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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Ok, we get it Story...


Youd be on the side of the jackboots taking the weapons from the ordinary citizens.

If we do come to a civil war, please wear a bright red coat and giant feathers so I can find you in the fray.

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
"Hardly. I'm just not gonna get bent outta shape because the paranoid elements and get-hard-lookin-at-a-big-gun types like you are loosing their toys."




Yeah, you go ahead and get bent.

Assclown.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

Storymark, I'm dismayed that the only freedoms you care to uphold are the freedoms that you are personally using at the moment.

Or... Are you willing to uphold even those?

Are there any freedoms you wouldn't sell to obtain the illusory eden called SAFETY?

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
He doesnt care. If the order came from on high to ignore the Constitution, hed do it.

He, like so many in law enforcement, believe that laws come from men, and "officials".

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

Frem, you've forgotten the obvious third option.

People who don't want you to have guns are generally afraid. Afraid of what someone with a gun might do to them. You've become so focused on 'the man' and his endless desire to do stuff to you, that you've forgotten about the climate of fear bred to control those on the bottom rungs of the ladder.

They want your guns because they've been told that if you have a gun, you'll do something crazy with it, maybe even kill them.

They are afraid of you.

--Anthony

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They are afraid of you.

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The image of a peaceful, responsible, competent gun owner isn't promoted a lot.

I'm a victim of this association myself.

It took me a while to recognize this instant association as wrong, and it always takes work to move beyond it when thinking about subjects like this.

Once I did, my opinions about gun control changed, as well.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,


Now, for some reason I can't understand, you sound as though you begrudge me these simple pleasures. I can't fathom why.

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I worry about you, Storymark, and I worry about your vote. I worry that you want to shrink or remove my guns because you don't see the importance of my 'fun' when you should be concerning yourself instead over the importance of my 'freedoms.'

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Originally posted by Storymark:

...as I said before, there are far more important things to worry about than your fun.

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Originally posted by rue:
"They want your guns because they've been told that if you have a gun, you'll do something crazy with it, maybe even kill them.

They are afraid of you."

Many people are afraid of people with guns - for several good reasons: drive-bys, car-jackings, mart-robberies ...


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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

Storymark, you apparently missed the last part of my post, which briefly dealt with the other benefit of gun ownership.

Unfortunately, I can't tell you about the dozens of times I killed people to protect my family. This is because, very thankfully, I never had to shoot anyone. I hope I never will. But these guns that put holes in aluminum cans also do quite a good job of putting holes in people.

Let us put aside that, though, for now. You said some things that bother me quite a bit.

1) "I'm not going to care if you have to step down to a smaller weapon, either."

What exactly do you consider a 'smaller weapon' and do you have any conception of how 'big' the weapons are that I described to you? Do you know anything about the firearms I own? Is it the 'size' of the weapon that troubles you, and if so, what 'size' is acceptable in your philosophy? I note with interest that we are no longer discussing 'assault' weapons but rather 'size.'



2) "as I said before, there are far more important things to worry about than your fun."

I agree that there are more things to worry about than my fun. I worry every day about my freedoms, and the freedoms of others. I worry that people will try to take away my freedoms so that they can have the illusion of safety.

I worry about historical fencers having their swords outlawed for the public good.

I worry about adults being told that they can't carry pocket folding knives, because they might spontaneously decide to cut someone's throat with it.

I worry about people being told that they can't have a car engine that has more than 100 horsepower, because anything higher than that is excessively powerful.

I worry about martial arts being outlawed, because some people use the techniques to beat up other people.

I worry about pornography being outlawed, because it might corrupt children, and because some men get addicted to those 36DD's.

I worry about violence in movies being outlawed, because some people get excited when watching it, and go out and hurt someone else.

I worry about big black dildos being outlawed, because someone beat someone else to death with one.

I worry about a world where the only way people can feel safe is to remove all the things that might hurt them.

I worry about you, Storymark, and I worry about your vote. I worry that you want to shrink or remove my guns because you don't see the importance of my 'fun' when you should be concerning yourself instead over the importance of my 'freedoms.'

Please don't let your fear empower you to take away my freedoms.

--Anthony



"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Originally posted by nvghostrider:
Funny. I keep hearing the whole thing about size compensation and phallic symbols but those arguments seem to be coming from people without a phallus or possibly who have "size" issues of their own.

Also funny, my AR15 (which stands for Armalite, the company that made the weapon, not "Assault Rifle") uses a .224 caliber bullet. It is one of the smallest calibers used for modern centerfire rifles. Other common small calibers are .17 (as big as a bb/pellet from most pellet guns)and .20. How much smaller do you want the gun to be. I think making guns bigger is more logical. It is much harder to conceal hunting rifle than it is to conceal a handgun. Centerfire handguns take larger caliber bullets than many rifles. They are just shorter with a slower burning powder.

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But for the record, Storymark, please explain to us what downsizing you'd like to see in our guns. An "assault weapon" is already, by definition, shorter than a regular hunting rifle or a main battle rifle. It's smaller by design, for use in close-quarters combat, such as door-to-door situations. So you want us to use something SMALLER, something EASIER to carry and conceal, something EASIER to carry a whole shitload of ammo for? Is that what you're looking for?

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But for the record, Storymark, please explain to us what downsizing you'd like to see in our guns. An "assault weapon" is already, by definition, shorter than a regular hunting rifle or a main battle rifle. It's smaller by design, for use in close-quarters combat, such as door-to-door situations. So you want us to use something SMALLER, something EASIER to carry and conceal, something EASIER to carry a whole shitload of ammo for? Is that what you're looking for?

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Jesus, I've said 3 times I meant handguns. Do you people read?

I know a lot of guys with AR's. And the first thing they all want to do is convert it to full-auto.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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I know a lot of guys with AR's. And the first thing they all want to do is convert it to full-auto.

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a weapon like that might be more usefull, but so would a tank. Why shouldn't they be street-legal, too?

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Me, I stand up for them even for my enemies, because those rights are UNIVERSAL or they're pointless.

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Originally posted by nvghostrider:


And banning "Assault Weapons" won't stop criminals from having them. Just the everyday person who will need to find alternate ways to defend himself from illicit and home made weapons.

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Cars are used to primarily transport people and things. That people die is incidental. Guns are used to shoot things. That people die is - rather the point. When I can drive a gun, I'll say you have an argument. Otherwise your analogy is fatally flawed.

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And banning "Assault Weapons" won't stop criminals from having them. Just the everyday person who will need to find alternate ways to defend himself from illicit and home made weapons.

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That might make a better argument if criminals tended to use assault weapons. But that's not the case.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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And banning "Assault Weapons" won't stop criminals from having them. Just the everyday person who will need to find alternate ways to defend himself from illicit and home made weapons.

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That might make a better argument if criminals tended to use assault weapons. But that's not the case.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Well, you haven't made ANY case. Criminals don't tend to use assault weapons, and ACTUAL assault weapons are by and large illegal for 99.9% of U.S. citizens, so *I* tend to not use them, either.

So what is your problem with them in the first place?

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