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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
He won, even if he dies - even if we, or the iraq government we're propping up, beat him to death now...

HE WON.

Look, all of us are talking it about it, aren't we ?
Hundreds, maybe even thousands, of Iraqis are shaking their shoes at Bush, and us for not having the sense to put him in prison instead of the oval office, his single, solitary and very public act inspired many people, exactly as he intended it to do.

And if we, or the Iraqi gov harm him now, we give him even more power, by martyring him and driving his own message all the deeper into that society.

HE GOT IT DONE.

Ponder *that* for a good long while, willya ?

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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But 3 lefts do.



Sorry... couldn't resist that one.

Mike

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It is harmful, I'm sorry you can't see that. It damages all of us alike.

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:

Would'nt it be a hoot now if people shared in his victory by throwing shoes onto the White House lawn.....


on the lawn, hanging from the fence, the trees, the secret service.... shoes everywhere

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A hoot from your perspective; crude, rude and disrespectful to the Office of the President from mine. Would it be a hoot if people tossed Rev Wright's hate-America videos on Obama's lawn too? Or how 'bout Professor Ayers leading off the Inauguration with a nice flag burning?. That'd be a hoot for sure.

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Originally posted by rue:
On a related note - RiverLove, I read your responses as formulated on these assumptions:
you love the country but hate the freedom.

Am I wrong ?

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Originally posted by rue:
"however your last post troubles me. ... the type of action you're talking/joking about now is juvenile and dis-respectful, not only to the Office of the President, but to those who gave their lives believing in him and the mission. It also dis-respects the millions of Americans who still are grateful to Bush for preventing any terror attacks since 9/11."

If I may note: dumping tea into the harbor was also disrespectful to the authorities, their supporters and believers, and the soldiers who died defending them.

And --- so what ? Disrespect is not a crime.

Why should it be an issue ?

Silence is consent.

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Originally posted by Riverlove:

If you were at a funeral for a cousin you never liked, you wouldn't stand up all of a sudden, interrupting the service, and shout out," Oh bullcrap, the guy was a jerk." I know you wouldn't.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Respect is for them that deserve it, man.

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Originally posted by Riverlove:
I doubt it, because you're not an animal.

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Originally posted by rue:


It's not at all equivalent to a funeral.

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Originally posted by Riverlove:

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:

Would'nt it be a hoot now if people shared in his victory by throwing shoes onto the White House lawn.....


on the lawn, hanging from the fence, the trees, the secret service.... shoes everywhere

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A hoot from your perspective; crude, rude and disrespectful to the Office of the President from mine. Would it be a hoot if people tossed Rev Wright's hate-America videos on Obama's lawn too? Or how 'bout Professor Ayers leading off the Inauguration with a nice flag burning?. That'd be a hoot for sure.

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Originally posted by rue:
I don't see how paying negative political tribute to Bush disrespects everyone else, that's all.

And, as a political figure, getting that flak is part of his job description.

It's not at all equivalent to a funeral.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
I see no reason why Iraqis should be required to respect their occupiers.

If we want to be feared, we shouldn't expect to be liked as well.

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Originally posted by Riverlove:

I guess you didn't notice or didn't care that his smelly shoes hit the American Flag.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:

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Originally posted by Riverlove:

I guess you didn't notice or didn't care that his smelly shoes hit the American Flag.

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Is this better?:




The laughing Chrisisall

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Originally posted by pizmobeach:

You sir, have just disrespected the office of Santa Claus!

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"Sock and Awe" pits players against President
Can you out-shoe al-Zaidi?

By Mike Smith

Shoe-wielding Iraqi journalist Muntadar al-Zaidi, who was catapulted to international prominence after throwing his shoes at President Bush during a press conference in Iraq, is now the star of the latest in viral Web games.

"Sock and Awe" -- named after the military doctrine employed in the US operation to remove Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq -- allows players to throw shoes at a figure of President Bush, as he ducks behind a podium.

Al-Zaidi missed both his attempts before being dragged off by Iraqi security forces, but players of "Sock and Awe" have a little more leeway -- you can keep slinging footwear for up to thirty seconds.

At the time of writing, the virtual President Bush has been struck in the face by 21 million shoes, the site indicates.


Sock and Awe also shows visitors a league table of "Bush-shoeing countries" -- and although the United States is number one, the top five also includes France, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates.

News of his new-found Web fame is unlikely to come as much comfort to al-Zaidi, who is reportedly facing up to two years in prison for disrespecting a foreign leader. Players of Sock and Awe are unlikely to meet the same fate.

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We occupied Germany & Japan for a few years too at one time. They came out of it pretty good, good enough to be democratic states now, and world economic leaders.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
RIVERLOVE

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We occupied Germany & Japan for a few years too at one time. They came out of it pretty good, good enough to be democratic states now, and world economic leaders.

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Do you recall the Marshall Plan?

After WWII, Europeans were slowly starving to death. Strikes and unrest gathered strength. Truman saw that peace depended on prosperity. So the Marshall Plan and the United Nations Relief and Rehabilitation Administration rebuilt European economies to pre-WWII levels. The USA also rebuilt Japan's economy to prewar levels, a fact not widely known. This has NOT been our history in Iraq, so don't expect the same results!

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Play it here!

http://sockandawe.com/

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Originally posted by Eric:

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Play it here!

http://sockandawe.com/

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Hey, there it is! The site wasn't working earlier- too busy probly. I scored a lucky 13. Note the US is the top Bush-shoeing country. USA! USA!

"Arguing against this crap is like explaining to a meth tweaker that the shadow people aren't real."
-Bob Cesca

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Originally posted by SignyM:
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We occupied Germany & Japan for a few years too at one time. They came out of it pretty good, good enough to be democratic states now, and world economic leaders.

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Do you recall the Marshall Plan?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan

After WWII, Europeans were slowly starving to death. Strikes and unrest gathered strength. Truman saw that peace depended on prosperity. So the Marshall Plan and the United Nations Relief and Rehabilitation Administration rebuilt European economies to pre-WWII levels. The USA also rebuilt Japan's economy to prewar levels, a fact not widely known. www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/time/cwr/91194.htm

This has NOT been our history in Iraq, so don't expect the same results!


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Let's party like its 1929.

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These things take time. You don't know, no one knows, the ultimate future of Iraq.

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Ok, then I think it was a vital effort both for humanitarian and political priorities for America to rebuild Europe in order to keep the Rooskies confined to what they already had grabbed after the war.

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White House press whore Dana Perino gets black eye

DANA PERINO: I don’t think that you can take one guy throwing his shoe as representative of the people of Iraq. And I will tell you that Prime Minister Maliki and the journalists who were there in the room, who apologized on behalf of the Iraqis, saying this is not how they would treat a guest.

QUESTION: But he wasn’t a guest. We’re occupiers.

PERINO: No, we’re not. We are absolutely a guest.


US troops escaped conviction for Haditha Massacre in Iraq
http://iraqsolidaritycampaign.blogspot.com/2006/06/how-many-my-lais-fe
licity-arbuthnot.html

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I understand from your 18,957 posts that you hate Bush.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Hell, for that much I'd pop the disconnect switch on the prosthetic and throw the whole LEG at his ass!

Now there's a funny visual, innit ?

-F

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