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Originally posted by Kwicko:
You seem almost surprised.

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What he wasn't expecting was that he was going to get totally steamrolled

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Originally posted by Hero:

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
You seem almost surprised.

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Would have been nice if during the election someone would have pointed out Obama's complete lack of a record or lack of specific plans in order to show that we didn't really know what he was going to do...

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
What surprises me most, is how surprised most people seem to be by what I thought was always completely understood..."It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

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And I am not very concerned about Rahmbo, since like Bolton before him, they have to give him a hi ranking post as a sop to AIPAC, but the one they gave him is where you generally shovel an incompetent lunatic (like Bolton, after his *humiliating* antics at the UN) that you're stuck with to appease folks who helped finance you.

So, lunatic that Rahmbo is, he's got a nice fancy title and a meaningless position that's also close enough to keep the leash TIGHT, and puts him where he can be watched 24-7, a wise move if you ask me.
(especially after Dov Zackheim)

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And I did mean Biden - he's a quite dangerous sort of man in the right cirumstances, with an intricate knowledge of how things work inside the beltway and enough shady contacts in and out of the alphabet soup goons to give anyone a little pause.

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And all the while projecting, and quite well actually, the fox mulder stupid-stare with a heaping helping of obfuscating stupidity, looking every bit as harmless as a dead possum and not half as bright.

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Trust me on this, Obama is the velvet glove, but Biden is the iron fist, and whoever he means to do unto won't ever see it comin till it's too late, if at all.

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I'm just *hoping* it's them neocon bastards instead of us, yanno ?

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
I, personally, think the Obama administration is very troublesome. It will be a miracle if they don't start world war three AND the next great depression.

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
I, personally, think the Obama administration is very troublesome. It will be a miracle if they don't start world war three AND the next great depression.

This isn't a partisan comment, just re-Rahm et al.

It's been my life experience that every president is worse than the last, all other issues aside, and this is shaping up to be no exception. I vote we eliminate the position.

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....and he NEVER knew anything bad about any of 'em. That takes real smarts.

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So smart, so damn smart that for the last 20 years he surrounded himself with the most vile of the Chicago cesspool dweller...:and he NEVER knew anything bad about any of 'em. That takes real smarts.

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Originally posted by rue:
Two caveats - I'm not a liberal, and I never thought Obama was, either.

But I'm appalled by his Interior and EPA appointments. :-(

He couldn't have done worse, and he should have done better.

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Dear Supporter:

As word of President-elect Obama's environmental team was being authoritatively leaked around town, one name jumped out at us - Lisa Jackson, until recently head of the New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection, was tapped to head EPA.

Anguished DEP employees (and a few who had resigned in disgust) urged us to put the word out about Jackson, including her -

Failure to tell parents or workers at the Kiddie Kollege day-care center for three months about mercury contamination in the former thermometer factory it was located in (kid you not);
Efforts that set water quality standards so low that aquatic life in the state's rivers and lakes would be poisoned - and that was according to the Bush administration, which also had to intervene to rescue New Jersey's crippled Superfund program; and
Suppression of science, politicized decision-making, and an embrace of secrecy (even invoking "executive privilege" to shield her meeting calendars from public view).

In short, her former staff at DEP would be the last to nominate her for promotion. The stories from DEP workers are eerily reminiscent of what we have been hearing from dispirited EPA staff during the Bush years. As one might imagine, our note of dissent on the Jackson pick is being drowned out by a chorus of happy talk. We will be urging the Senate and anyone else who seriously want to evaluate Ms. Jackson's record to talk to the parents of the Kiddie Kollege toddlers. I have a feeling that in the coming years, more than ever, PEER will be called upon to tell inconvenient truths. Please support this (presently) lonely mission

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
1. Clinton was appalling. Beyong any level of a US president probably since Truman. Anyone who is a willing participant to the slaughter of millions of innocent people is a monster. Nuff said.

2. You're assuming that Clinton wasn't steamrolled himself. Clinton during his first term had to compromise a lot. That was part of the deal that he struck with Perot. Perot pulled out of the race when clinton wouldn't bow to his demands, and he re-entered when Clinton finally caved. Clinton had to stick by this, because he needed Perot to run again in 1996, in order to win re-election.

3. As for Clintonistas. I'd rather have Al Capone. The clintonistas are southern mafia. They were into drug trafficking and killing long before they were into human trafficking and genocide. Personally, I'd take virtually anyone over them.

My audacity of hope is that Obama will see to is that he sabotages his own nominees so that they don't pass, and then put forth nominees more like the ones he would have chosen. It's probably the last hope. If this govt. comes in like this, it's another 4 years like the last 16.

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
You've been reading the lefty news, that's how you missed it.

Look up Rwanda Veto. Clinton instructed Madeline Albright to veto Kofi Annan's resolution which would create an exception to the ban on foreign intervention for nations wished to try to stop the rwandan genocide. This was with 15,000 dead. The resolution was written by Annan after two refugees fled to Gabon, and got in touch with the then low-level worker for the UN.

With 800,000 dead, fighting died down due to a lack of ammunition. Clinton flew in with 7 million guns, and fighting flared up again. When the dust settled, over eight million were dead, solidly erasing from the earth an entire ethnic group, race, and one of the world's oldest cultures, known to previous generations as the Watusi, the rulers of the kingdom of upper egypt, and probably the only surviving descendents of the ancient egyptians. Now a handful of them survive, scattered across the planet. Most are women kept as sex slaves by hutu assassins, and the half-hutu children of the multitude of rapes.

Also, take a minute to watch the video of militias lining up machine guns outside churches, and slaughtering the congregations during service. Or don't, spare yourself that.

Now, skip over to the Bosnia and Kosovo Mujahideens, and the weapons Clinton bought from Iran to sell to the Mujahideen, aka "Al Qaeda" to attack Croatia, our own allies, killing over 100,000 civilians. Oh, and it gets better: He smuggled the guns in using the US division of the UN arms embargo blockage preventing new weapons from entering the country. And the best part? The purpose of the war was to secure a strip of land for Bosnia to reach the sea so that the what would become the Kosovo pipeline project could be completed without paying duties to anyone. And who got the contract for that? Halliburton CEO and closest Clinton advisor Dick Cheney.

And when you're done, skip on over to rampant civilian targeting in Haiti, Kosovo, and Serbia, blockading food and medical supplies in Somalia, and random bombardments of Iraq to the other real biggie:

A complete blockade preventing all food and medical supplies from entering Iraq. Total casualty figures were put at a minimum of 1/2 a million children, and an unknown number of adults, but total adult casualties from the seige and bombing combined approach 700,000.

Now retreat to Arkansas, where you can find everyone in Bill Clinton's 2000 pardon list, a long line of cocaine traffickers, part of a large network in arkansas and texas that brought drugs in by plane, which filled the coffers and funded the Clinton political career. You'll find some dead children there, plenty of dead co-workers, sex-slaves, prostitutes, and the usual skullduggery of a subhuman mutant psychopath like Bill. But then, all of that is just well documented cases of charges against a man who, once president committed atrocities that well exceeded those of Pol Pot, himself also one of the ten most evil men to ever live.

Apologies to anyone who voted for him. Don't worry, the folks who voted for Bush feel sorry too. Myself, I find democracy de-humanizing because it forces us to be a party to the actions of people we select from a very short list, all of whom might be monsters.

Oops, left one part out: I used to work for the Perot guys, the deal with Perot was pretty well known. Perot didn't want to win. It was far more profitable for him to stay a govt. contractor. He hate G.H.W. Bush personally, and wanted him to lose. So, at some point, Perot himself was ahead in at least one poll, and Clinton was second. Polls showed that without Perot, Bush was ahead.

Perot went to Clinton and said "Here, I have a plan to fix the economy, implement it, and I'll stay in." Clinton said "I can win with or without you."

So, Perot dropped out. Come towards the election, Clinton is behind. He calls Perot back and says "Okay, I'll make the deal. You come back in, you can set up the economic plan and help build my economic team, but if it works, you have to run again in 1996"

So, Perot came back in, and Clinton walked into the White House with 39% of the popular vote, the lowest total since Wilson's 33%. Perot put a lot of his economic reforms into effect, the economy started to recover. 1997, after the re-election, Clinton fired all the Perot people, put in his own team, and ran a new economic policy much like the one we see under Bush.

Economic policies run on a two year lag. This is because The team of 2000 writes the plan for 2001, which isn't fully in effect until it has run its course, at the end of 2001. Add to that, presidents take office the year after the election, so Jan 1993, Perot people start constructing the 1994 budget, economy recovers in 1994-5, four years later there's hyper corruption, and 1998-9 things start to falter, 2000, everything crashes, second worst crash in history. Bush plan doesn't go into effect until 02-03, initially economic recovery, but it's more of this credit economy nonsense, borrow and spend. Second term, same thing, steal all the money, and crash it for Obama. In Obama's first two years, look for a serious economic collapse that he will get blamed for, that really won't be his fault.

Okay, that's a primer on Who these Clinton guys are, and this group of criminals, the clintonistas, who hang around them are, and what they're up to. Check out Clinton's donor list, and compare it with Bush's friends. What a pair. It's a match made in heaven. I maintain that in reality, it's one continuous administration with two faces.

Here's a scary thought: If I'm right, and Clinton:Bush are a team, then there has been a Clinton or a Bush in the administration since 1980. And this time will be little, if any, different. Ah, change *I* can believe in.

Pardon me if I'm a little cynical sometimes ;)

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