obama's approach to leading the country. My garbage man snorted coke in front of my house, and I caught him...should I have denounced him and sold my house because I would have a continued connection with him? Republicans were begging for traction with that one, and because they didn't get it...they just whined louder. Boo hoo cry babys.

Whozit? Doesn't the fact that they got nothing! on Barack Obama...and that the only thing they could get was on people he knew...mean anything to you?

Every bit of ignoring of the Bible thumpers is neccessary for human survival. How many times between 2002-2006 did Bush ignore Democrats anyway?

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Originally posted by whozit:
I do'nt give a rats ass how smart Barry is, he's briniging back the Clinton years, it was 8 years of scandal! He yelled CHANGE for 2 years, so were's the change?

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So here's my challenge to the Whozit and AUraptor types: if in a few years America is chugging along decently, recovering from this horror that Bush put us through, with a steady economy, civil rights restored, the constitution once again honored, our youth not dying for oil company profits, etc, are you going to man up and admit that the BS you're going on about right now is completely and absolutely wrong?

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

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So here's my challenge to the Whozit and AUraptor types: if in a few years America is chugging along decently, recovering from this horror that Bush put us through, with a steady economy, civil rights restored, the constitution once again honored, our youth not dying for oil company profits, etc, are you going to man up and admit that the BS you're going on about right now is completely and absolutely wrong?

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Hell no.

They'll either hide under a rock with the rest of their brownshirted breathren until society has forgotten their crimes, or throw an endless tantrum since reality doesn't match the idealised world inside their little plastic bubble.

Just like they always do.

Me, I just wanna stomp on the rock they're hiding under, putting paid to a cycle that's haunted us for a hundred and more years and done damage uncounted to our whole society.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Originally posted by whozit: The trouble with you big brains is you put IQ head of common sence. I do'nt give a rats ass how smart Barry is, he's briniging back the Clinton years, it was 8 years of scandal! He yelled CHANGE for 2 years, so were's the change? You big brains will bring up how great the Clinton years were, BUT WERE'S THE CHANGE! You've got your Democrat Whitehouse, House and Senate, WERE"S THE CHANGE! Now you guy's are in favor of corperate bailout, WERE"S THE CHANGE! Your tears will nurish me, yum I can taste them now.

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Originally posted by MalBadInLatin:

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Originally posted by whozit: The trouble with you big brains is you put IQ head of common sence. I do'nt give a rats ass how smart Barry is, he's briniging back the Clinton years, it was 8 years of scandal! He yelled CHANGE for 2 years, so were's the change? You big brains will bring up how great the Clinton years were, BUT WERE'S THE CHANGE! You've got your Democrat Whitehouse, House and Senate, WERE"S THE CHANGE! Now you guy's are in favor of corperate bailout, WERE"S THE CHANGE! Your tears will nurish me, yum I can taste them now.

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That is so funny...I don't do rhetorical LOL's, if I whip that weenie out it's for real. And I say LOLROFLMAO because!...you ain't gonna get nourished if you drink my tears. You're gonna notice an uneasy butterfly feeling first. Then visual halucinations, and soon after you'll realize that you're high as a kite from the Orange Sunshine, Purple microdot, four way window pane, and 50 lbs or so of magic mushroom residue radiating from the mothership, AKA my liver.

What is all this big brains stuff, I have a 2 year education that took me 3 years to get from 2 different community colleges. Then 1 year in mainland China. Don't you put that "elitist" jacket on me.

Do you actualy think that the detrement value of Clinton's one proven scandal, a blow job, is a detrement to Obama's cabinet because they were near Clinton when Monica was a huffin' and a puffin'? You Conservatives are not hesitant to convict anyone guilty "by proximity" to a blow job recipient, are you? Who frickken cares. Oh yeah, pent up evangelicals, Republicans, and hypocrits.

The only ones who threatened to throw everyone out was Republicans because everything sucks right now and it's thier fault. Democrats can vote with thier leaders 90% of the time because they're right. Republicans always apply thier faults, problems, and shortcommings to Democrats. Then declare Democrats wrong if they don't act like Republicans, who currently have everything screwed up. That's play #1 in Rove's playbook. Takes a long time to unwind it.

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Originally posted by whozit: I give up. You Democrats rule now. NOW I DEMAND YOU FIX EVERYTHING! If you do'nt, it's YOUR FAULT! Now all the worlds problems are on your shoulders, FIX THEM! DO'NT BITCH, FIX THEM NOW! You wanted to be in charge, now fix it!

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Originally posted by whozit:
The trouble with you big brains is you put IQ head of common sence.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
but I've got 4 or 8 years to make up my mind on that. And then another 4 or 8 to make up my mind on that.....

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Show me an Obama who undoes the Patriot Act and the Real ID card and I'll show you a guy who puts his foot in his mouth.

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Originally posted by swish:

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Originally posted by whozit:
The trouble with you big brains is you put IQ head of common sence.

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Well - and here's the thing that might give whozit a wittle bitty headache if he thinks about it too long - some of us base our common sense on such IQ related things as, say... logic. Reason. Facts. Oh, and the ability to spell.

Still waiting on your input on my thought experiment, whozit. I know it's a stretch for someone who celebrates ignorance as you do, but give it a try: If the US is going strong 2 years from now, will you be able to admit that you're wrong? Will you be able to get over your biases and support Obama if he proves himself to be good for the country?

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Originally posted by whozit:
If Barry does a great job, then all my bitching will fall on deaf ears.

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does w Rite now Barry is getting a free pass, the comics wo'nt touch him, some are afraid, some support him. The press are his lap dogs, Sarah Palin got the vetting he should have gotten, a ZOGBY poll proved most Obama voters knew more about Palin then they did Barry.

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Your IQ is way higher than mine and you can spell better, but common sence tells me when Barry falls, he'll fall hard. His whores in the press can only do so much for him when his training wheels come off.

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Originally posted by swish:

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Originally posted by whozit:
If Barry does a great job, then all my bitching will fall on deaf ears.

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The question is: if the country does well under "Barry", will you, for the love of God, STOP BITCHING? And think twice about inventing things to bitch about in the future?

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does w Rite now Barry is getting a free pass, the comics wo'nt touch him, some are afraid, some support him. The press are his lap dogs, Sarah Palin got the vetting he should have gotten, a ZOGBY poll proved most Obama voters knew more about Palin then they did Barry.

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Have you followed up on that poll, and seen how obviously it was the same dishonest right-wing bullshit that lost McCain the election? As it's been said: the poll got stupid answers because it asked stupid questions. Zogby himself has stated that the poll was "not his finest hour", and has refused to do a follow-up, no matter who - lefty or righty - writes it.

As for Palin, she got nailed by the press because she's a doorknob. Just like you and AUraptor continually get nailed on these threads - because your arguments are pathetic. That's the price for hanging your ignorance and lack of open mind out for everyone to see, as Palin learned. Or should have learned. Try to be less of a tool and people won't treat you like one. Obama wasn't treated like an idiot because he makes an effort to not be one.

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Your IQ is way higher than mine and you can spell better, but common sence tells me when Barry falls, he'll fall hard. His whores in the press can only do so much for him when his training wheels come off.

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OK, it's clear how much I value your version of common sense (It's spelled s-e-n-s-e), but again I ask: will your brain open up at all if Obama proves you wrong? See, it's that making an effort not to be a fool thing. You too can try it - it's not about IQ, it's about giving a shit.

Yes, I'm having an aggravating day on many levels and I'm venting on you poor folks here. I may have to apologize later...

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Originally posted by whozit:
If Barry proves me wrong I will drop to me knees and kiss your LEFT butt check,

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if he fails.........we all will be in trouble.

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but I've got 4 or 8 years to make up my mind on that. And then another 4 or 8 to make up my mind on that.....

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Show me an Obama who undoes the Patriot Act and the Real ID card and I'll show you a guy who puts his foot in his mouth.

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And yet more confused...

Certainly, if Obama did these two things, I'd be !

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
He won't undo them, I can all but guaranty that.

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He won't undo them, I can all but guaranty that.

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Sadly, I tend to agree. I hope I'm wrong, but I think we have firmly entered the Age of Paranoid Near-Police State, and it's not going to go away soon.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
What we oughta do is run the bastards to ground, root em out and throw em in prison,

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He won't undo them, I can all but guaranty that.

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Sadly, I tend to agree. I hope I'm wrong, but I think we have firmly entered the Age of Paranoid Near-Police State, and it's not going to go away soon.

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Yes, and it was brought to you by George W. Bush.

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Yeah, I think things slowly trend toward sanity......

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Yeah, I think things slowly trend toward sanity......

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good post Swish...

It's called Progress.... something that has been lacking for eight years...

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Quick fact.... none of these things will go away in 2009. Obama's administration will have free reign over all of them, and more I would imagine by 2012.

No..... Bush didn't start the fire, though he did everything he could do in his power to feed it.

Show me an Obama who puts a stop to it and you'll all have my appreciation for voting him in. Sadly, I think we're in for 4 more years of this now, and possibly many more until we get somebody who isn't part of the 2-headed-monster-machine running things.

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Quick fact.... none of these things will go away in 2009. Obama's administration will have free reign over all of them, and more I would imagine by 2012.

No..... Bush didn't start the fire, though he did everything he could do in his power to feed it.

Show me an Obama who puts a stop to it and you'll all have my appreciation for voting him in. Sadly, I think we're in for 4 more years of this now, and possibly many more until we get somebody who isn't part of the 2-headed-monster-machine running things.

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Well... yeah. That's the Number One reason those of us who were against this kind of shit were against it in the first place. Not because Bush might abuse it (that was a given), but because EVERYONE who follows will feel free to do the same, and worse. THAT is why you don't let that particular djinni out of the bottle, even if you think you have legitimate reasons for doing so, because you'll never get him all the way back in...

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THAT is why you don't let that particular djinni out of the bottle, even if you think you have legitimate reasons for doing so, because you'll never get him all the way back in...

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